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Aug 29 2011, 00:10
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Koudesu
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What's at 190?
If I had to say, the Giants and Machines are the ones that hit the hardest. Then again, I need to setup a good kevlar set before I can actually say anything more specific.
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Aug 29 2011, 00:13
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Slobber
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Spiritshield. Which makes giants nothing more than very slow big hp nuisances. Pirate Bird/Eila/Neptuna/Lise. Those are probably the 4 biggest threats to me right now
e: note that's 1 avion, 1 sprite, 2 humanoids
This post has been edited by dcherry: Aug 29 2011, 00:13
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Aug 29 2011, 00:14
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hzqr
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QUOTE(Koudesu @ Aug 29 2011, 00:04)  OHYESMUSTREACH200 Humanoids that can dish out 700 damage per turn on Normal and just love double hitting you. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(dcherry @ Aug 29 2011, 00:13)  Neptunia I just discovered that she dies like a rat when you hit her with darkness. Feels good. This post has been edited by (Cheater) Tiap: Aug 29 2011, 00:17
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Aug 29 2011, 00:29
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Koudesu
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I don't really feel much of a difference in damage between difficulty levels, only HP amounts, oddly enough. Maybe my level's still a bit too low?
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Aug 29 2011, 00:54
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buktore
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Please, allow me to be a smartass... QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 29 2011, 04:07)  And here I am, oh_so_very_proud of my bleed that ticks for up to 1600 damage per turn... And then here I am, picking up by a mistake a Slaughter Estoc with 196 ilvl. And after that here I am: 5 1 You crit Holy Bell for 11523 piercing damage. AW COME ON! I USED THE WRONG WEAPON ALL THIS TIME?! SERIOUSLY?! WTB a Void Slaughter Estoc, a good one. =_____________________=
I told you! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you manage to get an eth estoc of slaughter (the one that offer to you in your WTB is good enough), the next thing is to get a full shade of shadowdancer with good crit and ADM and overall stats. Use Haste + SP Shield as your main support spell and you would be pretty much invincible.
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Aug 29 2011, 01:56
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Mi-Ala Starbreeze
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QUOTE(buktore @ Aug 29 2011, 01:54)  Please, allow me to be a smartass... I told you! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you manage to get an eth estoc of slaughter (the one that offer to you in your WTB is good enough), the next thing is to get a full shade of shadowdancer with good crit and ADM and overall stats. Use Haste + SP Shield as your main support spell and you would be pretty much invincible. Yeah yeah I know. I simply had no problem with enemy shield ratings so I did not notice any DPS increase with Estoc that day. Then I reached 150+ and jumped right into 3_or_even_4_giants_per_round stuff. Void estoc, must lewt~~
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Aug 29 2011, 02:57
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hitokiri84
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QUOTE(dcherry @ Aug 28 2011, 17:13)  Spiritshield. Which makes giants nothing more than very slow big hp nuisances. Pirate Bird/Eila/Neptuna/Lise. Those are probably the 4 biggest threats to me right now
e: note that's 1 avion, 1 sprite, 2 humanoids
QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Aug 28 2011, 17:14)  I just discovered that she dies like a rat when you hit her with darkness. Feels good. That's because Neptunia is a Celestial, not a Sprite. Well, no matter, but it looks like Sprites are also weak to Dark. This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Aug 29 2011, 03:00
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Aug 29 2011, 04:57
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Ballistic9
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QUOTE(varst @ Aug 29 2011, 01:51)  Suddenly I remembered a question to ask. Did you guys use full debuff on schoolgirls? Or which spells you're using on them?
On normal difficulty + great status, spam Magic Missile for CM > Nerf > ~6 shot w/ Banish spam. Haven't really noticed the magic damage boost from Bewilder. I spam Soul Burst on Konata (if I get too many of these I'll regen on one). Usually though I'll chew through around 13 mana pots per run without stopping to ET (final round excepted). QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 29 2011, 05:07)  And here I am, oh_so_very_proud of my bleed that ticks for up to 1600 damage per turn... And then here I am, picking up by a mistake a Slaughter Estoc with 196 ilvl. And after that here I am: 5 1 You crit Holy Bell for 11523 piercing damage. AW COME ON! I USED THE WRONG WEAPON ALL THIS TIME?! SERIOUSLY?! WTB a Void Slaughter Estoc, a good one. =_____________________=
Celestials are kinda squishy, my Magic Missile crits them for ~8K.
