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It depends on your specific use situation
firefox consumes less memory than chrome

both
but firefox for all the stuff

i like firfox because i like (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I usually prefer using Firefox but I use Chrome on my phone.

I no longer use Firefox since it introduced a new (official?) addon which replaces "offensive words" (e.g. b**ch -> boss). Dealing with swearing should never go that far.

Now I'm using Brave as main and Chrome for compatibility issues.

I run Firefox and Edge, Firefox all the way tho

why not BRAVE?

why not BRAVE?

Because it's still Chromium and still contributes to Googles stranglehold of the web and it's standards.

Because it's still Chromium and still contributes to Googles stranglehold of the web and it's standards.

^
It's the new Internet Explorer. And I already knew this was going to happen in 2012.

The prospect of making a new browser rendering engine from scratch just keeps getting scarier and scarier, unfortunately, because people feel the need to have all this ridiculous stuff thrown into the DOM/Javascript/CSS.

If/when Mozilla implodes, I have no idea who could step in. But the cat's out of the bag now and there's no going back to when web sites were simple and could be used without javascript.

JS can be fine, even, but there's no reason you should need things like "Shadow DOM" or a billion frameworks. Plain, well-written javascript (lol) still performs nicely. But no one fucking writes that.

And don't get me started on superfluous canvas use.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 19 2022, 18:29

If/when Mozilla implodes, I have no idea who could step in.

I don't suspect anyone does, even M$ has bent the knee. That's why the absolute state of Mozilla is so profoundly depressing. The last bastion of freedom on the web and it's run by actual morons who keep trying to actively ruin it.

I don't suspect anyone does, even M$ has bent the knee. That's why the absolute state of Mozilla is so profoundly depressing. The last bastion of freedom on the web and it's run by actual morons who keep trying to actively ruin it.

I could not have said it better.

Do you use seamonkey, by chance? I think you might like it. They're struggling to keep up, though.

And they are currently refusing to move to the node.js build system, so I appreciate them for that immensely.

I think the main mozilla team is moronic because 1) they need to change things to justify their continued paychecks and 2) they seem to have web dev-itis (the tendency of web devs to be really stupid and user-hostile because it's easier on them that way/they feel the need to do things differently than what's been shown to work).

Also I suspect a lot of them never learned or cared about the principles that mozilla used to be really good at encouraging (actual, real community engagement, good public documentation of Mozilla internals). It's just a job.

Oh yeah, and overreliance on spyware (telemetry) to make decisions, when only utter morons leave telemetry enabled.

I kind of want to forge a bunch of telemetry reports and send them in, but I don't really have the motivation.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 19 2022, 21:11

I don't suspect anyone does, even M$ has bent the knee. That's why the absolute state of Mozilla is so profoundly depressing.

Speaking of chrome, it still doesn't honor the 3D lookup tables in ICC profiles in 2022.

I use Firefox for the most part and Chrome for the odd website that doesn't load well on Firefox.

Brave.

Chrome is spyware, Firefox is soyware and everything else is a gimmick that doesn't work.

I no longer use Firefox since it introduced a new (official?) addon which replaces "offensive words" (e.g. b**ch -> boss). Dealing with swearing should never go that far.

Now I'm using Brave as main and Chrome for compatibility issues.

an optional addon that gives you choices?! How could they do this. I'm outraged.

/s

Brave.

Chrome is spyware, Firefox is soyware and everything else is a gimmick that doesn't work.

brave is chromium, soyware means nothing, and you're supporting everyone adopting a single rendering engine (anticompetitive).

I use seamonkey or heavily modified FF built from sources with a lot of things altered.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 28 2022, 23:36

brave is chromium, and you're supporting everyone adopting a single rendering engine (anticompetitive).

Yeah, I don't really care.
Is the modern web bloated beyond belief? Yes. Do I want the browser that best works in this bloated nightmare of modern web "design"? Also yes.
Me switching to some gimmick browser will not make the "web devs" second guess their choices while building their atrocious websites. It'll just make me have a worse time.

Chromium simply is the best, anticompetitive or not. I'm not going to use the second best just to pat myself on the back for not using the better one.

soyware means nothing

Sounds like something someone using soyware would say.

Chromium simply is the best, anticompetitive or not. I'm not going to use the second best just to pat myself on the back for not using the better one.
Sounds like something someone using soyware would say.

You sound like you used Internet Explorer in 2003.
You also sound like a Tesla owner who bought one because Consumer Reports gave it a ridiculously high score rather than from any misguided attempt to be "green."
"Best" is a highly relative term.

I use Seamonkey. Fully customizable and also not brain dead like chromium.

There's nothing as soy as an overly simplistic world view where nothing matters below the surface level.

Freedom isn't obtained by acquiescing/flocking to the most convenient option. Freedom takes sacrifices.
Yes, I am implying you do not care about actual freedom and like the commercialization of the web, and that you do not value the idea of an open platform where everyone can share information freely.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 29 2022, 05:10

You sound like you used Internet Explorer in 2003.

I used Firebird in 2003. Back when it was the best browser.

You also sound like a Tesla owner who bought one because Consumer Reports gave it a ridiculously high score rather than from any misguided attempt to be "green."
"Best" is a highly relative term.
I use Seamonkey. Fully customizable and also not brain dead like chromium.

Copium. What do I care how "brain dead" a browser is if I'm not the person developing it? It works. It works better than Firefox. That's all I care about. What happens under the hood is none of my concern.

There's nothing as soy as an overly simplistic world view where nothing matters below the surface level.

Why would it matter to me? I'm not talking of stuff that's simply hidden from the user, like privacy violations. Of course things can matter even if they happen under the surface. But why on earth would I care about the inner workings of the webkit or whatever lines of code make the website appear in front of me, or how "brain dead" they are, if the result is superior to other alternatives?

Freedom isn't obtained by acquiescing/flocking to the most convenient option. Freedom takes sacrifices.
Yes, I am implying you do not care about actual freedom and like the commercialization of the web, and that you do not value the idea of an open platform where everyone can share information freely.

Using a Google-funded Mozilla browser is not the activist stand you seem to think it is. If I cared about privacy I'd stay off the internet. If I cared about freedom I'd stop using computers.

Using a Google-funded Mozilla browser is not the activist stand you seem to think it is.

Yeah you'd rather use an actual google browser, but with lipstick and make-up on the pig
(and one that doesn't even support full color management)

It's not a perfect option, but it is better than just accepting defeat and ushering in a neo-IE6.
My opinion on the situation is summed up here:

why not BRAVE?

Because it's still Chromium and still contributes to Googles stranglehold of the web and it's standards.

...the absolute state of Mozilla is so profoundly depressing. The last bastion of freedom on the web and it's run by actual morons who keep trying to actively ruin it.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 29 2022, 06:24