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Assuming the common axioms of mathematics:
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Thus are people in regards to words like NlGGER. Some (usually those less educated - though more educated than the crudest ones; they would be the analogue of the calculus student: knows the basics, and is now starting the understand the new complexities) believe NlGGER to be an abhorrence on society, and should be extinguished, while others (the more experienced) understand they're both just ways to express the same thing, though one may be crude, and the other complex, the end result is the same, and you just waste your time trying to be pc.

I don't think the analogy is valid in this case, as it's focusing only on understanding these issues by reason, while in my opinion the way the words and sounds or curses interact with our minds are more basic, likely mostly bypassing the cerebral cortex.

I don't think the analogy is valid in this case, as it's focusing only on understanding these issues by reason, while in my opinion the way the words and sounds or curses interact with our minds are more basic, likely mostly bypassing the cerebral cortex.

See, the difference here is that I'm presenting my point with what seems to me like proof (or rather an analogous axiom), while you're just presenting theories without specifying why or how they apply. There is nothing wrong with your approach, just, it's difficult to debate points in that manner. I'm not trying to criticize you, merely stating that I'd prefer you to present some proof or at least an analogous axiom, otherwise there is nothing I can try to disprove.*

Nonetheless, I will try to reply. Our entire societal existence has been an attempt to overcome the id. We forgo our most basic to be able to create a society of reason, as can be seen through our behavior: man forgoes urges to comply with standards; we cannot merely masturbate in public when we see a hot woman, for instance**. Therefore, we as humans should appreciate the idea of synonymous words, given reason; one could assume that one who does is civilized, while another who screams "OH NOES! NIGUH IS BAD WORDS WE MUST MAIK ILLEGUL DURP" is succumbing to his primal instinct, and being a direct analogy of the student I presented in my previous post: he knows enough to not take his pants off and eat his food with his ass, but apparently not enough to take offense at something primal.


* I really don't know why when I try to rebuke kindly, it always reads as if I'm attacking the person. I did not mean an attack here. Just asking for proof.

** Well, we can, just we go to jail, where Bubba masturbates to us in public. And by masturbate, I mean anally assault.

I'm not sure we're presenting differing points of view, we're just talking about different things. You state that a civilized person should take the words at their rational value and disregard the more primal impulses brought about by their mere sound. I'm only saying that the words seem to us different because they interact differently with basic parts of our brains.
I prefer to approach the matter from biology/neurobiology perspective, as Freud's terms and psychology in general seem to me more like fantasies of psychologists than like science.
I'm not a neurobiologist however, and not acquainted enough with their jargon to be able to present anything close to a coherent argument for what I stated. I just mostly state impressions the books like "The Developing Mind" made on me.

You have been excellent and I have been a plague, but these are difficult times for all of us and whatever savings we can squeeze it always helps. I bet you'd do the same in my position. Hopefully in a couple of years things will get better, I will get rich and pay for your wedding to a nice, tall, dark haired, macho looking German with a good attitude. I just want to be invited for the banquet because I'm addicted to food... GOOD FOOD.

Take care,

Love Max

I had a customer write that to me today. Where ever you are, Max... you made my day. I wish you all the best forever. Be sure of it.

Be fucking sure of it.

My main problem with neurology is that with all its science, it solves less problems than psychology. Migraines, chronic headaches, depression, schizophrenia, dissociative identity disorder, bipolar disorder, etc. None of these can be cured through neurology, just sometimes kept in check for a little while under heavy medication (and mind you, this is the stuff neurology should cure. Conversely, psychology finds the root of the problem, and downright cures a number of these. In terms of effectiveness, psychology is winning this battle, no matter how hogwashy it seems.

And no, we aren't speaking of differing points. You're saying the affect different parts of the brain, I'm saying regardless of what the affect, we can control it, and not act like boors about it. Furthermore, you must realize language is our creation, and saying that that word has to affect that part of the brain is thus false: that part of the brain is only affected if it is trained to be affected. Were history different, and "NlGGER" was replaced with "dust-bunny", that part would just fire off after "dust-bunny". If we can train it to take a word to be offensive, we can train it to not do so.

I had a customer write that to me today. Where ever you are, Max... you made my day. I wish you all the best forever. Be sure of it.

Be fucking sure of it.

You like tall, macho German wimmins?

