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post Sep 8 2020, 16:13
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99% of my mail is html and I get thousands from a bunch of mails, last time I remember this was very much not a good time in mutt. would this still be the case today?


~/.mailcap
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text/html;        lynx -assume_charset=%{charset} -width=1024  -display_charset=utf-8 -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput
application/pdf;  pdftotext %s -; copiousoutput
image/*;          anytopnm %s | pnmscale -xsize 80 | ppmtopgm | pgmtopbm | pbmtoascii; copiousoutput
Does the trick for the majority of crazy mail for me.

Yes, I still need to save the PDF/image in order to see the details but the preview gives me enough info to delete the email that I'm not after.
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post Sep 8 2020, 17:18
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Sep 8 2020, 08:45) *

Come to the side of pine and mutt - we have cookies.

I don't use Thunderbird; I use Seamonkey but the Session Manager addon is not in AMO proper anymore.

I am already there for email.

QUOTE(cate_chan @ Sep 8 2020, 09:35) *

that said though they're really trying lately to annoy me for still using firefox. most recently (version 79+?) they managed to mess up the process name in a way where pkill firefox no longer works and now I have to use pkill -f firefox to get it. its the small things wearing away at my sanity

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pkill()
{
  if [ "$1" = "firefox" ]; then
    /usr/bin/pkill -f "$1"
  else
    /usr/bin/pkill "$@"
  fi
}

In your shell's 'rc' file (e.g. ~/.bashrc, ~/.kshrc), as long as it's a POSIX-like shell.

Alternative, untested, but might allow more flags (like -9) to be passed. Checks if the last argument is 'firefox', and if so appends '-f' to the arguments to the command.
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pkill()
{
  
  if [ "$(eval echo \${$#})" = "firefox" ]; then
    /usr/bin/pkill -f "$@"
  else
    /usr/bin/pkill "$@"
  fi
}


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post Sep 8 2020, 18:30
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QUOTE(blue penguin @ Sep 8 2020, 16:13) *

~/.mailcap
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text/html;        lynx -assume_charset=%{charset} -width=1024  -display_charset=utf-8 -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput
application/pdf;  pdftotext %s -; copiousoutput
image/*;          anytopnm %s | pnmscale -xsize 80 | ppmtopgm | pgmtopbm | pbmtoascii; copiousoutput
Does the trick for the majority of crazy mail for me.
created in case I ever build up the motivation to try setting every terrible mail account up with mutt again, cheers.

QUOTE(blue penguin @ Sep 8 2020, 16:13) *

delete the email that I'm not after.
I guess theres people that do this, this group does not include me.

QUOTE(dragontamer8740 @ Sep 8 2020, 17:18) *

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pkill()
{
  if [ "$1" = "firefox" ]; then
    /usr/bin/pkill -f "$1"
  else
    /usr/bin/pkill "$@"
  fi
}

In your shell's 'rc' file (e.g. ~/.bashrc, ~/.kshrc), as long as it's a POSIX-like shell.

Alternative, untested, but might allow more flags (like -9) to be passed. Checks if the last argument is 'firefox', and if so appends '-f' to the arguments to the command.
CODE
pkill()
{
  
  if [ "$(eval echo \${$#})" = "firefox" ]; then
    /usr/bin/pkill -f "$@"
  else
    /usr/bin/pkill "$@"
  fi
}

for now I resorted to a dedicated killff which is just a sh script with 'pkill -f firefox', an alias alone doesnt fully cover the usecase because I also run it from dmenu sometimes.
it's not so much that it isnt easy to work around, its more that these things shouldnt be happening to begin with, like many recent developments of firefox
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post Sep 10 2020, 19:02
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QUOTE(cate_chan @ Sep 8 2020, 12:30) *

for now I resorted to a dedicated killff which is just a sh script with 'pkill -f firefox', an alias alone doesnt fully cover the usecase because I also run it from dmenu sometimes.
it's not so much that it isnt easy to work around, its more that these things shouldnt be happening to begin with, like many recent developments of firefox

put it in a shell script in a local directory on your $PATH then.
I have a file ~/bin/firefox that contains this, for instance:
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#! /bin/sh
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF8 #24-hour timestamps
export LC_TIME
# Currently using a custom, alsa build of FF 80 that doesn't need apulse (built with alsa enabled).
# Uncomment these lines when apulse is needed again (when Mozilla takes the Alsa code out of the tree).
# export APULSE_PLAYBACK_DEVICE=integrated_plus_loopback
# export MOZ_SANDBOX_LOGGING=1
if [ -e /usr/bin/firefox ]; then
  #  apulse /usr/bin/firefox "$@"
  /usr/bin/firefox "$@"
else
  1>&2 echo "Error: /usr/bin/firefox does not exist"
fi

~/bin is on my PATH variable in ~/.xsessionrc, ~/.bashrc, ~/.kshrc, ~/.profile, and so on. Probably redundantly so. But the result is that running 'firefox' from my homemade run dialogue program (launched via a shortcut in FVWM) will still use the script.
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# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ]; then
    PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"
fi

And agreed on your second point.

