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post Sep 2 2011, 08:51
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QUOTE(Xwai9 @ Sep 2 2011, 09:47) *

HI guys

I want to asking about the damage type. i know that there are four type of damage. Slashing, Piercing, Crushing and Void. From the EHWiki i can found information of the Slashing, Piercing and Crushing. But it is less of Void type.

what is Void attack ? Is it have any special effect for the one hand weapon? Since i just found it on some one hand weapons.

and other question

which type of weapon is the suitable for Survive?
thanks

I wonder if this in MH and this in OH would be viable for girls run OVER this. While Domino is useless against one target, my 2H prof. is 210 while my DW is only 122.
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post Sep 2 2011, 08:54
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Oh crap. No wonder I sound so silly at the moment. I was reading this a while back and I thought it meant crit = main weap proc hits off and you do a offhand strike for sure (but offhand weap's proc isn't guaranteed)

But in actuality it's:
Mainhand proc hits off
Offhand proc hits off *only* if your DW chance of doing offhand hit triggers right?
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post Sep 2 2011, 08:57
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Using rapier+sword chuck should be banned, it's just...too retarded
Almost everyone have a chance to finish EOD with that combination, I would say.

But I like the idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 2 2011, 08:59
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There're only a few chucks left now though =\

I guess if the guy was going power gear of balance he'd have a pretty ridiculous crit chance as well
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:02
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I have a few chucks left for sale at very expensive price if you guys want it... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


@ MiAla

Its viable, but not really necessary.

@ dcherry

Yes... you has to hit the target with the weapon that has the proc, in order for it to proc. (unless using 2 of the same weapon)

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post Sep 2 2011, 09:05
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 2 2011, 10:02) *

I have a few chucks left for sale at very expensive price if you guys want it... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
@ MiAla

Its viable, but not really necessary.

Actually right now I am all like "screw that arena completion money bonus" so I will just keep going IWBTH to clear first 40-45 rounds and then die of zero mana. A round with Eila yields up to 700-800 k exp.
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:05
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Does anyone know what the formula is to calculate the amount of HP the ability Regen heals?
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:10
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QUOTE(buktore @ Sep 2 2011, 15:02) *

I have a few chucks left for sale at very expensive price if you guys want it... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I know the one who has that ethereal sword chuck with ridiculous ACB.
I wonder how much I will need to pay though. 1 million seems to be a good starting point.
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:28
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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7a3172b2ec ?
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:34
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lol the crit chance
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:37
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I have a much better sword chucks than that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Exquishit Uranium Sword Chucks of Slaughter
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post Sep 2 2011, 09:41
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I have a much better sword chucks than that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Exquishit Uranium Sword Chucks of Slaughter


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post Sep 2 2011, 10:11
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Hi again guys,

Sorry for the late reply. I constantly had the legendaries silenced and poisoned with shield, heartseeker, and regen II on myself. I'd get through to about round 85 before I start running out of mana and can't heal myself anymore.

It seems like the consensus is to start dualwielding with Rapier + Chucks. My friend recommended Rapier + Axe though. Should I start investing in an axe or chuck? And would anyone be willing to sell me a good one?

What do you guys think of Niten Ichiryu when DW proficiency is at an optimal level? Would it be better than the Rapier + Chuck/Axe combo? I have a pretty good katana atm, but I need a Wakizashi to compliment it.

Hopefully with your guys' help, I can finally beat End of Days! =)

Here's my current gear btw:

Katana: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=5793c4090c
Helmet: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=256fa8cdea
Body: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=90f059c7de
Hands: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e6a398d39b
Legs: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=7f12361d07
Feet: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=31121b7f84

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post Sep 2 2011, 10:42
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Monster upgrades seem really skewed. 3 Crystal increase per resistance upgrade, 45(!) Crystal increase for attributes.

Something seems off.
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post Sep 2 2011, 11:20
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the resistances only go up by 1 per time and you need boatloads of that to get anywhere, it's actually skewed in the -other- direction than what you're thinking.

But you also only get one PL per resistance point you add in, while you get more then that per attribute point...

and trying to negate any of the races horrible weaknesses can really put a hurting on your wallet (because you for sure aren't going to find enough crystals at your level or mine, or likely the higher levels to pan out a -25 much less something worse down to a 0 resist. Without buying them that is.)

I doubt even the crystarium perks are that effective.


.....are they?
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post Sep 2 2011, 11:29
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QUOTE(varst @ Sep 2 2011, 07:46) *

I will pick estoc over mace if I have to make that choice. Mace's stun is good only for those IWBTH runs which every hit will be lethal. Otherwise, it will be damn slow when compared with estoc. Also, the heavy burden of heavy armor means the stun proc (max 4 turns) is more likely to wear off than PA proc (max 7 turns)

There should be other choice though. How about dualwield with club+rapier? That should be perfect fit for power armor against gods.
Club has the highest ADM among all one-handed weapons, stun is at least useful, off-hand rapier with high PA proc utilize the high ADM from club+power armor. And you don't need bleeding against legends as it's always too slow.

