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If its stats bounded to a level at the first time equipped. Does it mean you need to change you gears when you level up? And how about forging?

Are we changing the way items scale with level? So rather than continuously scaling, it locks to the level when you equip it, so you have to be that level or above to wear it?

You go to 1H (Power) for achievement (clearing pfudorfest), but you go to mage for income.

I think you have to invest a huge amount in most mage elements for it to be better than 1H Power Slaughter. At least with everyone going 1H, mage gear is getting cheaper.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Jan 12 2015, 00:25

The equipment's level will fix its stats to that level.

Does that mean the equipments will no longer scale with level (level scaling), or is this going to be a new level-derived extra roll to the equipment stats?

This post has been edited by holy_demon: Jan 12 2015, 00:30

<tenboro> na, the old equipment will still be useful, at least until you've outgrown it
<tenboro> but on the bright side, it will be a lot easier to find some new, better equipment
<tenboro> you know, the standard mmo cycle of life
<tenboro> or circle of life, whatever
<tenboro> I am planning a mechanism to bind equipment to a person's level, for a cost, but that would also make the equipment bound
<tenboro> not sure if that will make it into 0.82 though
<tenboro> basically I want to give people the option to have either level-bound or player-bound equipment.. but switching to the latter will require some kind of very rare item
<tenboro> and yeah, people have been whining about not getting notable improvements through drops for ages
<tenboro> it won't be the same to bind to a player level and bind to an account
<tenboro> otherwise people could just salvage it to get it for free..
<tenboro> I hate stealing terms from wow, but it will probably be called soul binding or soul fusion or something like that
<tenboro> and you won't be locked out from using any of your gear, but equipping it will assign your level to it
<tenboro> anything dropped prior to the patch won't have a level until it gets equipped

Hopefully you allow some leeway to people who have been loaning gear to lower level players so that the loaned gear doesnt get locked to a low level. Maybe have it bind to the highest level player that equips it in a 2-4 week period?

That would be quite hard to code. It will bind to the level of the first person equipping it after the patch. You should probably get it back (or make it a sale) before then.

Are we changing the way items scale with level? So rather than continuously scaling, it locks to the level when you equip it, so you have to be that level or above to wear it?

If the item scaling not change and it just lock the minimum level to wear it, why mr.T said above things ^

Are we changing the way items scale with level? So rather than continuously scaling, it locks to the level when you equip it, so you have to be that level or above to wear it?
I think you have to invest a huge amount in most mage elements for it to be better than 1H Power Slaughter. At least with everyone going 1H, mage gear is getting cheaper.

With level 400+ and a bit of forging, it's easy to clear IWBTH IW and PFUDOR arena faster than 1H.

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<tenboro> na, the old equipment will still be useful, at least until you've outgrown it
<tenboro> but on the bright side, it will be a lot easier to find some new, better equipment

Does that mean the equipments will no longer scale with level (level scaling),

That's kind of the impression I get. If you have Peerless or LMax gear, then how are you supposed to outgrow it if it continues to scale with level? If stats become fixed to your level when the patch goes live, you will eventually get to the point where you're finding non-LMax gear that has better effective stats than your old Peerless, and hence be compelled to find something new.

or is this going to be a new level-derived extra roll to the equipment stats?

Couldn't the current level scaling formula still be used to determine an equipment's effective stats the instance that it drops or is first equipped?


Assuming that stats no longer scale as you level, it seems that the only person who will get to care about max stat rolls and max forging will be dani. For everyone else the focus will shift to "this shit doesn't have max rolls but the stats are still higher than my current gear, so I'll use it until I find something better".

I'm also pessimistic about just how easy it will be to upgrade an equipment set. You have to land the right type, tier, prefix, and suffix; and, hope that the stats are better. Then deal with potencies. For all six slots. And I'm not sure where forging fits into things. I suppose the Shrine may play a role with regards to getting equipment of the correct type, but it still doesn't seem fun when I think about everything else.

As a different suggestion (and if this hasn't been touched upon already), expanding the Forge Upgrade system so that there's a branch of upgrades that can increase the proc chances of equipment, particularly weapons (Bleeding Wound, Stunned, Domino Strike, etc.)

I'm also pessimistic about just how easy it will be to upgrade an equipment set. You have to land the right type, tier, prefix, and suffix; and, hope that the stats are better. Then deal with potencies. For all six slots. And I'm not sure where forging fits into things. I suppose the Shrine may play a role with regards to getting equipment of the correct type, but it still doesn't seem fun when I think about everything else.

I'm pessimistic about these new game mechanics, too.

Looks like they'll just make it easier and faster for stuff to become useless so that you'll be forced to switch it more often, rather than making stuff more useful so that you'll feel more inclined to change it.

And your currently useful (or barely useful) gear will automatically be "upgraded" to the new useless version, too.

Forcing people to change something isn't the same as giving them better options, it's quite the opposite.

I have been the only one actively buying trophies but i can imagine the disappointment if several people were to share the trophies sold by other players. It would take a lot of time to each of them just to get something worthwhile.

consider you're giving us low/mid-level players the chance to earn some credits. you're something like a benefactor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Give a random prefix. If the gear already have prefix, there will have no effect (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif). This also allow crude item to have prefix (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

this will make my prefixed average basically meaningless! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

A level 200 player won't be able to use gear dropped by a level 400 player, no.

here goes FS then. and shoprunners too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

And the Free Shop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

ditto.

