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Strictly on the resellers point, I personally never got why its so frowned upon

Do people go to the shop, and refuse to buy anything from it if they find out the owner didn't buy from the manufacturer/distributor at the same price they list in the shop?

Person a wants something at 10c
Person b buys it from person c at 8c
Person a doesn't do his due diligence, and got the item at 10c, the price he asked for

Person c was too lazy to check wtb, person a was too lazy to check wts, and person b was the only person willing to do the work, and got money out of it, but he's the one in the wrong, despite both person a and person c getting the prices that they actually asked for...

Thats a view not taking into account the economics which frankly would go over my head anyway

First of all, people usually don't want X at Y price they want X at the lowest possible price; they are agreeing to pay Y because they are under impression that they would not get X otherwise (or at least in acceptable for them timeframe). Behaviour of resellers can influence that impression, typical situation being where persons checks WTS, finds nothing at 8c (because those WTS exist only for a very short time, before being bought out by the resellers) and grudgingly buys whatever they want for 10c.

That goes double for the HVmarket. In that case every single action by the buyer is identical, but with reseller taking action buyer pays more and (original) seller gets the same.

Your example of "people going to the shop" is intentionally ridiculous, but RL society restrict some commercial transactions precisely because without any limitations results are often seen as undesirable.

You may ask whether it's worthwhile to stop people from such profiteering, because "it's just a game", but firstly, because it's a game you may as well ask why that part of the game exists, and secondly, some actions in the past were undertaken by Tenboro to limit similar practices. It is not an open-and-shut case one way or the other.

First of all, people usually don't want X at Y price they want X at the lowest possible price;

So does everyone, feel free to "wtb this as cheap as you'll give for me" and see if that works out. Ultimately, it's still a price they are willing to accept.

they are agreeing to pay Y because they are under impression that they would not get X otherwise (or at least in acceptable for them timeframe).

Hence doing the research

Behaviour of resellers can influence that impression, typical situation being where persons checks WTS, finds nothing at 8c (because those WTS exist only for a very short time, before being bought out by the resellers) and grudgingly buys whatever they want for 10c.

There are transaction logs



Just out of curiosity, if someone ever buys something at say 100c, do you never expect them to sell at a lower price ever again? I'm interested to know how the reselling is bad logic ever allows for prices to ever drop when there is no trackability of items via unique ID or other similar

This post has been edited by Shank: Jun 13 2021, 23:37

The sales function works on my account, but the purchase function doesn't work. Could you check it out?
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The sales function works on my account, but the purchase function doesn't work. Could you check it out?
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Ah, it looks like your name never got set back to valid after your name change. I've fixed that, it should work fine now.

It's not really an expensive venture, it's more the principle of the fact that I'm paying money to be routinely told, by people who use it anyway, that it's not good enough because it's not perfect (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Welcome to running things on the internet. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

TENBORO WHY DO I HAVE TO PLAY HENTAIVERSE TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT? WHY DOESN'T IT PLAY BY ITSELF? WHY THE FUCK IT IS STILL NOT REPLACED BY A GIANT "YOU ARE WINNER!" SCREEN YET? WHY DOESN'T YOUR WEBSITE FIXES WORLD HUNGER? ARE YOU TRYING TO SUMMON CTHULHU?

Although this probably still nowhere as vocal as the mooks over /spg/.

Is there a minimum price that something can sell for? I was trying to buy a bunch of low grade cloth and it worked fine but didn't fill my complete order and now it's trying to fill it one item at a time but at 5 times my rate.

This morning I got the following message

"You have purchased the following items:
1 x Low-Grade Cloth @ 2.0c = 2.0c
Total price: 2c"

Which is fine except to take it MM is charging me 10c ( do have the hath perk but I don't think it applies to receiving anyway). Is that just because there is a minimum for MM? If there is, is there anyway to stop it from trying to send me orders of less than 10c as I don't really want them 1 at a time anyway and if i have to pay 5 times the rate it's not even worth it.

There is a 10c minimum on mooglemail cods

The only way to avoid this is to buy more than 10c worth in one go. This won't happen if the buy order gets fulfilled sporadically, but you can do it if you buy the full amount in one go when enough stock at the desired price exists (which will group the orders even if its several peoples stock

Alright, I'll just avoid leaving buy orders in on really cheap items in the future. That's easy enough to do now that I know it can cause this.

Alright, I'll just avoid leaving buy orders in on really cheap items in the future. That's easy enough to do now that I know it can cause this.

Yeah, unfortunately, that's a side effect of the minimum CoD amount (enforced HV-side). I'm surprised people are even bothering to sell those 1 at a time. Usually this isn't much of a problem because most goods that are worth so little are only priced so low because there's an enormous amount of supply compared to the demand.

