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I use both.

Personally I was using Firefox on desktop until a few months ago, but it started to get really sluggish and on some sites took >3 seconds to load each page for no reason. I've switched to Brave (uses chromium), which has the same open-source and privacy-focused nature as Firefox but has the speed of chromium.

the same open-source and privacy-focused nature as Firefox

Wrong. It only cares about ARM and Intel x86 CPU's.

Mozilla at least still accepts patches for other archs, and has a code-base that isn't as heavily and explicitly architecture-dependant. Despite the source code being available, the blink engine has historically not welcomed such community efforts.

Both are "open source," but their attitudes differ significantly. As much as I hate so many things Mozilla's done in recent times, I still respect them for that.

Try compiling any chromium-based browser on PowerPC/POWER, MIPS, or SPARC, and you'll see what I mean. Hope you like writing a new core for V8.

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Both are "open source," but their attitudes differ significantly. As much as I hate so many things Mozilla's done in recent times, I still respect them for that.

Try compiling any chromium-based browser on PowerPC/POWER, MIPS, or SPARC, and you'll see what I mean. Hope you like writing a new core for V8.

Naturally I'm a massive fan of Mozilla and what they stand for, but I use Windows and it's just a better experience at the moment because of the performance drops I've personally been having. I have no idea if it's some addon causing the problems, but I've done more than enough troubleshooting for it to be worth my time

Firefox is the only browser that has addons that make it usable for me, most notably Tree Style Tabs.
I use Chrome only for Gmail and sometimes YouTube.

Naturally I'm a massive fan of Mozilla and what they stand for, but I use Windows and it's just a better experience at the moment because of the performance drops I've personally been having. I have no idea if it's some addon causing the problems, but I've done more than enough troubleshooting for it to be worth my time

FireFox has a similar problem for me as well with privacy add-ons that I consider essential. If I visit youtube or any website with google's code mixed into the website's code, FireFox gets sluggish. Opening window's Task Manager, I see that FireFox is now continuously using a lot of CPU in addition to doing a lot of page writes and page reads. Writing and reading to the hard drive isn't amusing to my antivirus either as processes associated with it also increases I/O byte count and page reads as it scans for viruses. All of this makes my FireFox have a performance hit as Firefox slowly get slower and slower. Eventually, I have to close the Firefox process and restart it again. Clearing the cache or not clearing the cache doesn't have any beneficial effect towards the problem.

FireFox has a similar problem for me as well with privacy add-ons that I consider essential. If I visit youtube or any website with google's code mixed into the website's code, FireFox gets sluggish. Opening window's Task Manager, I see that FireFox is now continuously using a lot of CPU in addition to doing a lot of page writes and page reads. Writing and reading to the hard drive isn't amusing to my antivirus either as processes associated with it also increases I/O byte count and page reads as it scans for viruses. All of this makes my FireFox have a performance hit as Firefox slowly get slower and slower. Eventually, I have to close the Firefox process and restart it again. Clearing the cache or not clearing the cache doesn't have any beneficial effect towards the problem.

IDK man, sounds like more windows problems to me. Particularly the one where you actually use an antivirus.
I never experience any of these issues in Linux; I'm typing this in Firefox on a Powerbook from 2004 with 2GB DDR(1) RAM running Debian.

Maybe you should stop:
a) Using such invasive AV's
b) going places where you feel like you need an AV
c) (you mentioned this months ago) using CCleaner and related shit. Even in windows you can manage most of that yourself.

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Naturally I'm a massive fan of Mozilla and what they stand for, but I use Windows and it's just a better experience at the moment because of the performance drops I've personally been having. I have no idea if it's some addon causing the problems, but I've done more than enough troubleshooting for it to be worth my time

Do you use an antivirus? That could be part of it.

Also, try invoking firefox with '-P' (command line argument, note that it is a capital P), and then making and selecting a different fresh "profile." If that fixes your issue you can be assured it's not the browser's fault.

for old pc builder, ff was better due to v ram deficit

I use both Firefox and the Chromium-based Brave for my browsing. Chromium-based browsers appear to be more compatible with more sites because of the growing Chromium monopoly.

