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As a brief aside, thanks for restoring the old gallery that was well received until just now. Not my cup of tea, but the community at large seemed to like that gallery.

In my deepest part, we all know and hope that one day we'll just can go back to our glory day, when all of this have not happen yet. When we still unite as one. I just still hope....

WE (the all of us "we") also need some form of legitimate "hentai" business enterprise to flourish in order to protect free speech rights. In this day and age, our rights to express ourselves keeps on declining and being reduced. SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the US) decades ago in a precedent-setting ruling made it clear that there is more protection to preserve something that is being successfully utilized than something which is and remains unused and of no real impact for prior decades. With legitimate hentai businesses utilizing the full range of free speech, this helps set up a legal bulwark to defend those rights against the day that anti-hentai try once again.

Seeing lots of piracy debate. I recall this study. [archive.is] http://archive.is/0tlWK The one the EU withheld because it found piracy boosted sales of all media except for blockbuster movies. I'd imagine the explanation for the discrepancy is that blockbuster movies already have the biggest advertising there is. This of course, doesn't cover cartoon porno, but it would be weird for this particular industry to differ when all other media got a boost, save for that which was already having millions of dollars poured into advertising.

The thread has been good so far!

What have you been releasing anyway?
The content already available at hentai cafe? In an attempt to cut the grass beneath the feet of those who share your releases against all odds?

I may be wrong, but all I see there is a calculated attempt to use e-hentai against the websites that actually share the things for free, as you did a long time ago.

This post has been edited by JnTo: Jul 28 2020, 01:13

I know I'm a 0 post nobody that's late to the party, but I still want to throw my two cents in.

If you want someone to pay for this type of thing(porn), it's more about the service/platform and less about the product(at least for me personally. I know there's people out there that worship pornstars and porn artists lol). There's such a massive amount of easily accessible porn on the internet that I could jack off 24/7 for the rest of my life and not even make a dent in how much porn there is.

The way you get me to pay for something so readily available is providing a better experience than what I'm used to. Uncensored content is great, but it's not a deal maker. The Fakku website is honestly awful. I don't know if I'm just spoiled by e-hentai's robust tagging system, but trying to find anything more specific on the Fakku website is a challenge. There's also no download option, so even though I'm paying for something I'm still beholden to my ISP and your servers. Even Steam has an offline mode.

I'm also just more likely to pay for physical objects I can hold and smell(weird I know, but nothing beats that new magazine/book smell), and not merely access to digital copies. I know Fakku does physical releases from time to time, but the premium cost and limited runs while understandable, are usually too much for me to justify unless I REALLY like the artist.

As things stand, I'm more than content pirating porn. I'm not acting like Robin hood or whatever, but I just think there's a gap in what I'm willing to pay and what you/artists are willing/able to sell for. For example, if I paid even just $5 for every Doujin/manja I've jacked off to in my life, I'd be in like $30,000 of debt lol. I'm barely willing to pay that for a car I'll use daily for 5-10 years, I'm definitely not paying that much for porn.

I will end with noting that I was firmly in the "F##K FAKKU!" group, but reading your posts in this thread swayed me towards the middle. I'm not ready to pay you(in fact, I wish most artists just had a tip jar I could directly drop a $5 or a $10 into after a good jack lol) but I don't hate you or think you're the boegyman. You're just a little inept when it comes to PR and website design.


P.S. I wrote this as a stream of consciousness, so please forgive me if it's not the clearest or most concise thing you've read before lol. Now back to years of lurking I shall go.

P.P.S.
I will try to be more vocal in the future if I see something that's obvious bullshit though, us super lurkers shouldn't let the 1% of users that type the loudest think they speak for all of us.

This post has been edited by Foojack100: Jul 28 2020, 02:47

For what it is worth, my opinion of FAKKU has deteriorated over the past few years due to the takedowns. The recent events have improved somewhat, even though the galleries are gone. But it is encouraging that FAKKU is willing to engage us here in discussion rather than sending takedowns.