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Aug 29 2011, 06:01
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Slobber
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oops. for some reason i kept thinking neptuna was a sprite. w/e. i just remember the bitch hits harder than i expect and nulls holy/lightning and is weak vs dark
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Aug 29 2011, 06:13
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varst
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Aug 29 2011, 01:50)  I didn't expect it'd save me much mana when I got it, but it actually did. I guess the turns spent on buff recasting/channelling add up. Mostly though it's convenient having less overhead. IW's smoother, only need to refresh Regen2 (and AF once @ round ~200-ish).
I guess it's the 15% less mana upkeep cost that makes the difference. QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 29 2011, 05:07)  AW COME ON! I USED THE WRONG WEAPON ALL THIS TIME?! SERIOUSLY?!
Yes, even I know that estoc is better for higher difficulties. I can kill Bunko with 2-3 hits in hard, and I have way worse STR, overcharge, armor...almost everything than you. QUOTE(dcherry @ Aug 29 2011, 06:13)  Pirate Bird/Eila/Neptuna/Lise. Those are probably the 4 biggest threats to me right now
QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Aug 29 2011, 06:14)  I just discovered that she dies like a rat when you hit her with darkness.
Another good thing for fenrir mage, which I haven't said before: all those dcherry mentions die really fast. Which makes fenrir really good for arenas, in my opinion. QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Aug 29 2011, 10:57)  On normal difficulty + great status, spam Magic Missile for CM > Nerf > ~6 shot w/ Banish spam. Haven't really noticed the magic damage boost from Bewilder. I spam Soul Burst on Konata (if I get too many of these I'll regen on one). Usually though I'll chew through around 13 mana pots per run without stopping to ET (final round excepted).
Thanks for all who answered. I'm using weaken+nerf only right now, and I plan to drop weaken since I have abundant SP right now. I should be the first one to attempt EOD after 0.6.0 patch, and weaken+nerf is what I'm using at that time (with IA on SV+haste). My experience tells me that as long as you have enough SP (SP tank or SP potion), you don't need to use slow/poison/blind. I haven't tried bewilder yet, so I'm not sure of its effect. My reasoning is that as long as you're doing things properly, you should be able to kill a schoolgirl in 50 turns, so poison is not helping much (you only save 1 spirit attack from schoolgirls) And at normal difficulty with weaken, regen II is enough to keep your HP full, so slow/blind is out. And Ballistic9, I think it's better to use Storms of Njord against Konata instead of soul...? No, I'm not sure. Need to try that today. Edit: It's about the same with my oak staff of heimdall. Different staff may have different result though. This post has been edited by varst: Aug 29 2011, 07:06
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Aug 29 2011, 06:35
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RajaNagaSoz
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Down here in the low-end, heavy works wonders, i'm getting extra turns on the monsters wearing full power armor. Then again, i'm probably below-level for all of those humanoids people have been complaining about with their 20-25 agi stats~
Gonna keep on truckin while it still works, because i hear when it's gone, it's gone forever~
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Aug 29 2011, 06:36
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Slobber
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i have to use blind for a hopeful chance of triggering channeling since most of my buffs can wear off (regen 2/AF) during my ET rounds (since i alternate between ET/killing rounds)
ETing while you kill a guy is much more advantageous for keeping buffs up imo since you keep channeling consistently to keep buffs on but the per round basis is more simple imo. it's basically like heal kill kill kill heal etc. rather than heal/kill every round.
