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it'd certainly explain why Mozilla's consistently making their browser worse with each update

Website changes also drive changes in browsers. Does that make browsers "worse" as websites don't seem to try remaining compatible with older browser versions or other browsers not on the shortlist.

Some of today's major commerce websites no longer work for older browser versions which use features the old browsers can't handle. Generic old school browsers would fail even worse. I take old versions to sites like walmart.com, costco.com, and even a shirt/pants manufacturer in california that I've ordered stuff before, and manage to login to my accounts. But that's about all. I am unable to see many images that use the new website functions to put images on my browser display, and even if I have something in the shopping cart already put there by a different up to date browser, the old browser is unable to complete the transaction to checkout. And anytime that google captcha thing comes up, I am unable to finish the captcha successfully.

I wish everything was in html5 and webp/webm.

And people would get shot if they make a page larger then 1mb.

I wish everything was in html5 and webp/webm.

And people would get shot if they make a page larger then 1mb.

Agreed on the last point, but I also like APNG regarding the first.
And CSS is sometimes nice, unless you're including that with the "HTML5" bit.
And Seamonkey doesn't support WebP still because Mozilla broke so much other stuff around the same time as FF 65 launched and it has to be based on an older release of Gecko for now.

Website changes also drive changes in browsers. Does that make browsers "worse" as websites don't seem to try remaining compatible with older browser versions or other browsers not on the shortlist.

Some of today's major commerce websites no longer work for older browser versions which use features the old browsers can't handle. Generic old school browsers would fail even worse. I take old versions to sites like walmart.com, costco.com, and even a shirt/pants manufacturer in california that I've ordered stuff before, and manage to login to my accounts. But that's about all. I am unable to see many images that use the new website functions to put images on my browser display, and even if I have something in the shopping cart already put there by a different up to date browser, the old browser is unable to complete the transaction to checkout. And anytime that google captcha thing comes up, I am unable to finish the captcha successfully.

I am talking almost 100% about the reduced extensibility of Firefox now compared to in the past, as well as the reduced ability to change behavior via about:config.
This has been exacerbated by the killing of XUL overlay addons, which previously made FF more usable for me.

They also change the UI way too often. Firefox 2 had a perfectly good UI and every week they stray further from god's light.

The new URL bar in 75/76 nearly killed me. And all the snowballing userChrome.css modifications are getting harder and harder to manage. Just getting my tab bar on the bottom is harder with each update.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 22 2020, 22:18

I wish everything was in html5 and webp/webm.
And people would get shot if they make a page larger then 1mb.

You'd see major websites using 3rd party overlays (which most privacy and anti-spam and security add-ons currently prevent). The main website www.e-hentai.org would spend 999KB on building the structure of that webpage. Then www.e-hentai_01.org would 3rd party overlay 990KB of content on one section of that wepage. Then www.e-hentai_02.org would 3rd party overlay 990KB of content on another section of that webpage. Etcetera. Eventually, the webpage with 9MB of content and thumbnail images would be constructed. e-hentai would also have to refund the various hath perks that allow you to see many thumbnails, load the original images, and the one that displays the whole gallery on one webpage.

All those security addons preventing 3rd party loading would of course need to be scrapped and most users would abandon them because they want to be able to access websites such as news.google.com, their local newspaper website, their local TV news websites, or their state government websites which may load in 3.2MB of security stuff and apps to navigate their database-driven website just to look up laws. And people who visit amazon, costco.com, walmart.com, etecetera, would disable those addons that prevent 3rd party loading.

As unintended consequences go, freedom of speech sites like 4chan would reduce the size of their webpages to fit. So if a bunch of posts all contained some sort of image, then that webpage would only display a few messages per page display.

Another unintended consequence would be the return of "terminals" as a concept for websites. This is where you download an app for the browser. Your browser then issues a set of requests to download sections of the webpages as data modules. This gets around the webpage itself having more than 1MB of downloaded items as long as the website doesn't push items to the browser. It can handle requests for ZIP or LZH files though. The browser terminal then uncompresses the ZIP/LZH files and runs their code or displays the data into the appropriate locations on the terminal screen.

A Prohibition on webpages needing more than 1MB of download will be unpopular. Not only websites, but businesses, bloggers, and individuals will find ways to avoid Prohibition. The only good thing about 1MB limits and the penalty is that 90 percent of the population will have been shot dead (?) and the spread of SARS-CoV2 (covid-19) will stop due to lack of victims to infect. So, the 1MB webpage limit does that good feature of eliminating Covid-19. Maybe it should be eliminated now before Covid-19 spreads even more!

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I think it might have been only partially serious.