Hopefully, things will get better rather than worse.

The Fakku website is honestly awful. I don't know if I'm just spoiled by e-hentai's robust tagging system, but trying to find anything more specific on the Fakku website is a challenge.

We're currently working on the design and expanding our IT team. To give context, during our first 6 years our focus was on the product itself, and expanding the production team to meet the demand. Right now we're localizing more content than we get in, to the point where we're working on backlog issues on the side. This has allowed us to turn our attention to other aspects of the business, and I imagine once we get a proper overhaul of the website foundation, you'll see new features roll out more frequently.

There's also no download option, so even though I'm paying for something I'm still beholden to my ISP and your servers. Even Steam has an offline mode.

There is for anything you purchase. Also our downloads are completely DRM-free, unlike Steam which in itself is DRM. Library services rarely offer downloads, since they need to confirm that you're an active member before giving you access to the product.

I know Fakku does physical releases from time to time, but the premium cost and limited runs while understandable, are usually too much for me to justify unless I REALLY like the artist.

Are you talking about the doujinshi boxes we do once a year for Anime Expo? Because otherwise we don't really do limited runs for our books. As for the cost, it is a premium product. Twice the size as your typical non-h manga release, and among the highest print quality in the industry. We mimicked the quality of the most premium publisher in Japan, so many of our releases are better quality than the Japanese counterparts from other publishers.

Unfortunately there are also a lot of hidden fees and sometimes downright penalties we have to pay for working with adult content, so a hentai book is never going to be as cheap as a volume of Naruto. There are things we could do to press down the price, but that would result in an inferior product. Regular manga is priced the way it is so that kids can convince their mom to buy them a volume, but our audience is strictly adults. It'd be an interesting experiment, but I don't know how many people would pick a budget release when they can get something much nicer for just a few extra dollars.

in fact, I wish most artists just had a tip jar I could directly drop a $5 or a $10 into after a good jack lol

If you're willing to do that, I'd suggest buying a book or doujin so that everyone involved is compensated. The content is a collaborative effort between the artist, publisher, and—in the case of an English release—the localizer. You can buy the Japanese release if you want to cut us out, but note that the artist gets a bigger slice of the pie from our book sales. Even more so with doujinshi releases, where most of the profit goes directly to the artist. That way you also get a digital copy that is yours to keep (and can be downloaded) to go with your tip.

P.P.S. I will try to be more vocal in the future if I see something that's obvious bullshit though, us super lurkers shouldn't let the 1% of users that type the loudest think they speak for all of us.

I appreciate it. And I hope you see my reply for what it is (me addressing your concerns), and not some kinda attack. You seem reasonable, but I have to clarify as I'm used to dealing with people who are less so.

For what it is worth, my opinion of FAKKU has deteriorated over the past few years due to the takedowns.

We haven't changed anything in regards to our stance on takedowns (we remove direct rips of our content), so I'm not sure what this is referring to.

We haven't changed anything in regards to our stance on takedowns (we remove direct rips of our content), so I'm not sure what this is referring to.

Fakku is pretty much the hentai boegeyman, so whenever Wani, Irodori, enshodo etc DMCA something everyone believes fakku had something to do with it lol. I hope they’re at least appreciative that fakku takes almost all of the flak for them.

And I do appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. I didn’t know Fakku had a download option, it has been quite a long time since I’ve seriously used the site. And I know physical releases are a pipe dream, and might always be a pipe dream. It’s really a rough situation as anime and hentai in general become more mainstream.

I do think something that could keep everyone happy is artists moving to a patreon type system where you get early access, discord features, concept art, voting on ideas etc, but the core content(doujins/manga) gets released for free eventually. The people that actually pay for porn and want to support the artists get to do so(and get special perks and privileges) and the trolls and pirates that flat out refuse to pay no matter what still get the core content eventually(well, they still get it now, it’s just not on e-hentai because e-hentai is an easy target).

