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Aug 30 2017, 17:09
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(buimon @ Aug 30 2017, 17:04)  ...OK, to prepare for mage, what equips should I start gathering? Now staffs I have are this and this. I don't think they come with suffixes though. which style? QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 30 2017, 17:04)  I wanted to ask, at what level range is it recommended to use full Shade in DW?
you may start to switch now, just don't expect high difficulties at the start. but by lv... uh... 320~350? you may be able to do PF arenas QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 30 2017, 17:04)  Also, from the +300 level it is still advisable to use DW?
what do you exactly mean? if it's still a good style? answer is yes. if it's the best style available? nope. you may want to give 1H a try.
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Aug 30 2017, 17:36
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rokyroky
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Oh great! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . For now my max is IWTBH, although it has not been tested with full Shade. I'll see how it goes. That clears my doubts. I just did not want to get to lv 320 and realize that DW is not that efficien x_x t. But now I confirm that it is not so ^^ This post has been edited by rokyroky: Aug 30 2017, 17:37
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Aug 30 2017, 17:39
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rokyroky
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And since I am, what about DW for Grindfest? Is it possible to do Hellfest or higher with DW?
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Aug 30 2017, 17:44
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(rokyroky @ Aug 30 2017, 17:36)  Oh great! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . For now my max is IWTBH, although it has not been tested with full Shade. I'll see how it goes. That clears my doubts. I just did not want to get to lv 320 and realize that DW is not that efficien x_x t. But now I confirm that it is not so ^^ ah ok, good. then switching to shade will make you lose some of your mitigations (all of piercing, in particular) but will raise your ADB, your Evade and possibly your Crit (depending on which prefix/suffix you can find). to boost these effects, Fleet/Shadowdancer suffixes and Savage prefix are preferrable it will still be less efficient than 1H, but you'll be able to complete arenas and IWs in the end. This post has been edited by Scremaz: Aug 30 2017, 17:45
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Aug 30 2017, 17:57
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rokyroky
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 30 2017, 17:44)  ah ok, good. then switching to shade will make you lose some of your mitigations (all of piercing, in particular) but will raise your ADB, your Evade and possibly your Crit (depending on which prefix/suffix you can find).
to boost these effects, Fleet/Shadowdancer suffixes and Savage prefix are preferrable it will still be less efficient than 1H, but you'll be able to complete arenas and IWs in the end.
I am aware of the loss of mitigations. I will try to get with those suffixes, although from what I've seen in WTS on my level there are not many Mag and Leg to choose from. While I can Arenas and IWs by now is enough ^^
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Aug 30 2017, 18:03
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buimon
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 30 2017, 08:09)  which style?
Sorry, it is " not come with appropriate suffixes" in my last post. Anyway, I have not study the mage playstyle yet and it seems that wiki does not contain enough info for newbie to start mage. Could anyone tell how mage is played in recent versions? So far, I only know Holy or Dark is a better choice. But I guess those equips are more expensive. Is Wind/Elec still an OK option for me at around 350?
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Aug 30 2017, 18:46
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Draw99Gray
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I started a fire mage because their equipment is easier to find and cheaper. For now, grinding proficiencies. Which elemental style is recommended? and types of staffs recommended for each playstyle with their prefixes & suffixes
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Aug 30 2017, 19:38
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Noni
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QUOTE(Draw99Gray @ Aug 30 2017, 18:46)  I started a fire mage because their equipment is easier to find and cheaper. For now, grinding proficiencies. Which elemental style is recommended? and types of staffs recommended for each playstyle with their prefixes & suffixes
This you can find in the wiki , advice and advice advanced. It's too much detail to type on mobile
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Aug 30 2017, 20:00
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sickentide
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 30 2017, 12:08)  LARD (gloves), LARN (gloves) and LARE (full phase) are nearly just as good (difference is minimal, rolls are probably more important).
it's good to hear that staffs of the elementalist are viable, since i dropped a nice fiery one recently that i plan to go full phase with
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Aug 30 2017, 20:11
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Noni
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QUOTE(sickentide @ Aug 30 2017, 20:00)  it's good to hear that staffs of the elementalist are viable, since i dropped a nice fiery one recently that i plan to go full phase with
That's one of the merits of the new patch: full phase is now possible! I wonder if we'll see a rise in elemental staff price?
