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post Sep 11 2012, 20:32
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Oh my, I didn't realize...lol.

Bunker: Can't take a joke?

Anyhow, I was aware that you meant like how staffs have innates - but that was so horrible suggestion that I just brushed it aside.

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post Sep 11 2012, 20:46
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QUOTE(Lement @ Sep 11 2012, 20:32) *

Oh my, I didn't realize...lol.

Bunker: Can't take a joke?

Anyhow, I was aware that you meant like how staffs have innates - but that was so horrible suggestion that I just brushed it aside.

i only take jokes if they're good ones, sorry

how is it horrible for light armor to have built-in prof bonuses, by the way

do you have a hardon for a complete lack of character progression? there are other games i'd like to point out to you if that's the case

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post Sep 11 2012, 20:51
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Character progression is not buffing drops, it is advancing and changing character.

It is horrible because it makes another tier 2 armor that has proficiencies as the thing more useless.

How does this suggestion sound: Give Shield armor more PMI and make it add melee damage? Or give Kevlar elemental suffixes / elemental damage bonus?

Yes, you get better Kevlar drops, but that's because you're wearing gossamer underneath.
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post Sep 11 2012, 20:54
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QUOTE(Lement @ Sep 11 2012, 20:51) *

Character progression is not buffing drops, it is advancing and changing character.

It is horrible because it makes another tier 2 armor that has proficiencies as the thing more useless.

How does this suggestion sound: Give Shield armor more PMI and make it add melee damage? Or give Kevlar elemental suffixes / elemental damage bonus?

Yes, you get better Kevlar drops, but that's because you're wearing gossamer underneath.

i believe the goal was "make light armor more appealing considering that AGI is a cappable stat" and nobody assumed that prof bonuses would be as high as gossamer's (ideally they could be 1/3) but sure thing if you want loot to be even less interesting sure why not
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post Sep 11 2012, 21:01
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So, instead suggest making capped AGI more useful, like with high burden. Also makes game more interesting.
But you know, I'm pretty sure the formulas assume AGI is not capped. So letting it remain capped and buffing/obsoleting armor really just unbalances the game more.
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post Sep 11 2012, 21:07
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QUOTE(Lement @ Sep 11 2012, 21:01) *

So, instead suggest making capped AGI more useful, like with high burden. Also makes game more interesting.

Like replace it with a linear system which we have already discussed in length yet everyone else ("veterans") poo-pooed it.

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But you know, I'm pretty sure the formulas assume AGI is not capped.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Action_Speed

read it and weep, there's no point going above 500 with haste. tenboro's already said "no" to agi affecting action speed and I can understand why. but letting it have effectively no effect after a certain point insignificant token crit and evade boosts? pfbbbllt.

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post Sep 11 2012, 21:15
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I am aware that there is cap and that there is no point in going above 500.

However, I bet you that the game balance formulas don't assume player has 500 AGI.
So, in exchange for those levels who have their AGI capped not having to deal with that "handicap" - and keep in mind, this means that Eila and other high level monsters have their AGI capped too you unbalance T2 and T3 light armors on all levels until then.

Maybe boost the insignificant bonuses to not so insignificant past 500? Maybe get 1000 agi and free IA slot? There are other possibilities than boosting light armors or action speed.

And keep in mind, Cloth gets AGI too.

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post Sep 11 2012, 21:29
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QUOTE(Lement @ Sep 11 2012, 21:15) *

I am aware that there is cap and that there is no point in going above 500.

However, I bet you that the game balance formulas don't assume player has 500 AGI.
So, in exchange for those levels who have their AGI capped not having to deal with that "handicap" - and keep in mind, this means that Eila and other high level monsters have their AGI capped too you unbalance T2 and T3 light armors on all levels until then.

Maybe boost the insignificant bonuses to not so insignificant past 500? Maybe get 1000 agi and free IA slot? There are other possibilities than boosting light armors or action speed.

And keep in mind, Cloth gets AGI too.

thanks for finally going around to repeating what i said months ago!
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post Sep 11 2012, 21:33
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Glad that you know I know you know I know.

Do you understand why I said buffing Light Armors in general is not the way to mitigate it?
Yes? Good. Do you still think it is a good idea?
No? Bad.

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QUOTE(Lement @ Sep 11 2012, 21:33) *

Glad that you know I know you know I know.

Do you understand why I said buffing Light Armors in general is not the way to mitigate it?
Yes? Good. Do you still think it is a good idea?
No? Bad.

alternatively i should stop posting drunk
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post Sep 12 2012, 13:24
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QUOTE(Bunker Buster @ Sep 11 2012, 19:29) *

give light armor innate prof bonuses.

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shade: elemental + divine + forbidden + deprecative
by the way i posted this while drunk and rereading it this is not such a good idea oh ogoddd


Sounds weird, but somehow... interesting?
There is no Damage Absorb anyway now, so why not add something instead.

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post Sep 13 2012, 01:44
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Redo the descriptions for "leather" grademats so that they're describing human skin.
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post Sep 13 2012, 08:34
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Need more Spirit Potions and fewer Health ones. Like, a lot.
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post Sep 13 2012, 09:10
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Somebody may have asked for these before but:
1. It would be nice if having a higher forge level increased your odds of actually getting something from salvaging items.
2. If your forge level gets high enough, you could salvage from average or maybe even lower.
3. Please please make Tokens of Healing do something useful besides healing me. Or just get rid of them altogether, potions aren't all that rare in my experience.
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post Sep 13 2012, 09:27
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QUOTE(zaezod5 @ Sep 13 2012, 14:10) *

1. It would be nice if having a higher forge level increased your odds of actually getting something from salvaging items.
2. If your forge level gets high enough, you could salvage from average or maybe even lower.


I once thought about this idea. I quickly realized, however, that this can be exploited easily by a group of crafty players— like people in this board for example... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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3. Please please make Tokens of Healing do something useful besides healing me. Or just get rid of them altogether, potions aren't all that rare in my experience.


Please fasten your seatbelts and brace for impact...

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post Sep 13 2012, 09:47
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 13 2012, 15:27) *

Please fasten your seatbelts and brace for impact...


Well...that usually means token of healing removed from the game and token drop rate lowered.
Just like what happened to absorption (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Sep 13 2012, 10:02
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QUOTE(varst @ Sep 13 2012, 07:47) *
Well...that usually means token of healing removed from the game and token drop rate lowered.
Just like what happened to absorption (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

That's not how coercion works, you have to use expectations
Tenboro is such a nice guy, I'm sure he will not lower token drop rate!
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post Sep 13 2012, 10:54
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Tenboro is such a nice guy, I'm sure he will not lower token drop rate and post ponies to make up for it!


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post Sep 13 2012, 10:56
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Replace tokens of healing by tokens of ponies. Just don't ask me what those things does.
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:45
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turn in at shrine for approximately the same drop rate as a pony dropping from a regular monster
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