This system works very well in the fledgling hentai game market. This is very anecdotal, but I actually know someone making a choose your own adventure porn visual novel type thing on patreon. He uploads old builds of his game to pirate sites because the horniest dudes always end up paying the $5-10 a month for early access and his discord so they can try to sway development in the direction they want. And pirates seem happy enough waiting a week or two for him to upload a new out of date build lol, I guess if they get the content eventually they don’t go out of their way to hate you and make complete site rips.

And I think another thing you should let people know is how anal Japanese people can be about things like piracy and even just modding their own electronics. They REALLY dislike doing things in ways you’re not supposed to, I got to know some cool Japanese dudes while playing Monster Hunter World and they definitely think about some things differently than Americans do.

P.s. I am going to be on the lookout for upgrades to the Fakku site now, the e-hentai tagging system is a pretty high bar but I think it could be exceeded if you keep the netori and netorase tags separate instead of lumping everything under netorare like they do here lol

This post has been edited by Foojack100: Jul 28 2020, 11:56

In fact, I would encourage you to reach out to an artist you like and offer to do exactly that. That's basically what we do, and while we have a successful company behind us that adds a lot of legitimacy to it, we have partners on the site that are just a single guy or a small group working with or or two artists to put up a handful of releases. If you don't want to complicate things by turning it into a business, I imagine we could possibly handle that part of it and just send the revenue share to the artist directly—if you want to sell it on our site. And before anyone comes in calling me greedy: go ahead and take your share, but then you have to set up a proper company on your end first. If you do, you can sell it on whatever platform you want. Hell, as long as you get the artist's blessing, you could even post your releases on here with a link to the storefront if you think that's a good approach. I can't speak for other platforms, but I'm pretty sure we don't ask for any store exclusivity for third party vendors.

I've actually thought a lot about doing this, but given that I don't know Japanese, have a business, or even good will from the artists, I don't feel that this is a solution I can do. I'd much rather that the artists just go to Fakku and sell on there so I don't even have to make illicit versions. I just want them to be accessible and uncensored. Sometimes the creators get really awful translations made and published on Fakku (I'm looking at you, F_TSF) and I'm frustrated about this prisoner's dilemma situation between translators and artists.

We haven't changed anything in regards to our stance on takedowns (we remove direct rips of our content), so I'm not sure what this is referring to.

I understand your position but for example, doujin-moe doesn't issue takedowns, and they have been uploading their content here for a long time. I'd rather support their business model than yours.

And the fact that they are still in business despite a lot of their stuff being mirrored here suggests it works...

Fakku is pretty much the hentai boegeyman, so whenever Wani, Irodori, enshodo etc DMCA something everyone believes fakku had something to do with it lol. I hope they’re at least appreciative that fakku takes almost all of the flak for them.

Good point, I don't think FAKKU ever issued takedowns for fan translations or raws (correct me if I am wrong).

It's hard to measure, particularly since those others are not part of the discussion. I think they'd get even more flames if they posted here. And as I said, the fact that FAKKU has tried to mellow their approach recently should get them a bunch of brownie points, even if they are a bit hard to see due to some above-average level of trolling in the comments.

I understand your position but for example, doujin-moe doesn't issue takedowns, and they have been uploading their content here for a long time. I'd rather support their business model than yours.

Probably because DM is an overglorified scan group that paywalls translations of other scan groups.
I'm sure they wish they could issue takedowns.

And I know physical releases are a pipe dream, and might always be a pipe dream.

What do you mean? We release a new book every two weeks, all of which have physical releases. The FAKKU and KUMA titles [www.fakku.net] listed here have physical releases.

If you're talking about magazines, that's sadly not feasible; here's what I've said on the topic in the past:

Magazines in Japan are printed on very low quality paper, which is why they can get away with selling something with twice the page count for 40-80% of the prize of a regular book. They're meant to be easily used and then disposed of. We don't really have this option since our printing situation is very different than in Japan. Our books match some of the highest quality prints in Japan, so keeping it the same would likely balloon the cost of a single magazine to ~$50. A lot of changes would need to be made in order to make physical magazines financially viable (for us and our customers).