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post Sep 10 2020, 22:02
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QUOTE(dragontamer8740 @ Sep 7 2020, 21:04) *

I am really dreading the day when I can't use [addons.thunderbird.net] session manager anymore (drawing nearer all the time, since Mozilla seems to not care about making their new "extensions" system any good in the name of security).

Firefox laid off most of their security employees. And DevTools. And Servo. It's the MBAs in charge now and not the technologists.

Keep using Firefox as long as you can.

But Chrome has won. In 3rd place behind Edge, Firefox has about 7% of the market and continues to decline. Even Microsoft surrendered its browser engine to Chrome as Microsoft Edge is basically a version of Chrome. I don't use Chrome on e-hentai or sad panda. I don't need chrome phoning home to google as to which galleries and their topics I am looking at and for how long I am accessing each.

Mozilla has continually been laying off employees in past years. Just recently, the CEO said it was forced to layoff another 25% of its employees and restructure. There was also a statement made from mozilla that the age of everything being free is in the past and that their products need to become more commercially-minded. Mozilla got most of its funding from global search partnerships, but as its browser share of the marketplace declined, so did that partnership funding.

Google will have to keep funding Mozilla until it can find a better way to avoid being called a monopoly. In the meantime, the existence of FireFox and Apple's Safari keeps government monopoly regulators away. It would be ironic if FireFox faded away like the AMIGA and it was the existence of linux-based browser users that protected Google from being accused of having a monopoly in the browser market.
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post Sep 11 2020, 08:13
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QUOTE(Anime Janai @ Sep 10 2020, 16:02) *

Firefox laid off most of their security employees. And DevTools. And Servo. It's the MBAs in charge now and not the technologists.

Keep using Firefox as long as you can.
I am aware of this.
Also I use Seamonkey; FF is a backup when Seamonkey can't render a page properly due to being a bit behind.
QUOTE(Anime Janai @ Sep 10 2020, 16:02) *
But Chrome has won blah blah
I know. That was true even before the most recent layoffs.
QUOTE(Anime Janai @ Sep 10 2020, 16:02) *
Google will have to keep funding Mozilla until it can find a better way to avoid being called a monopoly. In the meantime, the existence of FireFox and Apple's Safari keeps government monopoly regulators away.
I somewhat doubt the regulators care anymore in 2020 like they did around 25 years ago. To them, Google is just a "Job Creator™."
QUOTE(Anime Janai @ Sep 10 2020, 16:02) *
It would be ironic if FireFox faded away like the AMIGA and it was the existence of linux-based browser users that protected Google from being accused of having a monopoly in the browser market.
No one all-caps 'Amiga.'
And I like netsurf.

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post Sep 11 2020, 19:16
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You can't regulate software.
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post Sep 11 2020, 20:57
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Sep 11 2020, 13:16) *

You can't regulate software.
You can, though. AT&T was required to not commercialize Unix back before it got broken up in the early 80's.
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In October 1973, Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson drove up the Hudson Valley to the new IBM Research Center at Yorktown Heights to deliver the first UNIX paper at the Symposium on Operating System Principles.

"It was a beautiful fall day," Dennis remarked. Ken, who delivered the paper, told me: "The audience was several hundred. I was pretty nervous. The response was the normal, polite applause. I don't recall any questions."

Ken was over-modest. The audience was quite enthusiastic. Ken and Dennis were immediately asked for copies of the new system.

This put the AT&T lawyers in a bind: was a computer operating system part of "common carrier communications services"? Was AT&T required to distribute UNIX?

The decision of the corporate lawyers was that Bell Labs should distribute UNIX to academic and research institutions at the cost of the media involved plus a shipping charge. Within a few months, several dozen institutions requested UNIX.

Also, more recently, courts could overturn software patent law and that would in effect be deregulating an existing regulation.

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post Sep 11 2020, 21:54
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I was talking from a coders perspective, not a corporation.

Besides, i wouldn't tolerate forced distribution, that's socialism.

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post Sep 12 2020, 00:32
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QUOTE(dragontamer8740 @ Sep 10 2020, 23:13) *

No one all-caps 'Amiga.'