What the hell is going on?

You like tall, macho German wimmins?

It just occured to me that he might not know that I am a man. My name can either be male or - with a small addition - female.

I definitely should take advantage of that.

I hate how i always need to [z0r.de] spin around in my chair, although i'm getting sick and dizzy of it so easily... :/
Stupid urges.....

My main problem with neurology is that with all its science, it solves less problems than psychology. Migraines, chronic headaches, depression, schizophrenia, dissociative identity disorder, bipolar disorder, etc. None of these can be cured through neurology, just sometimes kept in check for a little while under heavy medication (and mind you, this is the stuff neurology should cure. Conversely, psychology finds the root of the problem, and downright cures a number of these. In terms of effectiveness, psychology is winning this battle, no matter how hogwashy it seems.

In my personal experience, psychology was worse than faith, ie. it presented a scientific-like front, but in practice it turned out to be rain-dancing and confession machine, just like shamanism and various holy churches. On the other hand, books on neurobiology helped me understand the world and fix myself to some extent.
I'm not current on world statistics in faith-healing, but on this subject my personal experience seems more relevant to me.

And no, we aren't speaking of differing points. You're saying the affect different parts of the brain, I'm saying regardless of what the affect, we can control it, and not act like boors about it. Furthermore, you must realize language is our creation, and saying that that word has to affect that part of the brain is thus false: that part of the brain is only affected if it is trained to be affected. Were history different, and "NlGGER" was replaced with "dust-bunny", that part would just fire off after "dust-bunny". If we can train it to take a word to be offensive, we can train it to not do so.

Yes, we can control what the word that has lots of such passion attached will be - but we can't remove all such words from the language. However you try, there will always be a new word, chosen and adopted for passion-bearer by people. Because the way we're built, we need such words to regulate our emotions.

In my personal experience, psychology was worse than faith, ie. it presented a scientific-like front, but in practice it turned out to be rain-dancing and confession machine, just like shamanism and various holy churches. On the other hand, books on neurobiology helped me understand the world and fix myself to some extent.
I'm not current on world statistics in faith-healing, but on this subject my personal experience seems more relevant to me.

You're basically saying here it doesn't work because you think it doesn't work. Science is as man made as psychology. Though Lord Kelvin was right, it's not a science if it doesn't have numbers. Though just because it lacks the arbitrary concept of numbers some dude created when he was bored thousands of years ago, doesn't mean it's erroneous. Science doesn't mean right, which is why it's been rewritten so many times (calculus, quantum mechanics, all of medicine every 25 years or so, etc). Numbers don't make it right, lack of numbers don't make it wrong. You're putting your entire faith in a base of axioms, and you really shouldn't, sir.

Yes, we can control what the word that has lots of such passion attached will be - but we can't remove all such words from the language. However you try, there will always be a new word, chosen and adopted for passion-bearer by people. Because the way we're built, we need such words to regulate our emotions.

We can do it if we reeducate people. Cut the problem at the root. Tell me how some societies such as Japan or Native Americans lacked these taboo words, if you say we can't live without them? Or are you going to say they were uncivilized? Because as far as I can tell, those societies are much more civilized than anything we have today.

I say that we should move this conversation to the topic of big floppy dongs. Who here loves big floppy dongs?

You're basically saying here it doesn't work because you think it doesn't work. Science is as man made as psychology. Though Lord Kelvin was right, it's not a science if it doesn't have numbers. Though just because it lacks the arbitrary concept of numbers some dude created when he was bored thousands of years ago, doesn't mean it's erroneous. Science doesn't mean right, which is why it's been rewritten so many times (calculus, quantum mechanics, all of medicine every 25 years or so, etc). Numbers don't make it right, lack of numbers don't make it wrong. You're putting your entire faith in a base of axioms, and you really shouldn't, sir.

Science is all about peer review, and being able to repeat another person's results. In psychology, you have some people with talent, who can help others, but usually they have no idea how they do it, even though they sometimes think they know. When somebody does something great, they're no way to know why this worked, no way to repeat it, no way to analyze it. There's only a bunch of ideas and fantasies, which then diverge into different warring schools of psychology.