I do think something that could keep everyone happy is artists moving to a patreon type system where you get early access, discord features, concept art, voting on ideas etc, but the core content(doujins/manga) gets released for free eventually.

The people who actually pay for porn and want to support the artists already get this by buying the product, and a few perks/timed exclusivity is a poor trade off. I think you're mainly appealing to pirates with this system, and that's a pretty poor business strategy.

I've actually thought a lot about doing this, but given that I don't know Japanese, have a business, or even good will from the artists, I don't feel that this is a solution I can do.

If you're doing scanlations in some capacity, you clearly have the means to do it. Yes, it requires work to put together an official release, but that's the way to garner good will from the artists. Show that you respect them enough to where you think they deserve compensation for their work, and you'll get plenty of respect in return.

I understand your position but for example, doujin-moe doesn't issue takedowns, and they have been uploading their content here for a long time. I'd rather support their business model than yours.

I might be mistaken here, but I'm pretty sure they've tried in the past, so I think they would if they could. The reason they can't issue takedowns is because their entire business is based around selling scanlations. I've had to contact them on several occasions in the past, asking them to remove my freely available scanlations from their paywall section. While they commission some stuff on their own (content they still don't have any rights to, obviously), they have a history of also taking other groups' works and charging a premium for them. All while pocketing all the profits and not paying the content creators in Japan.

I'd say half the scummy things people incorrectly accuse FAKKU of doing, DM actually does, so I hope that statement is based in ignorance and you wouldn't actually support a site selling pirated content.

I understand your position but for example, doujin-moe doesn't issue takedowns, and they have been uploading their content here for a long time.

Doujin-moe has absolutely tried to get their paywalled content removed from EH, but EH ignores them completely because DM does not own any rights to the content on their site as they're just as much of a pirate site as EH is, except that they also have a paywall on top of that.

And it's a lot easier to "keep a business going" when you're not paying the original creators anything to properly license their content.

Also, hi all. It's certainly been a while since posting here, so for anyone unfamiliar with me, I'm Daiz and I also do work for Fakku. More specifically, I'm the person in charge of digital distribution quality (I've built the image processing pipeline) as well as the comic reader and video player used on the site. I figured I'd chime in here to comment on some things that have come up.

On Fakku's reputation

The flip side of that though is you do little to stop or dispel [the fakku hate train]

I certainly agree that more of an effort could be made in this regard rather than just having some involved people posting on the matter on their own free time... but at the same time, I do have to say that it's probably almost impossible to extinguish all the misinformation completely. As long as you address one thing, the rapid conspiracy theorists have come up with more. Like just the other day I saw a post where someone claimed that "fakku shills get paid in discount coupons!" - naturally, the poster had no proof whatsoever both for a) the existence of "fakku shills" B) that they get "paid in discount coupons". Like, Fakku doesn't even have a single dedicated PR person, so the whole idea of there being an army of shills (ie. people being paid to promote Fakku without disclosing the fact) is just ridiculous. But of course, in the eyes of haters, there couldn't possibly be people out there that actually like Fakku as a company, so any such person must thus obviously be a "shill". Also, being "paid" in discount coupons alone would be a rather miserly pay if you ask me...

Anyway, some other person replied back to this outlandish claim with "fakku doesn't even have coupons". Now, said person was wrong - Fakku does in fact have the capability for discount coupons, though it's certainly something that's easy to miss as it doesn't come up until you reach the checkout page for buying something. Regardless, it's not something that's particularly hard to verify, though it was pretty funny how the the original poster fired back with a tweet from 2018 featuring a discount code rather than just, y'know, taking a screenshot of the checkout page. Regardless, they certainly proved that Fakku does have discount codes, but then they also act like the mere existence of coupons is sufficient proof for the original claim even though in reality that's obviously not the case at all and they still have exactly zero evidence for their original claim.

