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Who said mages want survivability? Mages want their "high damage" to actually matter.
Your so-called "high damage" doesn't matter if it doesn't kill the mobs faster than they can kill you.

You say you have a mage set. Alright, show some proof that the damage of mages is equal to the survivability of melee. Show us a screenshot of you one-shotting a 9-monster round with at least 2 PL1000 monsters in the group.

Those are quite close:
[i.imgur.com] (IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/BmlfA0ys.jpg)
[i.imgur.com] (IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/NiMRbrts.jpg)

It's normal because i just switched into mage after this update nerfed melee so much. I only have 36 Forbidden proficiency and a lousy fenrir set which i bought for only 200k. It's not like everybody has millions of credits like you guys.
Staff: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=857f68263a
Hat: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6e87858479
Robe: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=fd35167dd4
Glove: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e1cc089e80
Pant: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=672115d63a
Shoes: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=41b9c91be5
[i.imgur.com] (IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/4wwEDS2s.jpg)



Anyway, it's not your problem if you're not insist for survivability. I was just trying to argue with those guys who keep asking for more evade/protection for phase armors while saying that melee has it too easy. I can't even go 60 rounds battletoad with my good heavy set. Now the spark of life keeps triggering every round because of the nerfed PMI. Melee already fight slow like a turtle but now can't survive like a turtle anymore.

.... This is a joke, right? Normal difficulty? Even mages can survive until about round 500 on Normal.
Or when you're saying "do you want Damage or Survivability, pick one", you're really saying "Do you want mage Damage for Normal difficulty or melee Survivability for IWBTH?

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Now the spark of life keeps triggering every round because of the nerfed PMI. Melee already fight slow like a turtle but now can't survive like a turtle anymore.

I've got news for you: If you think Light/Heavy die faster because of nerfed PMI, what do you think happened to mages who have already have low PMI and still got nerfed?

This post has been edited by Rei-Tenshi: Jan 24 2013, 22:06

.... This is a joke, right? Normal difficulty? Even mages can survive until about round 500 on Normal.
Or when you're saying "do you want Damage or Survivability, pick one", you're really saying "Do you want mage Damage for Normal difficulty or melee Survivability for IWBTH?

Read my post. I said i used Normal difficulty because i only have 36 Forbidden proficiency and a lousy fenrir set. I would have chosen higher difficulty if i have better gear and more proficiency. Give me some time.

Right, so when you said this:

You know what, i'm playing both melee and mage right now. I can test things on my own with 1 simple click to change gears.

You were actually testing things as a Mage on Normal and Melee on IWBTH. Okay. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

A little longer with descent Mana and Spirit Gem drops and a fair amount of Ether Theft ... er Tap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

If Normal difficulty handed out the same experience as BT or IWBTH, I would be rocking (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I just wish this silly stick didn't get heavier and heavier, every upgrade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

It's the same stick, I've carried forever now, you'd thought I gotten used to it by now and it would easier
to carry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Right, so when you said this:
You were actually testing things as a Mage on Normal and Melee on IWBTH. Okay. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Er, No. I don't play melee on IWBTH. I can't even go 20 rounds.

I tested my heavy set with estoc on normal and it took 4 hits to kill a PL 1000 monster. On NORMAL.

Er, No. I don't play melee on IWBTH. I can't even go 20 rounds.

I tested my heavy set with estoc on normal and it took 4 hits to kill a PL 1000 monster. On NORMAL.

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If you have no idea what the situation is at higher levels and higher difficulties, I suggest you don't spout your bullshit like "You guys both want Damage and Survivability yada yada choose one only yada yada".

And I hope you seriously don't believe that even if you have maxed Prof and magnificent Gear, you will suddenly be one-shotting monsters on higher difficulties.

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If you have no idea what the situation is at higher levels and higher difficulties, I suggest you don't spout your bullshit like "You guys both want Damage and Survivability yada yada choose one only yada yada".

And I hope you seriously don't believe that even if you have maxed Prof and magnificent Gear, you will suddenly be one-shotting monsters on higher difficulties.

Sure we can. We just need a round of nothing but mobs that are weak to our spell, and a Channeling to keep away resists. Not hard to set up at all! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Even the weirdo with Attuned through Knowledge and a OK heimdall set thinks his damage sucks ass (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Anyway, it's not your problem if you're not insist for survivability. I was just trying to argue with those guys who keep asking for more evade/protection for phase armors while saying that melee has it too easy. I can't even go 60 rounds battletoad with my good heavy set. Now the spark of life keeps triggering every round because of the nerfed PMI. Melee already fight slow like a turtle but now can't survive like a turtle anymore.

Full plate, fine demonic estoc, battletoads T&T, no spark procs, 7.5 minutes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I said i used Normal difficulty because i only have 36 Forbidden proficiency and a lousy fenrir set. I would have chosen higher difficulty if i have better gear and more proficiency.

Maybe you'll get to hard or heroic (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) 200 prof is only 2* damage

This post has been edited by fishinsea: Jan 24 2013, 23:52

Full plate, fine demonic estoc, battletoads T&T, no spark procs, 7.5 minutes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

How did you do it so fast ? That's like 5 seconds per round. I can only do Endgame battletoad in 8 minutes with full heavy slaughter.

How did you do it so fast ? That's like 5 seconds per round. I can only do Endgame battletoad in 8 minutes with full heavy slaughter.

One day (post patch) I found myself not lagging and decided to do a timed speed run with void shard and holy infusion and just held down number pad with the occasional cure. I'm sure I won't be able to do it again, more like 12-15 minutes with regular connection. Again, only plate armor because I main shade mace and didn't want to spend a lot on slaughter.

Then again, mages doing 15 minute IWBTH DwD is kinda depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by fishinsea: Jan 25 2013, 00:19

Melee has more skills unless it is niten

:awesomeface:

Melee has more skills unless it is niten

Niten all skill. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Sure we can. We just need a round of nothing but mobs that are weak to our spell, and a Channeling to keep away resists. Not hard to set up at all! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Not even then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

One day (post patch) I found myself not lagging and decided to do a timed speed run with void shard and holy infusion and just held down number pad with the occasional cure. I'm sure I won't be able to do it again, more like 12-15 minutes with regular connection. Again, only plate armor because I main shade mace and didn't want to spend a lot on slaughter.

Then again, mages doing 15 minute IWBTH DwD is kinda depressing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Mages haven't been able to do 15 minute IWBTH DwD ever since the HP got doubled.

At least, I think so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Niten all skill. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Speaking of niten skill... give its bleed 25% or have it match the katana

Mages haven't been able to do 15 minute IWBTH DwD ever since the HP got doubled.

At least, I think so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I hate everyone who can IWBTH at all (>_<) I can barely tolerate Hell, and that tends to rely on getting a good number of mana gems and channels.

@Tenb: I again plead for a daily blood token, or a slight increase in the chance of blood tokens in general.

I hate everyone who can IWBTH at all (>_<) I can barely tolerate Hell, and that tends to rely on getting a good number of mana gems and channels.

@Tenb: I again plead for a daily blood token, or a slight increase in the chance of blood tokens in general.

I can barely clear DwD on nightmare without ETing a fuckton (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by ChosenUno: Jan 25 2013, 02:20

I can barely clear DwD on nightmare without ETing a fuckton (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This reminds me that with the ET change, getting Dovahkiin now must be a nightmare. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)