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Aug 30 2017, 21:05
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Muddybug
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 30 2017, 08:13)  Not only power, all slaughter - at some point 1H becomes overprotective, so the only thing you would care is damage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) 280 1H + heavy can do RE PFUDOR, IMO not well. Typically gear and stats are the two issues. RE PFUDOR doesn't begin to need slaughter armor. A set of decent magnificent+legendary power protection/warding pieces should be enough. In the low 300s you start getting enough HPs and enough PABs from your gear to better handle RE PFUDOR. So much depends on personal stats and perks that YMMV. The only thing I suspect 1H + Heavy folks can't do easily without slaughter pieces are complete PFfests. Μμ double d y
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Aug 30 2017, 21:09
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 30 2017, 20:11)  That's one of the merits of the new patch: full phase is now possible! I wonder if we'll see a rise in elemental staff price?
Elementalist staves always could go full-phase since they have no problem going over 0.7 prof without prof pieces.
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Aug 30 2017, 22:42
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KitsuneAbby
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QUOTE(buimon @ Aug 30 2017, 08:57)  Hmmm...After AFK at version0.6x, I just come back for 2 weeks, because I realize I got some haths to waste... And I did.
Questions: Recently I bought pony cannon. I suppose I would continue 1-H until at least 400. Playing at IWBTH is somewhat safe now, though T&T usually takes 20+min to deal with. I use cannon when there are more than 8 monsters, and stab the remaining schoolgirl slowly...Then how can I speed up? Do I use cannon the right way? Should I save haths for Manehattan Project? And when should I try PFUDOR?
You're doing it very wrong. With 1H, you should never use OFC to begin with in SG arenas. Just stab the SGs to death while the rest suicides on your shield.
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Aug 30 2017, 23:03
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buimon
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 30 2017, 13:42)  You're doing it very wrong. With 1H, you should never use OFC to begin with in SG arenas. Just stab the SGs to death while the rest suicides on your shield.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Finally my question is answered. Thx!
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Aug 30 2017, 23:21
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DCFulano
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I just switched from 2H to 1H. How good is Savage Power (non slaughter) gear for 1H compared to Slaughter. It's a significant difference? Is worth to invest on it if I already have soulfused a full set of savage? or should I focus my savings on a high ADB rapier of slaughter?
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Aug 30 2017, 23:25
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Uncle Stu
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QUOTE(DCFulano @ Aug 30 2017, 23:21)  I just switched from 2H to 1H. How good is Savage Power (non slaughter) gear for 1H compared to Slaughter. It's a significant difference? Is worth to invest on it if I already have soulfused a full set of savage? or should I focus my savings on a high ADB rapier of slaughter?
Well that is a hard decision. Savage gives you higher crit damage, but without high damage to beginn with, you dont get that much of an increase out of it. I thought a while about this and i think, when are not able to effort a savage slaughter set, but savage and slaughter equipment, the best idea would be to mix them up. And focus on a high ADB rapier is never wrong, if your weapon is shit, i suggest improve the weapon first and take a look at your armor later on.
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Aug 30 2017, 23:27
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DCFulano @ Aug 30 2017, 23:21)  I just switched from 2H to 1H. How good is Savage Power (non slaughter) gear for 1H compared to Slaughter. It's a significant difference? Is worth to invest on it if I already have soulfused a full set of savage? or should I focus my savings on a high ADB rapier of slaughter?
well, savage prefix is preferrable whenever appliable. but general consensuous is that Slaughter > Savage non-Slaughter. guess this comes because crit are more random than standard ADB QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 30 2017, 23:25)  when are not able to effort a savage slaughter set, but savage and slaughter equipment, the best idea would be to mix them up. [...] i suggest improve the weapon first and take a look at your armor later on.
uhu
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Aug 30 2017, 23:39
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DCFulano
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QUOTE(Uncle Stu @ Aug 30 2017, 16:25)  Well that is a hard decision. Savage gives you higher crit damage, but without high damage to beginn with, you dont get that much of an increase out of it. I thought a while about this and i think, when are not able to effort a savage slaughter set, but savage and slaughter equipment, the best idea would be to mix them up. And focus on a high ADB rapier is never wrong, if your weapon is shit, i suggest improve the weapon first and take a look at your armor later on.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 30 2017, 16:27)  well, savage prefix is preferrable whenever appliable. but general consensuous is that Slaughter > Savage non-Slaughter. guess this comes because crit are more random than standard ADB uhu
Nice, thanks
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