And the sad truth is that this case isn't even unique. That's pretty much the vast majority of shit that gets thrown around regarding Fakku. Somebody just makes shit up with zero evidence and everyone else takes it as fact because as everybody knows actual facts only get in the way of a good hate session. Like, not long after someone literally wrote "I can confirm that Daiz hates e-hentai" which, like, dude, what are you smoking? If you want my actual opinion on EH, it's not like I'm that hard to reach on eg. Twitter to actually ask about it? And why would I hate one of the few scanlation aggregators that actually respects DMCA takedowns? Not to mention that as far as English audiences are concerned, even with the decently sized legal market today, there is still a metric ton of content out there that's not licensed and a lot that will most likely never be licensed for an official English release. I would hate to see all that just disappear. Though I do understand artists also being upset about JP raws being shared considering the site's large Japanese audience. As YQII said, it's complicated.

Anyway, I could go on with examples on this all day, but for this specific section I'll end with an often-brought-up point regarding HentaiHaven and how Fakku supposedly "fucked them over", when [twitter.com] the whole situation was a misunderstanding, as per the HH admin himself. But rarely does the actual resolution of the situation get brought up, so misinformation continues to spread far and wide.

On 2014 mass takedowns

A lot of people in this thread already seems more aware than you usually see about the situation, but to reiterate here: the 2014 mass takedowns that led to the removal of a lot of content on EH and other sites came about as a result of sole action by the Japanese publisher Wanimagazine. A ton of people claim that what made them act was signing a publishing deal with Fakku, but it was in fact the exact opposite - Fakku was also on the receiving end of those takedowns that started in April 2014. EH and Fakku were both offered a deal by Wani to go legit (Maximum_Joe brought up EH getting the offer in an earlier thread here) but EH decided not to pursue that route while Fakku ended up going for it, leading to the Fakku deal being announced over two months later [www.animenewsnetwork.com] in late June 2014. Part of what plays into this misconception is that while most sites removed Wani's content back in April already, EH tried to hide it instead, and only actually started removing the content around July 2014 after continued pressure from Wani (who continued to send takedowns for years and still do, I think?)

Now, faced with the inarguable factuality of the timeline, some people argue that it was Fakku that "tipped" Wani about EH's attempts at hiding the content, but this claim really doesn't stand up to scrutiny either. As mentioned earlier, EH has a sizable Japanese audience and Wani isn't dumb. It's frankly silly to claim that they wouldn't be able to see through it, especially considering how the situation (and the fact that the content wasn't actually removed) was also being widely discussed on the internet in the open. And that discussion being in English wouldn't have been any obstacle either considering Wani employed a native English speaker (called Elliott) who was dealing with the matter in the first place. Wani would have needed exactly zero assistance from Fakku on the subject of finding pirates sharing their content.

Another thing that conspiracy theorists like to claim is that Wani and Fakku had already made a deal in secret before the takedowns and had Wani also send Fakku takedowns as a "smokescreen", but hopefully I don't have to tell you how deep into conspiracy nuttery that line of thinking already goes. Not to mention, why would Wani be offering a possible deal to EH too if there was already a done deal with Fakku on the cards? But alas, it's in the nature of the conspiracy theorist to argue against any facts that go against their theory til we get to the point where it's really impossible to provide any concrete evidence against their claims, at which point they claim they "win" and how their theory must be "totally real", completely ignoring how their own story kept constantly changing as facts proved their claims wrong.

Also, this all is not to say that Fakku wouldn't send takedowns on its own - it most certainly does, but the fact is that Fakku's takedown efforts are concentrated on its own releases. Much like how Wani's takedowns were concentrated on their own releases. Regardless of how inconvenienced you might be as a pirate by these takedowns, fact is that the rightsholders are, well, in the right when it comes to asking their content to be taken down, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why they would be upset about their paid commercial products being widely shared without permission on pirate sites.

