[X] My Assistant

Dude you're not a student and this isn't a language class lol. And you aren't even asking a teacher.

How should I suppose to know everything when I was searching for help?

For me, he is a teacher.
He helps me and I share this useful guide.
I believe people like me will get help from this too.
That's my motive to post this topic.

This post has been edited by dingdin: Apr 27 2019, 06:24

guys, i'm letting this open because it's leading us to debate about "to wiki or not to wiki?" topic, and i think it's a good topic. let's stay on the productive side, spare your idealism for something that's worth it and nobody would need to feel touched by any comment in here.

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Apr 26 2019, 15:27

Sigh, I'm saying tox01 is more of a teaching assistant than a teacher in terms of his qualifications and knowledge he has in mage.

Let me put it this way. If he's written you a guide in melee, it would've been much better in quality and I wouldn't really have much to object to it. If this guide was given to you by, let's say, DJNoni, I'm sure it would've been a better, more extensive guide.

I believe people like me will get help from this too.

That's EXACTLY the point why this guide shouldn't be pinned. If other players like you try to do mage only from the information they get from this guide, it's not gonna really work out.

guys, i'm letting this open because it's leading us to debate about "to wiki or not to wiki?" topic, and i think it's a good topic. let's stay on the productive side, spare your idealism for something that's worth it and nobody would need to feel touched by any comment in here.

What do you mean by "to wiki or not to wiki?", tho? You mean whether what's written in this guide should be added to the wiki? I'd say no. We could make the wiki more extensive in its own way, but I wouldn't particularly recommend what's written in this guide to a new player.
Besides, he's just flat out against reading the wiki, so idk what good it will bring in that case as well.

This post has been edited by Saioux: Apr 26 2019, 15:31

I never said it's only for people who read everything from the wiki.

Hm, it kinda did sound like you did.

If one knows NOTHING from the wiki, anybody who answers their question will have to include basic things that's posted in the wiki.

So? When someone has a problem with that, he should just ignore such question and leave them to peoble who have no problem with that, like me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Well that's not good, period.

Not everyone does learn something the same way and some may prefer the way that does include human interaction, so you period there is just wrong, period. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) No, seriously, i admit it may not be the best way for everyone, but i like it that with wiki and the experts topic, we have multiple way for getting knowledge about the game, so everyone can use the way that is best for them. Wouldnt you agree?

I wasn't aware you were a mage expert now, Saioux.

You're putting an awful lot of argument into this based apparently entirely on the credibility of the source. Can you instead argue about what information is misleading or missing? If it can be found on the wiki, then we can discuss whether it's not presented clearly enough for newbies there, and if it can't, then we know what needs to be appended to it.

What's going on in this thread is downright hostile and completely unnecessary for anyone.

This post has been edited by lestion: Apr 26 2019, 15:32

Not everyone does learn something the same way and some may prefer the way that does include human interaction, so you period there is just wrong, period. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) No, seriously, i admit it may not be the best way for everyone, but i like it that with wiki and the experts topic, we have multiple way for getting knowledge about the game, so everyone can use the way that is best for them. Wouldnt you agree?

Where did you leave off "Coming to the thread with absolutely zero knowledge and ground for decision making and just absorbing everything everyone says?" this part? I said it's not good to not have one's own grounds for decision making and just blindly listening to what everyone says without any filtering.

It's got nothing to do with human interaction. I never argued against having human interactions to learn new things, I said you can't just take in everything blindly.

thread re-opened.

Where did you leave off "Coming to the thread with absolutely zero knowledge and ground for decision making and just absorbing everything everyone says?" this part? I said it's not good to not have one's own grounds for decision making and just blindly listening to what everyone says without any filtering.

It's got nothing to do with human interaction. I never argued against having human interactions to learn new things, I said you can't just take in everything blindly.

Tbh i am now unsure, if we both not talk completly past each other.