I'm already prepared (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

you upgraded your shield since last time or is it only my impression? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

If this change goes through, it will be interesting to see how it would affect the Auctions, WTS and WTB users. And FreeSHop will definitely have more problems to worry about (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

as if we need others apart those we already have... -.-"

Don't nerf player lower than Lv500 pls.
We need to unequip all and earn dawn until 500,then we can start to equip and upgrade and exchange equipment?

Stuff trade market is ALL communication of HV,don't kill this pls,you need to make its become better.
If future version become high limit single game,that too bad.

i understood only partially what tenb wants to do but i think this is a good suggestion.

It's not like we can level up once per week (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) .
It will kill the market though. And credits will just for training in the future.

Lower level players (in 300~350 range) have no reason to play school girl arena as the rich players will not buy low level Peerless/Legendary items.

Low to mid level player can never use tier-2 armor as they have no way to collect a full set (or even a single piece).

FreeSHop will become a FreePotionSHop.

aye-aye

Equipment not scaling + level restriction, both at the same time. This is gonna suck.



This post has been edited by Dan31: Jan 12 2015, 03:57

A level 200 player won't be able to use gear dropped by a level 400 player, no.

Screw the world!... The world is screwed!

Anyway my shop was never going to reach 2000 posts...

10B-sama: this means that FS is doomed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

It looks like HV is starting to get the same issues that Diablo 3 had: the Auction House is so efficient that the only way to balance drops is to lower the chance such that no one gets things they can use.

Hopefully there can be some compromise between a few random people hitting jackpots, and every one getting legendaries dropping like flies.

I just hope my impression is wrong and level scaling remains. I'm happy with my current equipment and don't want to be forced to replace it just because I've leveled up too much. Of course I could always keep using the same equipment, but the game would become more difficult bit by bit because monsters will probably continue to scale. I don't really care about the level restrictions though, but it will probably make trading difficult which might not be good for the community.

There are just too many variables that have to line up for a high-turnover equipment system. I can count the number of X Tempestuous Redwood Staffs of Destruction/Freyr that I've found myself in the last 6 months on one hand. And I shouldn't have to mention that the X doesn't stand for Magnificent nor Legendary, and certainly not Peerless. And then potencies: Remember how fun it was to land your desired 5/4 potency combination on your ethereal rapier and then topping it off with Holy or Dark Strike? Who really wants to go through that hell more than once? Forging is a little more palatable because the return on Salvaging is pretty generous. Depending on how quick the equipment turnover is, it might not be worth going more than ~30 upgrades on each piece, but then you still have to pay for the catalysts, which is a lot for some people; these people will also be impacted doubly because the price of materials will go up.


New goal: Get to level 500 before 0.82. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Not only the Free Shop, I'm fearing it will be also much more complicated to sell equipment.

Depends how much stuff you've already hoarded.

Whether shrine equipment will have a level from the get-go or get assigned a level on first equip, I haven't decided, but due to their nature I might go for the latter.
That would be quite hard to code. It will bind to the level of the first person equipping it after the patch. You should probably get it back (or make it a sale) before then.
See above. There's some other stuff you'll have to redo after the patch as well (like primary stat assignments), so most likely everything will be unequipped.

<tenboro> na, the old equipment will still be useful, at least until you've outgrown it
<tenboro> but on the bright side, it will be a lot easier to find some new, better equipment
<tenboro> you know, the standard mmo cycle of life
<tenboro> or circle of life, whatever
<tenboro> I am planning a mechanism to bind equipment to a person's level, for a cost, but that would also make the equipment bound
<tenboro> not sure if that will make it into 0.82 though
<tenboro> basically I want to give people the option to have either level-bound or player-bound equipment.. but switching to the latter will require some kind of very rare item
<tenboro> and yeah, people have been whining about not getting notable improvements through drops for ages
<tenboro> it won't be the same to bind to a player level and bind to an account
<tenboro> otherwise people could just salvage it to get it for free..
<tenboro> I hate stealing terms from wow, but it will probably be called soul binding or soul fusion or something like that
<tenboro> and you won't be locked out from using any of your gear, but equipping it will assign your level to it
<tenboro> anything dropped prior to the patch won't have a level until it gets equipped

Screw the world!... The world is screwed!

Anyway my shop was never going to reach 2000 posts...

10B-sama: this means that FS is doomed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

If I read 10B message correctly, I think the equipment drop by high level players is still usable by low level players before anyone equip it. It will force players to switch equipment like the old version though. IW will become completely useless for all of the lv400- players if the length of IW do not greatly shorten. Perhaps IW mechanism will be changed as well.

BTW, how rare is the soul stone? as rare as artifact?

This post has been edited by Colman: Jan 12 2015, 04:28

New goal: Get to level 500 before 0.82. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

It maybe the only way to keep your endgame gear alive (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

or you have another choice: leave your endgame gear in storage and grind hard for a long long time

Finally you get to level 500, ok, happy to enjoy your endgame gear you have stored 5 years ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

RIP freeshop.... RIP auction.... We got a pure Single User Game now? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

It maybe the only way to keep your endgame gear alive (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

or you have another choice: leave your endgame gear in storage and grind hard for a long long time

Finally you get to level 500, ok, happy to enjoy your endgame gear you have stored 5 years ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Then, the level cap will become 1000 and the leveling become very easy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Hello Tenboro,

Could you please consider moving the tooltip shown in the Item Shop Bot tab when hovering the mouse cursor onto the items to the right side of the display pane, so that the tooltip doesn't block the UI on the left? Thank you very much!

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Oh, come on guys. HV needs some change. I might even play again if it becomes more fun. Right now, after level 350 there's little to do.