On Irodori Comics

So, Irodori Comics. Yeah, I've heard the rumors and accusations about them myself, and if true then that does certainly come off as pretty hypocritical of the person in question, but as far as Fakku goes, Irodori Comics is literally just a 3rd party vendor among others and all this is drama internal to them that has no relation to Fakku. Like, from a Fakku's point of view, Irodori was basically like another name change for Enshodo, who had already done one name change in the past (they used to go by Shikimaya initially) and I don't see why it would be Fakku's job to "police" what their staff has been up to. In my books, that'd be similar to what Patreon has been doing recently where they go around telling artists to remove "offensive" artwork [www.dailydot.com] outside Patreon itself with the threat of disabling their Patreon accounts if they don't comply, and yeah, I'd rather not Fakku get into something like that in any way imaginable.

Not to mention that the main reason why people are mad at Irodori in the first place really just boils down to "how dare they take down my pirated porn", so excuse me for not exactly being all that sympathetic to any justifications they might try to come up with after the fact (and even if there is truth to some of the claims made about Irodori, the whole situation sure has also involved slinging around a lot of shit with absolutely zero evidence, much like how it goes with Fakku). Like yeah, sure, you can think whatever you want about their aggressive stance on takedowns, but at the end of the day they're still fully within their rights to do so. You're not entitled to get shit for free, and as a pirate you should be cognizant of the fact that sometimes having to jump through hoops to get the content you want without paying for it is just the alternative price you have to pay. Complaining about that is entitled as hell, to put it bluntly. And it's especially pathetic if you can't even admit the fact that you just want stuff for free and try to come up with all kinds of excuses to "justify" your piracy. At least have the guts to own up to the fact that you're a pirate, a freeloader who is only enabled thanks to the existence of actual paying customers. And have some respect to those paying customers for enabling your piracy while you're at it. (This common lack of respect is really doubly stupid in the case of eromanga considering how much even the piracy scene is driven by commissions...)

There's one more thing on my mind that I want to touch on, but I'll have to make another post for it because it'd be going over the post character limit otherwise.

This post has been edited by Daiz: Jul 30 2020, 22:33

Continuing from the last post, the final section:

On eromanga and piracy in general

There's two things I see come up in relation to the "benefits" of piracy in relation to eromanga quite often. One: "these artists wouldn't be known if it wasn't for piracy in the first place", and two: that one EU study about piracy. Let's talk about both of them.

First, it's certainly true that a lot of artists have gotten known in the west through piracy, but really, that's only natural when piracy was the only option out there for the longest time. And the fact is, now that there's proper legal options out there, people are also discovering new artists through them. There are several artists out there who were getting basically no English scanlations at all until Fakku started translating their works for its subscription service, and many of these have gone on to have their tankoubons licensed by Fakku based solely on the exposure to paying, legal customers. Catalog rental subscription services driving legal discovery is a proven thing, so this should really come as no surprise. Piracy is by no means "necessary" for artists to get exposure.

Second, while that one EU study talks about books, it certainly does not talk about eromanga specifically, and in that regard is certainly not directly applicable as the eromanga market has some very real issues to deal with in regards to piracy. One is the fact that it's porn, and I'm sure all of you have heard more than once in your life someone (perhaps even you yourself) claim how they'd "never pay for porn" or even make fun of someone else for "can you believe this guy actually paid for porn?!". People tend to have a much higher barrier when it comes to paying for adult content and seeing people actively made fun of for actually paying for adult content sure doesn't help either. This alone already makes things challenging, but then there's the far bigger issue of piracy being so entrenched in the western eromanga scene that a lot of people don't even realize they're pirating. There's tons of people out there saying stuff along the lines of "why would I pay for Fakku when I can read hentai for free on [pirate site]?" without realizing at all that the only reason why stuff on [pirate site] is free is because it's a pirate site where the artists aren't getting anything whereas with Fakku everything is 100% licensed and artists are actually being paid for their work.

