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Just a question, why were level Unassigned Equipment removed from the previous versions of HV?

Now, for a player with level <300 it's seriously difficult finding decent equipment, as we have to rely or on average Equips, or on old stuff from versions with Unassigned Equips if we're lucky enough to find it, since everything in the bazaar or that you can find to buy is on average level 350 or more, and relying on self drops is almost impossible.

Would it be possible to add back Unassigned equipment, maybe in smaller part not making everything drop as Unassigned, or maybe making everything in the Bazaar become Unassigned, so low leveled players can have choice again for equips?

Look through this thread, this is when it was introduced and there was a lot of discussion:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=178980

In short, adding level assignment to equips was pretty unpopular, and it did indeed make things a whole lot more difficult for newbies, but it's not the sort of thing that's going to be reverted. Bazaared averages are level unassigned, that's probably the best you can hope for.

Just a question, why were level Unassigned Equipment removed from the previous versions of HV?

Now, for a player with level <300 it's seriously difficult finding decent equipment, as we have to rely or on average Equips, or on old stuff from versions with Unassigned Equips if we're lucky enough to find it, since everything in the bazaar or that you can find to buy is on average level 350 or more, and relying on self drops is almost impossible.

Would it be possible to add back Unassigned equipment, maybe in smaller part not making everything drop as Unassigned, or maybe making everything in the Bazaar become Unassigned, so low leveled players can have choice again for equips?

Look through this thread, this is when it was introduced and there was a lot of discussion:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=178980

In short, adding level assignment to equips was pretty unpopular, and it did indeed make things a whole lot more difficult for newbies, but it's not the sort of thing that's going to be reverted. Bazaared averages are level unassigned, that's probably the best you can hope for.

iirc at the start Average had a level as well, situation is already better than how it started...

Look through this thread, this is when it was introduced and there was a lot of discussion:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=178980

In short, adding level assignment to equips was pretty unpopular, and it did indeed make things a whole lot more difficult for newbies, but it's not the sort of thing that's going to be reverted. Bazaared averages are level unassigned, that's probably the best you can hope for.

Yeah, i know it was pretty unpopular, and for a damn good reason.
Newbies have no options for Equipment, and that's bad.
In the future, when there are no Unassigned equips anymore, and newbies are going to have to resort to only average equipment until level ~300, new players aren't going to want to play that much anymore.
Like, with no decent equipment you can play only at low difficulty, and only with the half decent gear i managed to get thanks to Unassigned stuff i manage to play up to ~Nintendo consistently.

At least make ALL Bazaared equips level Unassigned (maybe except the ones you yourself put in the Bazaar, those are going to be Unassigned for other players but the same level from when you put them in it for yourself, to evade cheating on the level limit), not only the average ones, so newbies have a choice to get decent gear before level 300.
This is a legitimate suggestion to make, and surely possible to add.

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 8 2016, 21:43

Newbies have no options for Equipment

Good.

Good.

Good until level 100 max, not good after.
Not having decent equipment at level 200 is not smart.
Still not finding good equipment at level 300 is just stupid.
You just turn off the will to play of new players.

You just turn off the will to play of new players.

This isn't an MMO trying to make a profit. There is no incentive to make the game accessible or easy. All that does is devalue everything, especially credits.

This isn't an MMO trying to make a profit. There is no incentive to make the game accessible or easy. All that does is devalue everything, especially credits.

Yeah, but what is the point in making it this difficult for new players?
Why even make it if you don't want people to play it?
The only ones that are okay with how things are now are the old, high leveled players (like you), that didn't have any problem in the past (no level restrictions) and don't have any problem now in gear buying and finding.
I don't even really care for me, because i found most of what i need (like i already said).

This post has been edited by gianfrix94: Nov 9 2016, 00:10

The greater the player base, the more people there are who buy perks, the more people who run H@H, the more people who create credits, the more people who demand others' credits in exchange for HV stuff, etc. From the view of the "game" economy, I don't think it can be said conclusively to be a net loss. HV is already incredibly top-heavy; high level players have so many advantages. I don't see anything too wrong with the possibility of the initial curve being slightly less difficult.

Not that I'm saying anything should be done about level-assigned equipment, we all know that's here to stay.

Good until level 100 max, not good after.
Not having decent equipment at level 200 is not smart.
Still not finding good equipment at level 300 is just stupid.
You just turn off the will to play of new players.