I like my mace, really keeps down the enemies return-damage. Problem is that you still regen mana and spirit while stunned (well, the mobs do anyway), which means they will often have full mana and spirit once they get out of the stun-lock, so they can pop off their special attacks, instead of just a normal one.

Clearing quick with estoc cuts down on the total number of rounds, and therefore the total regen of mana/sprit for the mobs.

Also, since at least I go negative in my mana regen, when having buffs on, taking longer to kill monsters mean losing more mana per fight due to negative upkeep essentially.

QUOTE(Xwai9 @ Sep 2 2011, 08:47) *

HI guys

I want to asking about the damage type. i know that there are four type of damage. Slashing, Piercing, Crushing and Void. From the EHWiki i can found information of the Slashing, Piercing and Crushing. But it is less of Void type.

what is Void attack ? Is it have any special effect for the one hand weapon? Since i just found it on some one hand weapons.

and other question

which type of weapon is the suitable for Survive?
thanks

There are more types of damage than that, like holy, dark, wind, electric etc, but for melee weapons, it is those four you mentioned.
Also, some older ethereal weapons also allegedly do soul damage.
Void is simply a damage-type just like the others, the main advantage is that no monster (that I know of) have any added resistance against that type of damage, like a giant has against crushing for example.
But on the other hand, I don't think any monster has a weakness against it either, like elementals have to the other melee damage types.
I think it exists on 2-h weapons, altho I haven't seen one, but ethereal weapons overall seems rather uncommon.

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post Sep 2 2011, 11:57
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QUOTE(chiakisan @ Sep 2 2011, 15:11) *

I constantly had the legendaries silenced...


Why would you use Silence when you got Spirit Shield?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

QUOTE(chiakisan @ Sep 2 2011, 15:11) *

It seems like the consensus is to start dualwielding with Rapier + Chucks. My friend recommended Rapier + Axe though.


Chucks is way better than axe. But of course, its not drop anymore and much, much harder, if not impossible, to get a good one. An axe will do fine if you have no access to chucks, I think.

QUOTE(chiakisan @ Sep 2 2011, 15:11) *

What do you guys think of Niten Ichiryu when DW proficiency is at an optimal level? Would it be better than the Rapier + Chuck/Axe combo? I have a pretty good katana atm, but I need a Wakizashi to compliment it.


Although using Niten would be better than just Katana alone. It's can't really compare to DW, especially with chucks and eth rapier (optional) ... Simply because DW has PA.

If you have no chucks. You can try using a club instead of axe to reduce damage you take. But your killing speed is slower.
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post Sep 2 2011, 12:01
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QUOTE(Xwai9 @ Sep 2 2011, 09:47) *

HI guys

I want to asking about the damage type. i know that there are four type of damage. Slashing, Piercing, Crushing and Void. From the EHWiki i can found information of the Slashing, Piercing and Crushing. But it is less of Void type.

what is Void attack ? Is it have any special effect for the one hand weapon? Since i just found it on some one hand weapons.

and other question

which type of weapon is the suitable for Survive?
thanks



Imagine there is a monster. A Daimon, for example, who has -25% resistance to piercing. It has a certain amount of armor (shield rating).
You wield a normal Estoc.
You hit the mob for, say, 1000 dmg.
You proc the Armor Pen.
You subsequently hit the mob for, say, 5000 dmg.

Then you wear on the absolutely same stat-wise but Ethereal Estoc.
You hit the same mob for 800 dmg.
You proc the Armor Pen.
You subsequently hit this mob for 4000 dmg.

But when you'll face a "Giant mkII" mob type with +75% resistance to piercing, you're pretty much f00ked up:
You wield a normal Estoc.
You hit the mob for 200 dmg.
You proc the Armor Pen.
You subsequently hit the mob for exactly 1000 dmg.

Then you wear on the precious Ethereal Estoc.
You hit the same mob for 800 dmg.
You proc the Armor Pen.
You subsequently hit this mob for 4000 dmg.



The profit of the Void weapon is that its absolute. Yes, you will not receive any bonus for the "piercing-vulnerable" resistance flaw of some mob which you COULD profit wielding a non-Eth estoc, but instead of that you will deal a non-compromised damage. Your STR/DEX/ADM/etc. formula counts that you're going to hit this enemy for 2000 damage with your next swing? PERIOD. YOU WILL HIT FOR 2k. Not 3k. Not 1k. Not 17 damage. 2k it is, even if the enemy has +100% in slashing AND crushing AND piercing. The only "random" thing of the Void weapon is the Min. and Max. damage a normal hit would proc, but that applies to all weapons (otherwise we would be hitting a static amount of damage with any attack)
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post Sep 2 2011, 12:07
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Also I wonder what should I raise up next~
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post Sep 2 2011, 18:29
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QUOTE(Randommember @ Sep 2 2011, 05:29) *

Also, some older ethereal weapons also allegedly do soul damage.


100% definitely they did, and i'm really pissed about it, since i have this, this, and this, from before the patch that changed it to much more useful void.

Now i only have two 'new type' ethereal clubs that are void, one of which i grabbed out of the bazaar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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