So in conclusion, piracy is very much a real issue for eromanga, because a lot of people don't even know the difference between what's legit and what's not (which also leads to additional grief like people claiming Fakku only costs money because they're "greedy"), and among the people who do, you have a ton of people who are actively hostile to the very concept of actually paying for it. Certain people like to bang on about how piracy is "good exposure" for artists, but the fact is that the only way that exposure is worth anything is if it leads to people actually paying for content legitimately. And considering how often pirate exposure is paired with sentiments like "lol imagine actually paying for porn!", the chances of actually getting paying customers out of it obviously isn't very good. In fact, it could easily be actively harmful, wouldn't you agree?

Anyway, that's all from me for now. If there's something you'd want my input on, feel free to ask.

This post has been edited by Daiz: Jul 30 2020, 19:10

So in conclusion, piracy is very much a real issue for eromanga, because a lot of people don't even know the difference between what's legit and what's not (which also leads to additional grief like people claiming Fakku only costs money because they're "greedy"), and among the people who do, you have a ton of people who are actively hostile to the very concept of actually paying for it. Certain people like to bang on about how piracy is "good exposure" for artists, but the fact is that the only way that exposure is worth anything is if it leads to people actually paying for content legitimately. And considering how often pirate exposure is paired with sentiments like "lol imagine actually paying for porn!", the chances of actually getting paying customers out of it obviously isn't very good. In fact, it could easily be actively harmful, wouldn't you agree?

Ekhm... not really. This sounds pretty much like:

1 - I have a problem
2 - Society should solve that problem for me
3 - Therefore society has a problem, hence the problem in harmful to society

It is your job to encourage things done differently, towards the way you believe they should be. It is not your job to argue that people doing things differently from you are doing bad things. e.g. paywalling content you worked on is a very fair business model, paywalling related content is not.

This is not a discussion on piracy though. That is a much bigger discussion, and one not settled at all in the digital world. The concept that one can ( 1 ) have something, ( 2 ) give that something to someone else and ( 3 ) still have that something; is so new that the discussion on piracy will probably not settle during our lifetimes.

This is not a discussion on piracy though. That is a much bigger discussion, and one not settled at all in the digital world. The concept that one can ( 1 ) have something, ( 2 ) give that something to someone else and ( 3 ) still have that something; is so new that the discussion on piracy will probably not settle during our lifetimes.

It's not really a new discussion at all - copyright has been around for quite a while. Now, personally I do think copyright laws have also gotten wildly out of control and go against the original purpose of it. Rights lasting for lifetime and several decades after is plain and simply wack. Personally I'd think the length of copyright would be more appropriate at somewhere along the lines of 5-15 years, after which the work would fall into public domain.

But even though I would advocate for far shorter copyright length, I do very much still think that people should be able to make money with said rights, especially as long as we live in a capitalistic society where you need money to put food on the table. Because if you can't make money with your art, then you'll have to turn to something else instead, which in turn means that there is less art being made in the world. And while there might be more art out there than any single person could ever consume in their lifetime nowadays, it still really sucks if someone that's catering to a niche interest of yours that you really like ends up quitting. Which is a very real possibility with eromanga artists that can't make money with their work.

I would say that it falls on anyone who wants to see artists prosper in this niche of ours to help change the damaging attitudes I talked about.

This post has been edited by Daiz: Jul 30 2020, 20:03

Sigh... You really can't have good things... Someone will ruin it for you at some point.
The share from FAKKU was a good thing. They did it by themselves.
Too many of e-hentai community complained.
We lost the privilege...

This post has been edited by Jay Low: Jul 30 2020, 23:01

We lost the privilege...

Dude we never had the privilege, and it wasn't "the community" that wrecked it.

It was a bunch of autistic screaming 4channers that wouldn't shut up.

I might add that pulling those galleries after getting some rage was pretty weak considering the amount of hatred fakku has generated here in the past.

From the actual community.