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Someone (edit: 2 users! 2 idiots on the same day! fuck sake!) changed their username despite the warnings to 1) tell me first and 2) not use the fucking market until I've responded. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

I pushed through all the stuck transactions and most seemed to go through fine...

Something strange has happened to me right now : my last 2 purchases do appear in the "Your Transactions" list in the site, but I have not received the MM (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

FYI, the timestamp for the transactions are April 18, 2020, 1:50 p.m. and April 18, 2020, 1:49 p.m. respectively.

I'm not entirely sure what happened with your one; everyone else's stuff went through fine after a reset, but yours simply disappeared. It's not just the unconfirmed sales - the sales themselves don't seem to exist.

I believe they were just low-grade materials - do you remember the details of the transactions other than this, so I can compensate anyone who was affected by their listings being decreased into the void?

This post has been edited by lestion: Apr 18 2020, 18:07

I believe they were just low-grade materials - do you remember the details of the transactions other than this, so I can compensate anyone who was affected by their listings being decreased into the void?

Yes, they were for LGM. I've just checked, and the transactions have disappeared from my purchases' list.

I don't think you have to do anything though, because I remember i had bought the full supply of users 3534 and mfs5vnut32, and they are back there; so it seems the database rollback took care of it possibly.

The third transac I deed to check, I really don't remember whith whom it was; I can only assume it was rollbacked like the previous 2.

I'll try a buy right now, and post the result.

Edit :
materials bought, everything's fine now, thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Apr 18 2020, 18:19

Yes, they were for LGM. I've just checked, and the transactions have disappeared from my purchases' list.

I don't think you have to do anything though, because I remember i had bought the full supply of users 3534 and mfs5vnut32, and they are back there; so it seems the database rollback took care of it possibly.

The third transac I deed to check, I really don't remember whith whom it was; I can only assume it was rollbacked like the previous 2.

I'll try a buy right now, and post the result.

Edit :
materials bought, everything's fine now, thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I have absolutely no idea why it did that but I'm relieved anyway (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Hey, I'm wondering about items like robust catalysts and the like that are usually sold at the Coupon Clipper price in the WTS forum. I don't think I've seen them being sold yet on HVMarket, I'm wondering if it's because of the relatively fixed price and the tax?

Hey, I'm wondering about items like robust catalysts and the like that are usually sold at the Coupon Clipper price in the WTS forum. I don't think I've seen them being sold yet on HVMarket, I'm wondering if it's because of the relatively fixed price and the tax?

Although the tax may play into it too, but my understanding of the coupon clipper service was that you asked someone who offered it, they then buy the materials, and cod them to you (or accept payment upfront before buying the materials, either or). There's no benefit to a seller listing coupon clipper items on the market, since they'd have to buy the stock to do so, which is only risk for them as there's no pre arranged sale to count on, for what is already a charitable service that won't make them any money.

This post has been edited by Ubershank: Apr 20 2020, 02:14

Although the tax may play into it too, but my understanding of the coupon clipper service was that you asked someone who offered it, they then buy the materials, and cod them to you (or accept payment upfront before buying the materials, either or). There's no benefit to a seller listing coupon clipper items on the market, since they'd have to buy the stock to do so, which is only risk for them as there's no pre arranged sale to count on, for what is already a charitable service that won't make them any money.

Makes sense, I usually see people with stock selling w/ COD on WTS, but it's usually not a large stock and for larger quantities it's usually payment first. I guess it wouldn't work really well with HVMarket.

report: i get "Broken payout" in MM on 2020-04-30 17:37

report: i get "Broken payout" in MM on 2020-04-30 17:37

I know, I sent that to you manually (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

The system does not automatically resend payouts if they break (for specific reasons I don't remember) - instead, it logs a record of it so I can handle it manually later.

This is visible in sales logs - if you see a transaction showing as green and it doesn't clean up after a few refreshes, it's probably broken and needs me to intervene.

The crystals of fortitude and vigor are systematicly all buyed.. Idk if it's a monopoly strategy but it's annoying

The crystals of fortitude and vigor are systematicly all buyed.. Idk if it's a monopoly strategy but it's annoying

I doubt it's a monopoly strategy. Everyone needs crystals, and those are probably popular for giants. Just not enough to go round, since the crystals going on the market will often be spare crystals that don't make a full pack

Not that anyone in their right mind would attempt monopolising something as common as crystals, the supplies too great.

This post has been edited by Ubershank: May 14 2020, 20:05

The crystals of fortitude and vigor are systematicly all buyed.. Idk if it's a monopoly strategy but it's annoying

They're just being stocked in small quantities, not enough to meet the demand.