The tragedy of this is that nowadays psychology seems to be considered a science by the general public. That is, you have universities that give nicely sounding titles like doctor or professor, and there's no way to check if people who are getting these titles are really people with talent, or just those with good memory and a talent for successfully filling out psychology tests, and posing as knowledgeable people. And then such people testify in courts as "experts" on human thoughts, and are allowed to keep other people locked up because of such and such fantasy. It's everything priests in the medieval times did in the name of religion, only it's now disguised as a pseudo-science.

I'm not putting my faith in anything - when I want to understand something in science, I go and check it. When I want to check something out, for me, in psychology, then it turns out there's nothing solid to check there. There's just people's faith that it works in general, and not just with specific practitioner and patient - like in God's miracles.

We can do it if we reeducate people. Cut the problem at the root. Tell me how some societies such as Japan or Native Americans lacked these taboo words, if you say we can't live without them?

[citation needed] . It's the first time I hear of any language lacking taboo words - Japanese certainly has them now, and I'd like to learn how their absence was conclusively verified, and not just assumed through lack of sources.
If they were lacking taboo words, I assume that something else was used for the role those words have now. I don't believe it can be eradicated, no more than katharsis can. But words seem very well suited for the purpose, so I'm curious if any language really lacked such words in the past.

Science is all about peer review, and being able to repeat another person's results. In psychology, you have some people with talent, who can help others, but usually they have no idea how they do it, even though they sometimes think they know [opinion]. When somebody does something great, they're no way to know why this worked, no way to repeat it, no way to analyze it [it's called a case study]. There's only a bunch of ideas and fantasies, which then diverge into different warring schools of psychology.[And that's like, your opinion, man]

The tragedy of this is that nowadays psychology seems to be considered a science by the general public. That is, you have universities that give nicely sounding titles like doctor or professor, and there's no way to check if people who are getting these titles are really people with talent, or just those with good memory and a talent for successfully filling out psychology tests[This is for everything, including medicine, engineering, and education], and posing as knowledgeable people. And then such people testify in courts as "experts" on human thoughts[source of an expert without life experience and credentials outside of school needed], and are allowed to keep other people locked up because of such and such fantasy[proof it is someone's fantasy needed]. It's everything priests in the medieval times did in the name of religion, only it's now disguised as a pseudo-science.

I'm not putting my faith in anything - when I want to understand something in science, I go and check it. When I want to check something out, for me, in psychology, then it turns out there's nothing solid to check there. There's just people's faith that it works in general, and not just with specific practitioner and patient - like in God's miracles[opinion].

[citation needed]

Really sir, you say citation needed to my point, and go on to fabricate things and use opinion as proof. Furthermore, your reply lacked any talk of floppy dongs. I am disappointed.

[citation needed] . It's the first time I hear of any language lacking taboo words - Japanese certainly has them now, and I'd like to learn how their absence was conclusively verified, and not just assumed through lack of sources.
If they were lacking taboo words, I assume that something else was used for the role those words have now. I don't believe it can be eradicated, no more than katharsis can. But words seem very well suited for the purpose, so I'm curious if any language really lacked such words in the past.

Please enlighten me to a racial Japanese slur. Please do. Do they call African-Americans, NlGGERS? Do they call Mexicans, wetbacks? Jews, kikes? The worst they have is Gaijin, which literally translates to outside person; it has nowhere near the connotation wetback does.

You might be thinking of Japanese swearwords, which has nothing to do with this discussion. And even so, the worse they amount to is the English equivalent of "peepee" and "vagina".

As for the Native Americans, for the most part (exceptions exist), they saw no bad with the white man, and in most cases revered them, until the white man proved them wrong, by being total douches (read on the Mexican Indigenous culture for further info).

This post has been edited by noahbody: Aug 6 2011, 03:03

White people are total douches.





LOL, this the the Whites Only LTYT thread.

White people are total douches.
LOL, this the the Whites Only LTYT thread.

I'm not white. What am I doing here, then?

Also, somewhat related, but what are your thoughts on big floppy dongs, Cmal?

I'm not white either and I post here all the time. Sticking it to whitey.

I don't really have an opinion on big floppy dongs. I guess it depends on the context of the situation.

KILL WHITEY!

I don't really have an opinion on big floppy dongs. I guess it depends on the context of the situation.

How do you feel about floppy dong Chinese men named Dong?

How do you feel about floppy dong Chinese men named Dong?

I once knew a Chinese fellow by the name of Lee Long Wang. True story.