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post Feb 16 2013, 23:07
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Make it so Infusing staffs gives casting version of strikes on the main target. So if the weapon has a Fire Strike and a spell is cast on target B, target B will be hit by that spell and then a Fire Lash (Casting version of strike), the Lash of course improved by EDB and other factors like any other spell, but maybe having a spell damage mod of 0.5 or so

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post Feb 17 2013, 05:52
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Remove monster agitation. I don't think monsters need that damage buff to kill players anymore.

In addition, make resist/parry worse as their HP goes down. So basically resist/parry% * HP% = actual chance.
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post Feb 17 2013, 06:51
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Feb 16 2013, 22:52) *

In addition, make resist/parry worse as their HP goes down. So basically resist/parry% * HP% = actual chance.


Feels like if that happens the same will happen to players (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Feb 17 2013, 07:12
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QUOTE(fishinsea @ Feb 16 2013, 20:51) *

Feels like if that happens the same will happen to players (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

We have Cure and Regen.
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post Feb 17 2013, 07:22
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Player's HP is not full all the time.
On average player losts avoidance.

Which is even worse, player is very likely to be killed by a wave of attacks.
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post Feb 17 2013, 07:36
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QUOTE(HTTP/308 @ Feb 17 2013, 12:22) *

Player's HP is not full all the time.
On average player losts avoidance.

Which is even worse, player is very likely to be killed by a wave of attacks.


That's why we have spark.

Though tbh with chaos token upgrades player avoidance is already something of a joke (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Feb 18 2013, 19:03
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Feb 16 2013, 23:36) *

That's why we have spark.

Though tbh with chaos token upgrades player avoidance is already something of a joke (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

oh nice one... since we are applying everything equally to monsters and players where I can merge crystals and tokens with my player to boost his stats?

QUOTE(kserox @ Feb 16 2013, 09:20) *

Just move shield to the tier 1 then.


Yes that would be good..

Can we make a summary from the experienced players of what changes need to happen for balance to be accurate?

I am no expert but it seems to me that:
Katana to T1
Estoc to T3
Plate to T2
Shield to T1

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post Feb 18 2013, 19:11
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QUOTE(mrttao @ Feb 19 2013, 01:03) *

oh nice one... since we are applying everything equally to monsters and players where I can merge crystals and tokens with my player to boost his stats?
Yes that would be good..

Can we make a summary from the experienced players of what changes need to happen for balance to be accurate?

I am no expert but it seems to me that:
Katana to T1
Estoc to T3
Plate to T2
Shield to T1

Katana shouldn't be T1 because it is better than longsword and have special use.
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post Feb 18 2013, 19:22
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QUOTE(Colman @ Feb 18 2013, 19:11) *

Katana shouldn't be T1 because it is better than longsword and have special use.


Still shitty though... Let's move longswords to the T0 then? Along with leather and cotton.

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post Feb 18 2013, 22:22
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I think Arcane Focus should come with a Counter-resist bonus since accuracy was removed from the spell's effect, even though the mana cost is still the same. With a counter-resist bonus, then the game wouldn't be so cheap for mages to play.
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post Feb 18 2013, 22:57
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QUOTE(DYasha @ Feb 18 2013, 12:22) *

I think Arcane Focus should come with a Counter-resist bonus since accuracy was removed from the spell's effect, even though the mana cost is still the same. With a counter-resist bonus, then the game wouldn't be so cheap for mages to play.


Then Heartseeker gives counter-parry.
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post Feb 18 2013, 23:06
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My Ichy Mob should drop empty Beer Bottles (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Feb 19 2013, 02:19
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Spawns on rare (boss) and legendary monsters raised to somewhere above "totally fucking insignificant" with multipliers on appearance adjusted by difficulty level (about the same as rare equipment multiplier)

Legendaries should also appear randomly in GF and IW.

Level 200 IWs should always have a god or ultimate encounter, with a reduced chance to drop their trophy to make farming not as viable if necessary. Or have it drop an equipment piece (same quality as what the IW would normally yield every other round) instead of trophy.

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post Feb 19 2013, 03:34
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Legendaries should also appear randomly in GF and IW.

They already do.
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post Feb 19 2013, 03:50
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got to love how we all have different verbage

Currently only MBP class shows up in GF/IW, and Konata/Girls show up in Hourlies. Both of these are really low chance.

Bunker is suggesting Konata+ shows up in GF/IW, and for them to show up at a decent level
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post Feb 19 2013, 04:39
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Feb 19 2013, 08:50) *

got to love how we all have different verbage

Currently only MBP class shows up in GF/IW, and Konata/Girls show up in Hourlies. Both of these are really low chance.

Bunker is suggesting Konata+ shows up in GF/IW, and for them to show up at a decent level


And then their trophy value drops to shit.
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QUOTE(skillchip @ Feb 17 2013, 05:07) *

Make it so Infusing staffs gives casting version of strikes on the main target. So if the weapon has a Fire Strike and a spell is cast on target B, target B will be hit by that spell and then a Fire Lash (Casting version of strike), the Lash of course improved by EDB and other factors like any other spell, but maybe having a spell damage mod of 0.5 or so

How about adding a supportive skill work similarly? Allowing DW (dagger) with cloth armor fun to play.
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post Feb 19 2013, 05:45
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QUOTE(mrttao @ Feb 18 2013, 13:03) *

oh nice one... since we are applying everything equally to monsters and players where I can merge crystals and tokens with my player to boost his stats?
Yes that would be good..

Can we make a summary from the experienced players of what changes need to happen for balance to be accurate?

I am no expert but it seems to me that:
Katana to T1
Estoc to T3
Plate to T2
Shield to T1


You don't want that. T2 Plate maybe (you'd have to kill elemental resist plate though and move that to Shield to make Protection Plate not stupid rare). T3 Estoc is really not a good idea though. Yes, it's the most effective melee 2H weapon, but I don't think making every effective style require a specific, T3 weapon is good for the game. Heavy/Estoc style is the equalizer, it lets people without resources be at least moderately effective (and those with resources be very effective). You make Estoc T3, all you do is raise the resource bar for being effective in that style past 200 significantly, which is something this game doesn't need (it would be like requiring Destruction Katalox to mage at all). Holy/Dark mage prices are the exception, we shouldn't be trying to bring Heavy melee costs up to that point (and they are a;ready up there for the very best Ethereal Slaughter Estocs and Slaughter Power).

I very strongly do not subscribe to the school of thought that just because every other T1 item is shit, Plate should be too. It's not like pure Plate setups are shattering speed records, that requires Power armor.

T2 is a fine place for Estoc and Mace. Only problem is that it results in us having enough Longswords to equip a small army.
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post Feb 19 2013, 11:17
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Estoc is rarer than Katana.
Non-shit power slaughter is rarer than holy+dark phase.
And actually holy/dark/slaughter are all pretty cheap now, except the top ones.

Plate is OP thanks to the availability and higher chance of good rolls.
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post Feb 19 2013, 11:36
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QUOTE(HTTP/308 @ Feb 19 2013, 16:17) *

Estoc is rarer than Katana.
Non-shit power slaughter is rarer than holy+dark phase.
And actually holy/dark/slaughter are all pretty cheap now, except the top ones.

Plate is OP thanks to the availability and higher chance of good rolls.


That's the sole reason. Shield is way too rare to get good ones, and even then you get shafted by chaos token upgrades. PMI is the only part of defense untouched by anything.

I expect that to change sooner or later.
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