I have no reason to suspect abusive behaviour at the moment.

I love HVMarket. I debated opening a shop for years, but it seemd like too much upkeep in the forums. HVMarket solved so much of that.

I have a few small suggestions/requests:

1: Remove the "c" from the prices. It is self evident the prices are not Hath, GP, or kilocredits, but if there is any worry about that, put it in the column header.

This would save me (and I'm sure others) the annoyance of removing it when we're scraping our sales info for spreadsheets.

2: For similar reasons, it would be great if the date/time format were modified slightly. In particular, if the time were given in 24 hour format. Another option would be to break the date and time into two columns. This would simpliy sorting and analysis.

3: Include the error informtion (cancelled, pending, broke) in an actual column of data (perhaps hidden by default) in addition to the color formatting. The color fill doesn't cary over in a simple copy/paste of data from the web page. This is a pain to manually identify and correct, so I'm just living with the innacurate data for now.

Finally, it would be interesting if you published data on trends, such as number of active users, average usage, frequency of inventory and price updates, volume of trades by category or item, price, piurchase size, etc.

On a different note, I am enjoying working out the different pricing stratagies and intentions of the various sellers and buyers. Quick sales versus holding out for the buyer looking for large volumes, buying out small volumes from lower priced sellers to add to your own inventory (or just use), etc.

I am sure Superlatanium would have some thoughts on this, pricing pressure it places on WTS and auctions, etc. And some game theory to help explain the market trends and buyer/seller behaviours.

Whatever you do with my feature requests, thank you SO much for creating the market!

yes i too want to say that i'm a fan of hvmarket. definitely easier than maintaining my shop, which i'm too lazy to bother with. good work (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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1 - the raw data is available in the HTML as data-num for most fields (fields that can hold partial prices should be divided by 10, they're internally stored as ints) - for anyone who wants to write scripts to scrape data from the page. I see your point for those who simply want to copy/paste into spreadsheets, though, and I might make that change later.

2 - Boy, I'd love to. It just means getting a bit under-the-hood & messing with how date/time localization is handled in the templating language. I'll have a look into this.

3 - The reason I didn't do this to begin with is to limit column bloat, especially considering 99.9% of the time, it's immediately clear to a normal user. But I note that it does make the data difficult to work with, so I'll consider doing this. I might make the text smaller for the data in transaction history tables, since all modern browsers offer zoom options for the visually impaired anyway.

I plan to release some statistics when the total sales exceed 1billion (projected to happen in ~1week) but it will be less exhaustive than some of the things you have in mind. I think what you really want is a page that provides more complex analysis dynamically. The technical explanation for why this probably isn't going to happen is that certain parts of the current implementation are a little hacky & I'm too lazy to change them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Also, you wouldn't actually see much that's very interesting - the dataset is too small and generated too slowly to be reliable (you'd have to include data from months back to get representative statistics, and while that may be interesting for an all-time analysis, it won't give you anything usable today because the HV economy is strongly sculpted by short-term effects like star sellers going mad, H@H kingpins coming out of their slumber to hoard, etc).

Final note - I think the 'pressure' it creates on normal markets is largely negated by the 5% tax and the cumbersome registration process. In the future, I plan to add pseudo-automatic registration process by MMing a verification code to the registering user, but it's difficult to present a system that's intuitive enough for non-English speakers. I may also one day drop the tax entirely simply because I want to see a healthier HV economy more than I want credits in my account, but I feel a little indignant every time it's suggested to me, because it took months of work & I'm paying ongoing server costs to run it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thank you for supporting HVMarket.

This post has been edited by lestion: Jun 1 2020, 11:35

So, just had a mesage returned from HVMarket, no obvious reason why. Routine sending of 10 items. The Market web page is up, appears to be working normally.

I then tried a recall of a single item(worked normally) and sent a different message with only three items (that I was just setting up when the other message was returned). I failed to check the stock levels first, so I can't be sure it was processed correctly, but appears to have worked (or at least not been returned).

Any idea why the first message was retunred, or what happened?

This post has been edited by sogeth: Jun 1 2020, 08:43

So, just had a mesage returned from HVMarket, no obvious reason why. Routine sending of 10 items. The Market web page is up, appears to be working normally.

I then tried a recall of a single item(worked normally) and sent a different message with only three items (that I was just setting up when the other message was returned). I failed to check the stock levels first, so I can't be sure it was processed correctly, but appears to have worked (or at least not been returned).

Any idea why the first message was retunred, or what happened?

Did you maybe have a CoD set or equipment attached?