For a player following the path of least resistance, between 250 and 300 is generally when a player should be using their hoarded soul fragments to buy Mag+ gears, which are plentiful enough and pretty cheap between 300 and 350. It's difficult before ~250 with only self-found junk and Averages to rely on, but things get much better shortly after that milestone.

but what is the point in making it this difficult for new players?

Those are where all the bots are. Gear isn't an issue if the monsters are easy anyhow (which they very much are at lower levels).

Those are where all the bots are. Gear isn't an issue if the monsters are easy anyhow (which they very much are at lower levels).

So new players have to play at retarded low difficulty without gear because of bots?
What difference do bots find if they have or not have gear, if, as you say, gear isn't an issue if monsters are easy?
Why cripple players between level 100 and 300 like this (i don't think bots even manage to get to level 100)?

So new players have to play at retarded low difficulty without gear because of bots?
What difference do bots find if they have or not have gear, if, as you say, gear isn't an issue if monsters are easy?
Why cripple players between level 100 and 300 like this (i don't think bots even manage to get to level 100)?

Leveling up at low levels isn't that hard after all.
Anyway, it's common in games to go with the updates aiming to higher levels, it's the endgame the appealing thing, not the lv 100 grinding.

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Nov 9 2016, 02:17

The only ones that are okay with how things are now are the old, high leveled players (like you), that didn't have any problem in the past (no level restrictions) and don't have any problem now in gear buying and finding.

mind you, old players had to struggle as well, back then - there was a back then when they struggled for everyone. somehow they are still struggling even now: being it to find a perfect IW, a perfect item, whatever. struggles are simply shifted to another place.
but sure as sure, it's old players that played the game, reported and negotiated with the admin what could've been made lighter for new players - non-assigned Averages and conditions are only two examples.
a certain higherup of both you and me went as far as playing himself the game from the start just to see where difficulties may have been in this current meta. please don't take us for crappy elitists. you'll understand this when you'll become a higherup yourself.

So new players have to play at retarded low difficulty without gear because of bots?

who said without gear? several time passed since i was a low-level, but afaik you can end the first Normal arena without too much of struggle even at lv1. most likely you'll drop something - you HAVE to drop something as clear bonus, and you'll equip it, whatever it is. another day, another arena, another equip. eventually you'll close a full set and gain access to the abilities of said set, and that's a (still little, but steadily growing) bonus. and so on, improvement after improvement. after a certain while your gears will become outleveled - time to trash them for some credits and replace with Averages from bazaar with the funds you hoarded until now. etc etc.
what's different from what happened many times in RL economy? purchase a broken thing, repair it, make a profit, purchase better tools to do even better repairs etc etc. alright, nowadays it's hard to do it again, but still...

What difference do bots find if they have or not have gear, if, as you say, gear isn't an issue if monsters are easy?

It makes farming at lower levels much harder, but it doesn't prevent play in general.

Increase the amount of mats salvaged from a Legendary one.
should be at least two mats salvaged...

mind you, old players had to struggle as well, back then - there was a back then when they struggled for everyone. somehow they are still struggling even now: being it to find a perfect IW, a perfect item, whatever. struggles are simply shifted to another place.
but sure as sure, it's old players that played the game, reported and negotiated with the admin what could've been made lighter for new players - non-assigned Averages and conditions are only two examples.
a certain higherup of both you and me went as far as playing himself the game from the start just to see where difficulties may have been in this current meta. please don't take us for crappy elitists. you'll understand this when you'll become a higherup yourself.
who said without gear? several time passed since i was a low-level, but afaik you can end the first Normal arena without too much of struggle even at lv1. most likely you'll drop something - you HAVE to drop something as clear bonus, and you'll equip it, whatever it is. another day, another arena, another equip. eventually you'll close a full set and gain access to the abilities of said set, and that's a (still little, but steadily growing) bonus. and so on, improvement after improvement. after a certain while your gears will become outleveled - time to trash them for some credits and replace with Averages from bazaar with the funds you hoarded until now. etc etc.
what's different from what happened many times in RL economy? purchase a broken thing, repair it, make a profit, purchase better tools to do even better repairs etc etc. alright, nowadays it's hard to do it again, but still...

Was able to put equipment together on the test account. Hard part was getting a full set without going to the bazaar. Was able to play on low/mid difficulties without too much trouble.

