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post Aug 3 2017, 07:31
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What is the best technique to use to increase 2H prof without extra training or Hath Perks?
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post Aug 3 2017, 07:36
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QUOTE(Gambit126 @ Aug 3 2017, 07:31) *

What is the best technique to use to increase 2H prof without extra training or Hath Perks?


grinding.
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post Aug 3 2017, 07:36
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mace in the last arenas :/
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post Aug 3 2017, 08:01
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QUOTE(Gambit126 @ Aug 3 2017, 13:31) *

What is the best technique to use to increase 2H prof without extra training or Hath Perks?


i goes this way

find a trash 2H weapon and suicidal make it with 0 durability

under this situation your hold a “air weapon” make you get lowest 2H damage

wear full set of plate armor to make sure you as hard as granite

then go to hit monster with “air weapon” as more as you can

sounds like funny joke but i really did it and it was effective

not my original idea

i forget who teach me this trick but this guy is extraordinary
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post Aug 3 2017, 08:51
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 02:01) *

i goes this way

find a trash 2H weapon and suicidal make it with 0 durability

under this situation your hold a “air weapon” make you get lowest 2H damage

wear full set of plate armor to make sure you as hard as granite

then go to hit monster with “air weapon” as more as you can


Huh, that makes a lot of sense. Really stamina efficient too, I like it.

Now I just have to break all of my training weapons by throwing my naked body at a bunch of monsters!
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post Aug 3 2017, 09:39
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Aug 3 2017, 07:01) *

for Dark mage.

Dark/Wind/Elec.

Best staff would be the fiery of surtr but I'm under the impression that manga522 doesn't really want to play fire mage.
The other alternatives are probably pretty similar, two staves with wrong prefixes and a focus one.
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post Aug 3 2017, 09:50
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 3 2017, 15:39) *

Dark/Wind/Elec.

Best staff would be the fiery of surtr but I'm under the impression that manga522 doesn't really want to play fire mage.
The other alternatives are probably pretty similar, two staves with wrong prefixes and a focus one.



for the purpose of grinding @ IWBTH

is the fire performing good than other wrong prefixes staff ?

i only recognize fire is weakest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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post Aug 3 2017, 10:15
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 09:50) *

for the purpose of grinding @ IWBTH

is the fire performing good than other wrong prefixes staff ?

i only recognize fire is weakest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

A good staff is much more important than the element choosen.
For elemental mage you can pretty much completely disregard the element, the only real difference is Willow vs Redwood, with Willow being significantly better with deprecating spells (imperil).
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post Aug 3 2017, 10:24
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 3 2017, 00:30) *

Your point being?
Since people actually read this very thread to be informed about HV what we really want here is clear answers, math backing up reasoning, things like that.
Being sarcastic because you did not know why people with three digit M credits can't be arsed to bid on a fiery rapier it's not making this thread looks good.
You can just check Scremaz post for reference, he read my post, understood what I meant, concluded that super-rich people simply have different priorities and still thinks that the Peerless fiery rapier of slaughter is a fucking good rapier (which it is, just not the best, like a 50.5 ADB rapier is not a 51.33 ADB rapier, and if you have enough credits to get the latter you're probably not interested in the former).


I demand an apology.

Just like everyone, I don't appreciate being called out dumb and various unpleasant names by someone who sets a one-sided discussion, disrespects his interlocutor, refuses to acknowledge his point of view, assumes that his interlocutor doesn't read/understand. Especially when I get all of this for free while I did absolutely nothing wrong.

SO:
1) I did understand what you wrote
2) Unlike you, I do have humour, but I admit that I did make the error to assume that you had too. What am I expecting, I was told that these forums were meant to be friendly and all...
3) Someone ignoring something doesn't make him stupid, nor being unelligible to say what he thinks about it.
4) Likewise, giving out many numbers doesn't make anyone any more clever than others either.
5) "what we really want here is clear answers, math backing up reasoning" OK, you're tasked to clean 95% of the content of this thread then.

Do I have to expand about how that post of yours is certainly not what this thread needs?

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post Aug 3 2017, 10:57
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 3 2017, 16:15) *

A good staff is much more important than the element choosen.
For elemental mage you can pretty much completely disregard the element, the only real difference is Willow vs Redwood, with Willow being significantly better with deprecating spells (imperil).



i didn't understand really

without imperil its difficult to break monster resistance with my character

so i have to cast imperil first seems my only choose is Willow type

but i saw these player using different staff Holy Focus and Arctic Heimdall

they doing very well but all of them choose the holy element not fire and wind also Ork kinda like Willow has extra anti-resist ( is this point? )

i am really confused

i consider this stage of my gameplay is focus in the grinding capability @ IWBTH only

not dominate over(like PHOH or PTWD PDWD )

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post Aug 3 2017, 11:32
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 10:57) *

without imperil its difficult to break monster resistance with my character

so i have to cast imperil first seems my only choose is Willow type

No, who gave you this idea?
A being better than B does not make B useless.
DJNoni are other users are successfully playing imperil mage with redwoods.
Maybe they are 300 or so turns less efficient in a full Fest, but does that really make non-willow useless?
I wouldn't say so.
(also a wrong prefixed staff probably loses more turns because of the lack of damage)

QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 10:57) *
they doing very well but all of them choose the holy element not fire and wind also Ork kinda like Willow has extra anti-resist ( is this point? )

Holy is and will always be very popular since it has the best proc between element.
But it's also the most expensive and the least defensive.

