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Jul 26 2019, 17:53
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katetem
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I think this is self-explanatory. Now, [ sukebei.nyaa.si] somebody already had torrents of some of contents of ex- backed up. This however will die if EHTracker dies too, and I suspect this will be the end soon to also succumb to the Hollandcaust as well. On the Chinese hentai scene, we had people uploading and sharing some Chinese translated content for a whooping 2T of data using PM software like Discord/IRC or some sort. Some people volunteered to answer the request of some contents and new originals, and with helps they are able to answer in less than 30s, this is at the moment the least efficient but the most workable workaround. Or, we still have a great network on H@H. H@H client is written in Java and the source is available. If we could ask some people with huge static ranges to use a modified client, we could actually reconstruct most of the CDN while the metadata, under the will of @Tenboro, should be lost forever. However, there is a downside: unpopular resources are most likely unrecoverable. Besides, the central server for H@H isn't open-sourced, albeit we could refer to the client source in an attempt to reverse-engineer most of that. I don't think we should ever rely on NH since they have now disabled comments and might be expecting a huge traffic hit, causing them to come out of radar and delete some contents due to pressure from the law department. They usually do not have high-quality scans/original besides ripping from Ex. But I think archiving their content is the most reliable last resort in case shit hits the fan even further. We gathered everyone but nobody could post a good solution to this problem, what should we do to preserve years of precious treasures? This post has been edited by katetem: Jul 26 2019, 18:30
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Jul 26 2019, 18:14
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susancat
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can we just buy the whole website with crowdfunding?
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Jul 26 2019, 18:23
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(katetem @ Jul 26 2019, 16:53)  This however will die if EHTracker dies too That is very far from true. Am one of the advocates of using torrents to publish out as much of EH content as we (as torrents) can therefore I'm doing a good deal of that. First, most torrent clients allow for manual addition of other trackers into the torrent, and any tracker will be happy to track pretty much whatever. Second, the bittorrent DHT is also a way to find seed/peers on a p2p basis, and DHT is enable by at least half of bittorrent clients today. In summary, add more trackers: mon, qb, xbt are run by a good deal of people. And keep other torrents running in the client you are using for EH, will allow you to share the DHT with more people.
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Jul 26 2019, 18:48
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风向依旧
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How can we find better resources? It's not easy to preserve them.
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Jul 26 2019, 19:00
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katetem
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I see that some people are "abusing" the upload system by not tagging lolicon tag or any tag that was not allowed on EH initially. And then by abusing the tagging consensus algorithm it was "re-tagged" with lolicon and such. Take this as an example: (IMG:[ i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/RplhYXK.png) THIS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ACCORDING TO THE TOS. DO NOT DO THIS(IMG:[ i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/3jcu06Y.png)
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Jul 26 2019, 19:02
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katetem
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QUOTE(风向依旧 @ Jul 26 2019, 18:48)  How can we find better resources? It's not easy to preserve them.
You won't
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Jul 26 2019, 20:02
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sensualaoi
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It's too bad we weren't given more time, I was sick with a flu and didn't even see the warning. I would have downloaded as much "flat-chested" TSF as I could and autistically backed it up at my other site if I had known shit would hit the fan.
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Jul 27 2019, 00:45
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(katetem @ Jul 26 2019, 18:00)  I see that some people are "abusing" the upload system by not tagging lolicon tag or any tag that was not allowed on EH initially. And then by abusing the tagging consensus algorithm it was "re-tagged" with lolicon and such.
We are well aware of this issue and even have viable proposals at solutions. That said, statistically, the problem is currently small since several vigilantes are on the case already: properly tagging the galleries. But yes, leaving (such) things untagged is currently dangerous enough, do not do that. Please tag lolis appropriately.
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Jul 27 2019, 01:35
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Vexxille
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Since BluePenguin is already here, might as well ask this: Do we have a way to preserve both the EH community and the HentaiVerse? We're talking mostly about the galleries so I hadn't heard anything concerning them.
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Jul 27 2019, 14:26
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EsotericSatire
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Yeah i invested way too much time and money into hentaiverse.
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Jul 27 2019, 16:58
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blue penguin
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QUOTE(Vexxille @ Jul 27 2019, 00:35)  Since BluePenguin is already here, might as well ask this: Do we have a way to preserve both the EH community and the HentaiVerse? We're talking mostly about the galleries so I hadn't heard anything concerning them. HV is very low priority, on't think anyone will take on duplicating it. For the community/metadata (e.g. the wiki) I'm trying to do something about. In the worst case we get a searcheable metadata repo somewhere. Anything else has not been decided/attempted yet.
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Jul 27 2019, 19:41
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Are there any administrators that know of web devs that could help with migrating or handing over the data to others?
I know a lot of websites just go down one day because a single person was running the show, but I'm sure someone must know a way to handle this better than letting the site die entirely.
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Jul 28 2019, 11:01
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Pillowgirl
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QUOTE(cakerbaker @ Jul 28 2019, 03:41)  Are there any administrators that know of web devs that could help with migrating or handing over the data to others?
I know a lot of websites just go down one day because a single person was running the show, but I'm sure someone must know a way to handle this better than letting the site die entirely.
Do you have 50tb of space?
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Jul 29 2019, 03:40
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Zeikfried
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Jul 28 2019, 11:01)  Do you have 50tb of space?
I have got 10tb altogether. And' like 2.5 tb free. It can't be that uncommon to have lots of disk space in today's world of external drives, right? That's not the main problem, is it? I mean even if all the data was gone, it would still be fine. The website and users themselves would have everything repaired within the year. It is the people who were the cogs and gears in the background keeping everything running that'll be the biggest loss. If no one picks up the mantle of e-hentai... Then all the backed up data might as well still be scattered across the net.
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Jul 31 2019, 02:42
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blue penguin
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The big problem wouldn't be getting one's hands on 50TB of disk space. I can probably buy that for 2-300 $, including extras for RAID. The problem is to have the bandwidth to deliver this amount of files constantly to thousands of people.
Bandwidth is more expensive than space. H@H does a good deal of bandwidth saving for EH but getting a hold on H@H as a system is pretty difficult, i can only imagine how the request routing may be optimized to death. There's a lot of trouble in keeping image serving websites alive recently, including chan's, due to bandwidth costs.
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Jul 31 2019, 11:55
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Pillowgirl
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Jul 31 2019, 10:42)  The big problem wouldn't be getting one's hands on 50TB of disk space. I can probably buy that for 2-300 $, including extras for RAID. The problem is to have the bandwidth to deliver this amount of files constantly to thousands of people.
Bandwidth is more expensive than space. H@H does a good deal of bandwidth saving for EH but getting a hold on H@H as a system is pretty difficult, i can only imagine how the request routing may be optimized to death. There's a lot of trouble in keeping image serving websites alive recently, including chan's, due to bandwidth costs.
I'm not concerned about the galleries tbh, people have already scraped the hell out of it after the fakku purge and a full archive can easily be made available through torrent/p2p/dcc. I'm more interested in keeping the forum alive indefinitely. This post has been edited by Pillowgirl: Jul 31 2019, 11:55
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Jul 31 2019, 15:06
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Testaccount321
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Jul 31 2019, 09:55)  I'm not concerned about the galleries tbh, people have already scraped the hell out of it after the fakku purge and a full archive can easily be made available through torrent/p2p/dcc.
I'm more interested in keeping the forum alive indefinitely.
The problem will be how to find all those torrents without ex.
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