This post has been edited by skillchip: Nov 11 2016, 02:33

Was able to put equipment together on the test account. Hard part was getting a full set without going to the bazaar. Was able to play on low/mid difficulties without too much trouble.

while i thank you for your efforts and report sir, i'd also like to remember you that you already know a proper strategy to use, what to keep, what to sell and whatnot.
your results may surely be indicative of how easy/hard is to earn a full set by yourself, but not about the gameplay. the boost in difficulty used that in your case can be due to strategy, for newbies *may* be not possible without higher quality gears. something like that. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

while i thank you for your efforts and report sir, i'd also like to remember you that you already know a proper strategy to use, what to keep, what to sell and whatnot.
your results may surely be indicative of how easy/hard is to earn a full set by yourself, but not about the gameplay. the boost in difficulty used that in your case can be due to strategy, for newbies *may* be not possible without higher quality gears. something like that. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

I just did what I thought new players would do.

Punch thing
Buy a weapon
Try a few melee styles, settle on 2H due to killing multiple at once
Start buying armor if drops dont occur, trying to get a full set
Do randoms at highest difficulty possible, die sometimes
Do arenas as mid/low difficult, all hell or lower

Seems like getting a set together at that point is intended to be difficult and quick turnover expected. Gameplay was quicker even without the bonuses I had the first time around
Everything was self earned on that account of bought off the bazaar, not WTB/WTS

I just did what I thought new players would do.

Punch thing
Buy a weapon
Try a few melee styles, settle on 2H due to killing multiple at once
Start buying armor if drops dont occur, trying to get a full set
Do randoms at highest difficulty possible, die sometimes
Do arenas as mid/low difficult, all hell or lower

Seems like getting a set together at that point is intended to be difficult and quick turnover expected. Gameplay was quicker even without the bonuses I had the first time around
Everything was self earned on that account of bought off the bazaar, not WTB/WTS

uh, alright. well, 2H and purchasing from bazaar is what we usually suggest in ask the experts.

It's entertaining to read this thread.

I'm a fairly new player and I can say I've had no problem with gear, the main reason being: many high level players helped me with things.

My first set came from ArbiterErii, a complete Average set, I donated some equipments for him to help more players, I used this set until I hit Lv150, where...
Stulpen donated his old Exq. Power set to me, which I'm still using. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Scremaz & Jenga also helped me a lot, in other aspects.
I also almost made business with Piyin and I realized I was a fool, so thanks to him, saved myself 200k. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

The drops I get are amazing (or maybe normal, I get easily amazed), compared to what I've been reading around the threads.
I get 3-9 artifacts per day (sometimes literally zero...), when I was Lv ~150, I got my first peerless, sold it for a lot, bought new gear, new weapons, edibles, etc.

150-250k (maybe more on a lucky day) credits per day (including price of drops) seems like a fair amount, considering the amount of time I'm wasting in the game.

I honestly don't know if I was just plain lucky to recieve help from veterans but I'm glad I did, and as I read in the past (probably from Scremaz), there *should* be more experienced players helping newer ones.

You gotta lure them in, make 'em feel loved, then stop, wait until they hit Lv300 so they can realize this mini-game is now part of their life and that they will grind for the rest of their life... Or at least until they pay back all their debts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) dang it...


Edit:
@Gianfrix, I swear to God, although I don't believe in any... I swear to Arceus that I would help you with gear if I had any good ones, the current Power Set I have is already soulbound and the other Mag. Power Set is... Well, meant for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I also can't really help you with credits or money in general since Dear Lord, I'm probably in a tighter spot than you are, and not in the good way.
But if I happen to get any Exq/Mag Power armor, I'll send it to you, hitting Lv300 is fairly easy/quick, so don't worry about that, and I also read your WTB post, I don't think you should focus on Mag/Leg equipment, unless you're loaded? Exquisite is fine, half of my gear are Exquisites, and I'm doing great (stats-wise, Superlatanium said so... And I'm pretty sure he's extra smart (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) so I believe him).
Try to set a budget in your WTB post to not attract people that want to sell their gear for 1m+, which already happened.

This post has been edited by Chraunzen: Nov 14 2016, 02:38

as I read in the past (probably from Scremaz), there *should* be more experienced players helping newer ones.

me indeed. just to be clear i know pretty well that some kind users are helping newbies way more than me that i'm doing the splendid, so in that particular moment i was referring to the fact that more higherups should help people purchasing stars. i know for sure that many high-levels are simply looking at a counter raising, so why not using them wealth in an useful way? not that they can be forced, obviously.

I don't think you should focus on Mag/Leg equipment, unless you're loaded? Exquisite is fine, half of my gear are Exquisites, and I'm doing great (stats-wise, Superlatanium said so... And I'm pretty sure he's extra smart (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) so I believe him).

i'm still doing fine at lv400 with Mag armors, while i see many people levels below me who are already going for Legs only.