What i did understand and what i actually disagree with is "someone who has no idea about the game should go to the experts topic" and no this isnt any quote, but an examble for what i think you did sort of say. And all i wanted to say is "even someone who never was reading in the wiki and has no idea about the game, will get help in the experts topic".

So, do we talk past each other or not? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

thread re-opened.

Why was it even closed in the first place? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Why was it even closed in the first place? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

i felt it was derailing a bit.

I'd like to mention that the wiki is neither meant to be "human-like", nor there to tell you what to do, but to provide one with accurate information in the most neutral way possible. As a consequence, it can at best give some hints, some tips, but in no way it should influence a player in his decisions.

At best we can describe how the (more or less) popular styles are typically played, in a concise manner, but something like a long and detailed tutorial, step by step with choices to make, is a no-no. And even when describing a given playstyle, we should in no way write "use that, that and that", but "you can use this type of equipment if you want XXX, that type if you want YYY" and so on and so forth.

We wiki contributors do are aware that the parts around "getting started" and a few various guides are outdated, not written the best way possible (and not even in a way that we think is easy to grasp), and that they need some refresh. Unfortunately, all of us are rather busy with both IRL and other HV matters that are more urgent.

At least, the redesigning of the said parts of the wiki is in the todo. The issue is when we will be able to do it.

I was luck enough that I received a guide letter
I post it in there hoping it will help others too.

do not publish personal messages in the public domain, it is not polite

the guide looks useful to me, at least I would leave it in the ask the experts thread so people can find it along with the other posts when seaching for specific information

This thread is helpful. I never had any luck in the past playing mage style and am thinking of trying it again so I can sail through battles like the braggy mages do. I don't have any good equips for it and never grasped how to do it. It'll never be my permanent playing style but keep up with the info so I can try and understand it better.

Content update!
Add more helpful information to help you ! (maybe)
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I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going...


I'd like to request moderators (or someone else) to take the relevant bits and write it in good language as a real guide/advices.

I'd like to request starting/poor mage players to share their experience, confirm/deny information, provide other tips and tricks.

To create a good real guide together...

Thank you.

I'd like to request moderators (or someone else) to take the relevant bits and write it in good language as a real guide/advices.

I'd like to request starting/poor mage players to share their experience, confirm/deny information, provide other tips and tricks.

To create a good real guide together...

All rights reserved for you
If you like, do anything you want.

I am nothing but a newbie too.

This post has been edited by dingdin: Apr 27 2019, 07:53

It's useful advice. It's a bit lengthy, too much text for my taste. The wiki advice_advanced has the same objective, but a bit less details. Do they matter? Depends on personal taste. Some people want to find out stuff by themselves, others just ask the experts on the forum, and a small group first reads the wiki. If you want, we can put this in the first pages of the ask the eperts thread.

do not publish personal messages in the public domain, it is not polite

I've think twice before I post it. This specific messages are wrote for newbies(including me)

If you want, we can put this in the first pages of the ask the experts thread.

You are welcome.
Consider tox01's thoughts, I don't think this topic good enough to deserve that.
Above all, his thoughts should have higher priority over mine.

This post has been edited by dingdin: Apr 27 2019, 10:27

Another tips:
- Use Featherweight Shard (Forge - Enchant; 60 min; costs ~100 credits) on your staff to decrease or completely remove Burden. It'll increase your Evade chance.
Same if you're rocking 1H Mage style with Weapon and Shield (use on both).

- At some point when you're not so poor it'll be nice to buy Enigma Energizer Hath perk (costs 200 Hath). It doubles damage bonus from Riddlemaster and increases duration to 50 turns.
With mage's high action speed actual bonus will stretch to 100 and more actions. It'll provide nice damage boost from time to time.


Edit: Hath perk

This post has been edited by tox01: Apr 27 2019, 11:13

the guide looks useful to me

This thread is helpful.

Content Update!
I hope you can find something new and interesting in here!
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This post has been edited by dingdin: Apr 28 2019, 06:00