Did you maybe have a CoD set or equipment attached?

I did not. I double checked both those things. I didn't mention that because I assumed you would see an error log or something, and easily know that.

I was slightly spooked by the return (wondering if the service might be unavailable, or perhaps unexpectedly shut down), but I have seen no other issues.

It would still be nice to know what happened, but given I haven't seen other problems before or since, assuming it was a rare glitch/timing failure works for me. Happy to provide more details (exact time and/or sreen shot of the return message, for instance) if desired.

I did not. I double checked both those things. I didn't mention that because I assumed you would see an error log or something, and easily know that.

I was slightly spooked by the return (wondering if the service might be unavailable, or perhaps unexpectedly shut down), but I have seen no other issues.

It would still be nice to know what happened, but given I haven't seen other problems before or since, assuming it was a rare glitch/timing failure works for me. Happy to provide more details (exact time and/or sreen shot of the return message, for instance) if desired.

Returning messages doesn't produce any error logs by itself, and returned messages leave no trace on the HVMarket end.

I can say that CoDs are remembered from previous mails and that a returned message won't show that there was ever a CoD, so it could still feasibly be that you had one set accidentally.

There are no other behaviours that call for the return function, and I can't think of any possible reason they'd get triggered without either of those two factors showing up. It would not be a timing failure; all mail functions happen synchronously in a queue to avoid that.

This post has been edited by lestion: Jun 2 2020, 09:57

Returning messages doesn't produce any error logs by itself, and returned messages leave no trace on the HVMarket end.

I can say that CoDs are remembered from previous mails and that a returned message won't show that there was ever a CoD, so it could still feasibly be that you had one set accidentally.

There are no other behaviours that call for the return function, and I can't think of any possible reason they'd get triggered without either of those two factors showing up. It would not be a timing failure; all mail functions happen synchronously in a queue to avoid that.

All good. Thanks for the explanation, and the market in general. I look forward to those stats, when and if you share.

And you deserve 50 million for the hard work! HVShop is great!

HVMarket passed 1b credits in total sales volume. Here are a few stats.

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Total sales: 9466
Total volume: 1,021,467,524c

Last 7 days sales: 792
Last 7 days volume: 77,296,959c

Last 24 hours sales: 118
Last 24 hours volume: 10,019,802c

Total users: 236
Total users with more than 1 item sold: 121

Total sales >= 1m: 184
Largest sale: 26,497,500c (2345 Amnesia Shards @ 11,300)

Top 5 sellers by earnings (anonymized)
1 - 112,280,028c
2 - 78,200,275c
3 - 74,614,467c (for transparency - this is me)
4 - 69,969,500c
5 - 49,869,300c

Top 5 buyers by paid:
1 - 96,581,617
2 - 94,146,282
3 - 60,542,407
4 - 58,063,659 (for transparency - this is me)
5 - 45,350,220

A few item stats:
High-Grade Cloth - 13,828c average price, 15,600c max price, 6194 total sold
Crystallized Phazon - 253,920c average price, 333,333c max price, 204 total sold
Binding of Slaughter - 87,813c average price, 95,000c max price, 899 total sold
Binding of Protection - 39,153c average price, 50,000c max price, 223 total sold
Binding of the Fox - 25,890c average price, 45,000c max price, 138 total sold
Binding of the Owl - 28,773 average price, 50,000c max price, 110 total sold
SG trophies (costume, doll, glasses) - 1,530c average price, 15,000c max price, 39,522 total sold

A note on that last one - the 15k unit price for an SG trophy was only paid once, and was probably a mistake - the 1530c is still likely representative of the average price, though, with that many sold.

Almost all mage materials are rising in price considerably, while melee prices are lowering slightly, and the price of certain high-availability goods like amnesia shards and happy pills are dropping.

Trophies have reached a price equilibrium - they continue to be bought, but they've finally reached a point where the active FoSers using HVMarket are not instantly buying the entire stock.

There are shortages of most types of scrolls (at time of writing, protection, swiftness, shadows and life have 0 in stock at all), health potions, and spirit/last elixirs. The prices for these can probably raise and the market will bear it.

I can provide more statistics if there's anything you want to know about specifically (although I cannot provide price graphs over time at the moment, mostly because the library used to do so is a pain in the ass).

To shopkeepers: many items reliably sell quite quickly on HVMarket, at prices similar to auctions. The tax does not seem to have significantly affected buyer behaviour, but I do think it has affected sellers - there are at least a few large shopkeepers who have signed up, but prefer to use their shops or dump their items at auctions.

This post has been edited by lestion: Jun 3 2020, 19:21