In theory I'd like smaller web pages though.

firefox

Firefox have more freedom, but sometimes crashes the nvidia driver on my pc.
Chrome is more stable. But not very personalizable.

Firefox, no hesitation!

FF keeps getting harder and harder to set up to my liking.

My userChrome.css file's now about 120 lines long and growing with each update as they make it harder to customize from within and make the default appearance ever more garish.

That said it still is better than Chrom(e/ium) which don't even have anything like that.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Jun 20 2020, 03:41

I like firefox just enough compared to the alternatives. that said the css file from 'Aris-t2' is indispensable.

This post has been edited by jeren_sky: Jun 21 2020, 02:04

Ungoogled Chromium for now, but I'm relying on web browsers less and less as time goes on.

+1 for Ungoogled Chromium
Its time for Firefox to be laid to rest.

Its time for the browser that still in spite of everything is the most expandible mainstream browser to be put to rest in favor of a comparatively user-hostile alternative that embraces the Blink/Webkit monoculture of neo-IE

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Jun 24 2020, 11:46

+1 for Ungoogled Chromium
Its time for Firefox to be laid to rest.

That would be unfortunate to go to a google-based browser.
Google is not the same neutral company that its founders created. They knew what could happen with the confluence of info and so they had enshrined in large words on the company wall "DO NO EVIL".

The new company became filled with liberal Social Justice Workers (SJW) and the company took a very liberal political viewpoint. Those words "Do No Evil" espoused many established ideas about privacy and other anti-political approaches to data, so they got in the way of these SJW. That was why that phrase was de-emphasized from the wall and the behavioural guidelines at the company.

The zeal to look through data while being guided by SJW viewpoints is a dangerous thing.

I've been using Edge recently and have been decently impressed by it, of course it's basically just another chromium browser but with the added feature that it's optimized to win10.

Between the other two options I would probably go with Firefox though.

chrome
Convenience

Isn't google's Chrome browser engine basically a monopoly on the PC and android machines at this point?
Firefox has declined way down and seems to be shrinking.

Thus, Firefox's waning presence plus Apple's existence continues to protect Google from being accused of monopoly status.

That would be unfortunate to go to a google-based browser.
Google is not the same neutral company that its founders created. They knew what could happen with the confluence of info and so they had enshrined in large words on the company wall "DO NO EVIL".

The new company became filled with liberal Social Justice Workers (SJW) and the company took a very liberal political viewpoint. Those words "Do No Evil" espoused many established ideas about privacy and other anti-political approaches to data, so they got in the way of these SJW. That was why that phrase was de-emphasized from the wall and the behavioural guidelines at the company.

The zeal to look through data while being guided by SJW viewpoints is a dangerous thing.

Firefox is no better in regards to being political when they're just software devs, I specified Degoogled Chromium as im against Google's monoply on the internet as a whole but want good performance. Check it out.

[github.com] https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

-chad

I switched to Firefox but still I dislike their extension safety policy, everything else is comfortable for me.

Should I switch to firefox?

Well, you have to choose whether you want a major browser or a niche browser as that affects how many plugins and apps you choose from. If you choose a a major browser engine, then you have FireFox or Chrome. If you want the biggest engine, then Chrome is the engine for Google's Chromium and Microsoft Edge. Would it be possible for you to download and run an old Internet Explorer browser? You could try, but it might fail to work on many modern websites as they implement new invasive marketing and "point of sale" technologies which in turn require browsers with the built-in code to run those invasive technologies.

In the first three decades of the internet, users' choices of browsers and viewing approaches dictated how websites responded in their development. But in the past ten years, websites and the browser engine makers like google dictated the evolution of website software to serve their purposes instead. Thus, the corporations became both the creator and the customer for browsers while the People were merely the customers accessing the websites and handing over their monetary transactions (cash, data, personal info, connection links, advertiser clicks, mindshare, created content, etc).

I chose Firefox instead of Chrome. To reduce invasiveness, I run both Ghostery and Noscript add-ons on Firefox and set DuckDuckGo as the main search engine.

For the majority of my browsing, I deliberately used an old "brain dead" version of Pale Moon version 27.x because that is missing the modern web extensions and code. I don't use any of the newer versions of Pale Moon and deliberately refuse to update it. With the old Pale Moon, if the websites can try to run the invasive code, then it fails. In return for , I cannot view a lot of material that requires those invasive routines to successfully run. But that is why I have FireFox for when I do need to see that other material or to purchase things from online retailers such as amazon or walmart.com. Otherwise, I use the old Pale Moon 27.x with the kludgey noscript. But wait, is that a memory leak? Well, nothing is perfect (other than Applejack).