The only reason low-grade cloth is in such short supply currently is that people started selling it below the price it sells to the item shop for, so a reseller cleaned up most of the stock to make a total profit of... less than 10,000c. lol

This post has been edited by Nezu: Jun 14 2021, 17:08

@Shank

I do not exactly follow your example of "lowering the prices". Are people in your example only ever sell at whatever price they have bought? Nobody was arguing for that.

About the research - your initial example mentioned "WTS" and "WTB", which left an option where one person was selling cheaper than other person was buying. In that example reseller was providing convenience. They also stabilized the market (though, again as Nezu notes sometimes resellers actuality "stabilized" the price very far from market equilibrium - and it was not even to ensure maximum profit, as with fox/owl/cheetah bindings). HVMarket allows the research on prices to be automated among other things.

That goes back to the question why resellers are disliked - because they are not necessary for the game to function and people think that they would be able to sell higher or buy lower if it was not for resellers, and that is strictly speaking true. Again, convenience matters, but HVMarket specifically creates 90% of all possible convenience without resellers.

With or without tax HVMarket makes game easier (and likely "fairer" for what it's worth), but there's difference between accepting behaviour as inevitable and praising it.

Is something broken or am I misunderstanding how this works?

I'm still trying to buy low grade cloth. There is over 100 units being sold at 4.8 and I submitted a buy order at 4.8 for 100 units. It has now sent me two single unit buy orders at 4.8...

Is it sending all of them individually? Is there somce way I can group them? I really have no desire to accept 100 separate buy orders.

Edit: I've now cancelled my buy order and I still got a 3rd single unit MM for 4.8.

Edit2: The logs on hvmarket don't seem to line up with my MM. They aren't showing 3 separate buys at 3.8...

Edit3: Now the hvmart transaction log shows none of these transactions but they still show on my personal log on hvmarket.

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This post has been edited by TheMonkeyMan: Jun 15 2021, 06:21

Is something broken or am I misunderstanding how this works?

I'm still trying to buy low grade cloth. There is over 100 units being sold at 4.8 and I submitted a buy order at 4.8 for 100 units. It has now sent me two single unit buy orders at 4.8...

Is it sending all of them individually? Is there somce way I can group them? I really have no desire to accept 100 separate buy orders.

Edit: I've now cancelled my buy order and I still got a 3rd single unit MM for 4.8.

From what I can see, no, there weren't >100 units at 4.8c: Necromusume bought the entire 4.8c stock about 8 hours before you placed your order.

They don't send individually unless someone sells them one by one (by setting a price and mailing them to HVMarket one at a time).

Edit2: The logs on hvmarket don't seem to line up with my MM. They aren't showing 3 separate buys at 3.8...

Edit3: Now the hvmart transaction log shows none of these transactions but they still show on my personal log on hvmarket.

No, they're in the logs? Currently seeing them on page 3, although you can find them easier with the 'Cancelled' filter.

Ah, I see it in the main transaction logs. I was just checking the logs from the item log link on the exchange page itself which I guess doesn't show cancelled.

I'll just chalk it up to me misreading. Sorry to bother you.

This post has been edited by TheMonkeyMan: Jun 15 2021, 16:17

Ah, I see it in the main transaction logs. I was just checking the logs from the item log link on the exchange page itself which I guess doesn't show cancelled.

I'll just put it down to me misreading. Sorry to bother you.

Yeah, the 'Item Logs' pages only show successful (paid) transactions. Just haven't gotten around to adding the others in on that page yet.

Hi, it seems that I can only post buy request but cannot sell anything in the HVMarket.

Is it becuz I am not qualified and need to do something for my qualification?

Hi, it seems that I can only post buy request but cannot sell anything in the HVMarket.

Is it becuz I am not qualified and need to do something for my qualification?

Did you set a price for them first to appear?

[hvmarket.xyz] https://hvmarket.xyz/manage-prices/

Did you set a price for them first to appear?

[hvmarket.xyz] https://hvmarket.xyz/manage-prices/

Yes, I did set a price, but still I can only see the Ask price/per, rather than the quantity[ ] Bid price/per[ ]
which shows up on the left side

Yes, I did set a price, but still I can only see the Ask price/per, rather than the quantity[ ] Bid price/per[ ]
which shows up on the left side

Read the [hvmarket.xyz] Help Page:

How do I sell items?

MoogleMail items to HVMarket, then wait around 1 minute and go to Manage Prices to set your prices. You can also set prices from individual item Exchange pages. HVMarket will remember your prices even if you run out of stock, and you can always set prices for any item you have deposited in the past. You can set prices for items you have never stocked before on the item's Exchange page.

HVMarket is not part of E-Hentai, it's a third-party user-created tool. It can't take items out of your inventory directly. You have to send it the items you want to sell by MoogleMail.

Read the [hvmarket.xyz] Help Page:
HVMarket is not part of E-Hentai, it's a third-party user-created tool. It can't take items out of your inventory directly. You have to send it the items you want to sell by MoogleMail.

I see, thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)))