All Commodore AMIGA boxes in the garage have AMIGA in all caps whereas other titles are merely capitalized. I bought new A2000 and A4000 AMIGA and kept their cardboard boxes out of sentimentality. I still carefully store things in those boxes. I used fasteners and not opaque tape to avoid obscuring any AMIGA product logos.
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post Sep 12 2020, 00:58
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QUOTE(Anime Janai @ Sep 11 2020, 18:32) *

All Commodore AMIGA boxes in the garage have AMIGA in all caps whereas other titles are merely capitalized. I bought new A2000 and A4000 AMIGA and kept their cardboard boxes out of sentimentality. I still carefully store things in those boxes. I used fasteners and not opaque tape to avoid obscuring any AMIGA product logos.

Okay. Two can play this game.
You must capitalize "DELL" when talking about "DELL" computers, too, then, right? Otherwise you're being inconsistent.
And BTW, here's the opening of my A500's instruction manual (which I just took a photo of and highlighted in an image editor).
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BTW, if you'd like to sell me an A4000 or A2000 I'm interested, though it sounds like you don't have the actual machines anymore, just the boxes.

Edit: updated picture, i forgot to highlight an "Amiga."

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post Sep 12 2020, 01:07
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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Sep 11 2020, 15:54) *

I was talking from a coders perspective, not a corporation.

Besides, i wouldn't tolerate forced distribution, that's socialism.


I have the uncensored version saved somewhere if anyone really wants it. It's just boobs is all.
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post Sep 12 2020, 19:54
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I like Firefox for personal business.

Chrome for general use, when I don't care what anyone sees.

Brave is for porn.

DuckDuckGo, Stands Fair and HTTPS Everywhere are okay for adds.


firefox was great until they fired all their security team.
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post Sep 12 2020, 23:40
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QUOTE(dragontamer8740 @ Sep 11 2020, 15:58) *

BTW, if you'd like to sell me an A4000 or A2000 I'm interested, though it sounds like you don't have the actual machines anymore, just the boxes.

As I said in that prior post about the SCSI scanner, if you were local to me, you could have it for free. You didn't respond, so I assumed you weren't local.
The last game I played on the AMIGA was Scorched Tanks
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firefox was great until they fired all their security team.

Security doesn't make money and the vast semi-literate masses don't seem to care much.
And as for privacy, it is gone because of users allowing companies to create the website standards, so there's no need for FireFox to keep a lot of hires there. Security is managed by what google and other websites allow because they have control of the language standards and website tool standards. Of course, they'd eventually create both language features and website data tracking methods resistant to concepts like cookie deletion. For example, SQLITE hides tracking items in windows for FireFox users. You probably have it installed and all your cookie and supercookie deletions won't stop the tracking of personal information and browsing habits while surfing the web. Info in cookies.sqlite database can be retrieved by the parent company. Where is it? For me, the file with cookies inside is at:
C:\Users\AnimeJanai\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\3xyzz12p.default\cookies.sqlite

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I stopped using firefox and opera ages ago when they changed rendering engines to webkit or blink or some other shit that was the same as chrome.

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QUOTE(Pillowgirl @ Sep 12 2020, 18:27) *

I stopped using firefox and opera ages ago when they changed rendering engines to webkit or blink or some other shit that was the same as chrome.
…But firefox hasn't changed rendering engines. It's still using Gecko (for the moment; they were transitioning to servo before they laid off everyone).
QUOTE(Anime Janai @ Sep 12 2020, 17:40) *

As I said in that prior post about the SCSI scanner, if you were local to me, you could have it for free. You didn't respond, so I assumed you weren't local.
Dang. And sorry for forgetting to respond; I live pretty far off (half the country or so away). You were correct to assume. I think I started writing a reply to that effect and then forgot about it for about a year.
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firefox was great until they fired all their security team.
It was great until Mozilla decided that extensibility and developer-friendliness didn't matter, and decided that it should be impossible to side-load extensions that they don't sign off on. So if you want to tweak an extension from someone, tough shit.

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(accidental doublepost again)

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…But firefox hasn't changed rendering engines. It's still using Gecko (for the moment; they were transitioning to servo before they laid off everyone).
Dang. And sorry for forgetting to respond; I live pretty far off (half the country or so away).oad extensions that they don't sign off on. So if you want to tweak an extension from someone, tough shit.

The reason I don't like to ship things is because I have long thrown their packing materials away. That means I have to basically re-create the shipping foam mountings to keep these things from being broken during shipping.
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