This was a discussion on this topic

QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 10:57) *
i consider this stage of my gameplay is focus in the grinding capability @ IWBTH only

Then probably Fire is the way to go since you already have a good staff and fire phase is pretty cheap.

Also I apologize for the thread derailing, I've regretfully put the user in my ignore list since it seems to me that he is takes this matter personally (which is far from my intent) and I don't have the time to deal with this (and it's probably the better solution for both).
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post Aug 3 2017, 11:35
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 10:57) *

i didn't understand really

without imperil its difficult to break monster resistance with my character

so i have to cast imperil first seems my only choose is Willow type

but i saw these player using different staff Holy Focus and Arctic Heimdall

they doing very well but all of them choose the holy element not fire and wind also Ork kinda like Willow has extra anti-resist ( is this point? )

i am really confused

i consider this stage of my gameplay is focus in the grinding capability @ IWBTH only

not dominate over(like PHOH or PTWD PDWD )


Short answer: redwood is great. Works great. I clear PFfests in 1hr10min. Cold is similar to fire. Your surtr staff is pretty good. Very good in fact. 15m worth of good. Other staffs are nice for getting started up but will not allow you PFfests in 1hr10min.
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post Aug 3 2017, 11:54
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Are 2 handed sword and heavy armors a bad combination?
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post Aug 3 2017, 12:28
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Aug 3 2017, 17:32) *

No, who gave you this idea?
A being better than B does not make B useless.
DJNoni are other users are successfully playing imperil mage with redwoods.
Maybe they are 300 or so turns less efficient in a full Fest, but does that really make non-willow useless?
I wouldn't say so.
(also a wrong prefixed staff probably loses more turns because of the lack of damage)

Holy is and will always be very popular since it has the best proc between element.
But it's also the most expensive and the least defensive.

This was a discussion on this topic
Then probably Fire is the way to go since you already have a good staff and fire phase is pretty cheap.

Also I apologize for the thread derailing, I've regretfully put the user in my ignore list since it seems to me that he is takes this matter personally (which is far from my intent) and I don't have the time to deal with this (and it's probably the better solution for both).



QUOTE(DJNoni @ Aug 3 2017, 17:35) *

Short answer: redwood is great. Works great. I clear PFfests in 1hr10min. Cold is similar to fire. Your surtr staff is pretty good. Very good in fact. 15m worth of good. Other staffs are nice for getting started up but will not allow you PFfests in 1hr10min.




fucking awesome !!!

yous guys were really save me out of this morass !

i fucking thank you guys Triple Times !!!

i fucking goin fire mage style and i gonna burn the mobs fucking down to the deepest of hell yeah i will

edit: be chill the fire staff is not destruction type is that matters ???

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post Aug 3 2017, 12:38
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 3 2017, 10:24) *

I get all of this for free while I did absolutely nothing wrong.

i've been called a north-korean dictator and a bunch of other random insults for having been done what i should've done. cheers.

either way, i really suggest you not to take things written on a forum too seriously or too personally

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post Aug 3 2017, 12:39
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QUOTE(Paff444 @ Aug 3 2017, 17:54) *

Are 2 handed sword and heavy armors a bad combination?



start with 2H longsword i good but you need use one-hand + shield after reach 100+


i play 2H @ 1-200 than switch into one-hand + shield
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post Aug 3 2017, 13:46
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QUOTE(manga522 @ Aug 3 2017, 18:28) *

fucking awesome !!!

yous guys were really save me out of this morass !

i fucking thank you guys Triple Times !!!

i fucking goin fire mage style and i gonna burn the mobs fucking down to the deepest of hell yeah i will

edit: be chill the fire staff is not destruction type is that matters ???

fuck the destruction type (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

the important thing is 2 of grandmasters teaching me and sharing a lot of valuable experience to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

i should follow the teaching and play harder also rewrite the to-do list (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)


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post Aug 3 2017, 13:59
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 3 2017, 13:38) *

i've been called a north-korean dictator and a bunch of other random insults for having been done what i should've done. cheers.

either way, i really suggest you not to take things written on a forum too seriously or too personally


Implying that you're not north-korean dictator in disguise

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post Aug 3 2017, 14:23
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Aug 3 2017, 13:59) *

Implying that you're not north-korean dictator in disguise

* pretending * (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Aug 3 2017, 17:41
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QUOTE(decondelite @ Aug 3 2017, 04:24) *

I demand an apology.


Okay, Sapo84 was tart there, but the simplest response is to set him on ignore.

I got mad at "Santa" a while back, and ignored him. After a couple months, then I unignored him. The things
that bothered me then don't bother me now.

Sapo, IMO, even when he seems harsh, is far more help than hindrance, and I hope you can see that.

QUOTE(Paff444 @ Aug 3 2017, 05:54) *

Are 2 handed sword and heavy armors a bad combination?

below 100 I suspect anything other than naked works.

I used 2H + light till about 170s, but if I had to do it over again, I would have switched to 1H + shield + heavy right after level 100. Pretty easy to handle Hell difficulty in 1H + heavy in the 100s.
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