I can't say that I'm a fan of Firefox slowly losing market share but Mozilla's design and development decisions are leading to me loose faith in the project. For instance, I did not like the recent change of the address bar where its drop-down shows the user's commonly-used sites, if the bar is clicked on. Not a good look if you're sharing your screen during an online meeting.
Fortunately, there are settings to disable this but there aren't any for the 'magnified' address bar if you click on it.
That setting has been removed from about:config in a recent update.

IDK man, sounds like more windows problems to me.

Windows must have had a RAM shortage problem. I downloaded more
DDR4-2400 RAM and now have 32GB. Windows problem fixed.
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i almosted reported u brah

firefox

both use

My main browser is Firefox since like late 2004 or something.
Since the beginning I back up my Firefox when I switch computers.Basically my Firefox has endured thousands of apps add-ons and removing, and when something finally breaks I have to study what to modify in about:config to fix it.I always have like 400 open tabs, and some corners of the tabs haven't been visited in a decade.I'm too sentimental about losing something so I don't want to risk a refresh.I have compared my Firefox with other browsers and it runs like normal.
I do use Chrome on my right screen to watch Twitch videos while I browse on Firefox because it seems FF don't like it.Opera is also open because some image-boards and torrent sites are blocked in France so I made Opera my VPN browser.
When I do intensive video processing I browse on lightweight Vivaldi while it finishes, but meh, it's still sluggish even when only browsing e-hentai.

I always have like 400 open tabs, and some corners of the tabs haven't been visited in a decade.I'm too sentimental about losing something so I don't want to risk a refresh.

There are a few apps that allow saving of tabs and reloading them. Once you prove that works for you, you can then make changes as you wish and recover those tabs later.

Firefox, it doesn't crash like Google chrome does for me

There are a few apps that allow saving of tabs and reloading them. Once you prove that works for you, you can then make changes as you wish and recover those tabs later.

I am really dreading the day when I can't use [addons.thunderbird.net] session manager anymore (drawing nearer all the time, since Mozilla seems to not care about making their new "extensions" system any good in the name of security).

There are a couple hacky solutions that sort of work for newer firefox, but they all require significant tradeoffs.

Already, at some point between Seamonkey 2.49 and 2.53 firebug has pretty much stopped working, which isn't a huge deal due to the built-in tools being pretty similar, but I still liked Firebug's UI more.

Many of my other addons have no equivalents, and of those most cannot have analogous functionality in the new addon system. Additionally, there are several I wrote myself that cannot.

The most annoying of these is probably the addon I wrote that just changes the value of an about:config preference whenever it's button gets clicked; it just toggles back and forth. Accessing about:config is not allowed in the new API at all. I'm using it to change the default character encoding of webpages (when none is detected automatically) with a single click; specifically for some old SHIFT-JIS based webpages that don't set a 'content-encoding' header or any similar data in the HTML page. It's the kind of thing that I highly doubt would get any traction for adding to the API on the mailing list due to its limited uses and relative obscurity of the key. If anything it'd probably just make someone suggest removing the preference, based on recent experiences with Mozilla.

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thunderbird

Come to the side of pine and mutt - we have cookies.

Come to the side of pine and mutt - we have cookies.

99% of my mail is html and I get thousands from a bunch of mails, last time I remember this was very much not a good time in mutt. would this still be the case today?

on the topic of firefox v chrome, I despise everything google and chromium core based so that really only leaves me with firefox as usable option (I've tried all the forks over the years and it never works out). also chromium based ones dont allow stupidity on the level of my browser usage:
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that said though they're really trying lately to annoy me for still using firefox. most recently (version 79+?) they managed to mess up the process name in a way where pkill firefox no longer works and now I have to use pkill -f firefox to get it. its the small things wearing away at my sanity