as for bewilder, i think the tooltip on the status says they take more magic damage. not 100% sure
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Aug 29 2011, 07:04
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Koudesu
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It's time for an overhaul, as I'm stuck on Hard or Heroic mode (and even on Normal mode for Endgame and onwards). Those Giants are really becoming a thorn in my side, and I'm currently hunting down some Kevlar to test out. Screenies: [ imageshack.us] (IMG:[img560.imageshack.us] http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7038/gearm.th.png) [ imageshack.us] (IMG:[img687.imageshack.us] http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3526/statsjqv.th.png) [ imageshack.us] (IMG:[img545.imageshack.us] http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2140/abilitiesd.th.png) I'm also deathly afraid of getting one shotted by the Rares, even though I'm stacking buffs and debuffs on top of each other, they always somehow manage to crit me with their spirit attack for 3k+ on agitation. I can usually kill them on normal and maybe hard mode, but other than that, I usually have to use almost everything I have. I'm paranoid enough to keep bubble gum in my inventory just for dealing with it. I'm starting to think I need to stack more Endurance, to make Regen more useful. The defense rating that Endurance supposedly gives isn't actually helping much at all, and I've upped my Endurance quite a bit from before. On a side note, I did some calculations, and it appears that I can earn on average enough creds for 3 Hath a day. Add artifact drops and the other arenas I may unlock from here til then, and it'll probably take me close to 4 months to afford a Rainbow Aura (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) . Which reminds me. What exactly does the power rating do for you? As far as I can tell, it doesn't really boost your damage, and the wiki doesn't really say much about what it actually does. If all Rainbow Aura can really do for me is boost my exp gains (unless the boosted regen rates apply inside of battles as well), I'd rather go for Innate Arcanas. Edit: Also, I've run out of useful things to train, so I'm training Luck of the Draw. Does anyone actually use that? I currently have 75 points in Adept Learner, 19 points in Ability Boost, 15 points in Scavenger, 2 points in Quartermaster, 4 points in Archaeologist, and one point in Refined Aura. This post has been edited by Koudesu: Aug 29 2011, 07:09
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Aug 29 2011, 08:01
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Ballistic9
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QUOTE(varst @ Aug 29 2011, 12:13)  And Ballistic9, I think it's better to use Storms of Njord against Konata instead of soul...? No, I'm not sure. Need to try that today. Edit: It's about the same with my oak staff of heimdall. Different staff may have different result though.
In my Holy gear, SON does half of Soul Burst's damage for half the MP, so I figure I may as well speed it up. SON is slightly more mana efficient (268.5 vs 231.1 damage/MP for me last time I checked), but not enough to make it worth it imo. Your results may vary~
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Aug 29 2011, 08:16
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CrazyFlame
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QUOTE(Koudesu @ Aug 28 2011, 22:04)  I'm also deathly afraid of getting one shotted by the Rares, even though I'm stacking buffs and debuffs on top of each other, they always somehow manage to crit me with their spirit attack for 3k+ on agitation. I can usually kill them on normal and maybe hard mode, but other than that, I usually have to use almost everything I have. I'm paranoid enough to keep bubble gum in my inventory just for dealing with it.
Could always throw a point into Spark of Life just for that sole purpose or stack up on Scrolls of Life. Poison also reduces their MP and SP gauge gain by 50%, saving you from damage over the long run. QUOTE(Koudesu @ Aug 28 2011, 22:04)  Which reminds me. What exactly does the power rating do for you? As far as I can tell, it doesn't really boost your damage, and the wiki doesn't really say much about what it actually does. If all Rainbow Aura can really do for me is boost my exp gains (unless the boosted regen rates apply inside of battles as well), I'd rather go for Innate Arcanas.
Forum power. Increases your imbue power. QUOTE(Koudesu @ Aug 28 2011, 22:04)  Edit: Also, I've run out of useful things to train, so I'm training Luck of the Draw. Does anyone actually use that?
I've got it at level 10. I've noticed a ton of godly potions, that's about it. I'm not sure if that has to do with level or not. It sure hasn't made a difference in me finding Exquisite pieces (Note: still haven't found one to date).
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Aug 29 2011, 08:30
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Madican
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QUOTE(Koudesu @ Aug 28 2011, 22:04)  Edit: Also, I've run out of useful things to train, so I'm training Luck of the Draw. Does anyone actually use that? I do. Only 3 put into it so far, but I plan on more. Helps to get Average and Fine gear. Haven't gotten a crude in a long time. Good potions too.
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Aug 29 2011, 10:50
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hzqr
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So I've been doing the first page Arenas on Nightmare using Holy/Darkness to raise my profs and admittedly it's pretty nice (especially the circular effect explosions). My only gripe is that I seem to consume way too much mana. I need to use the first pot around round 10 if I don't proc Ether Theft (using elemental spells I can easily go up to round ~30-35). Maybe I just need to get better equipment. Right now it takes me two Purge and one Pestilence to clear a round. Meh.
This post has been edited by (Cheater) Tiap: Aug 29 2011, 10:53
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Aug 29 2011, 14:00
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Mi-Ala Starbreeze
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Funny. I only made it to 91/100 NORMAL schoolgirl run (lvl220 arena). Then I ran out of mana (11 pots used).
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Aug 29 2011, 14:38
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MidNightPass
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 29 2011, 20:00)  Funny. I only made it to 91/100 NORMAL schoolgirl run (lvl220 arena). Then I ran out of mana (11 pots used).
Time to train pack rat perhaps?
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Aug 29 2011, 14:42
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Mi-Ala Starbreeze
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QUOTE(MidNightPass @ Aug 29 2011, 15:38)  Time to train pack rat perhaps?
3/5 ATM.
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