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Jan 30 2016, 13:02
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Benny-boy
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 30 2016, 12:41)  haste off. For more counter-attacks? Is it worth it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Jan 30 2016, 13:05
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Fap.Fap
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 30 2016, 13:41)  Ethereal is cooler (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) and no interference I have 12.5% evade? And 2.9% attack speed? I dont remember the exact value right now, but I dont find them to be a problem, as long as I have SV and haste off. thats just what I noticed when using a rapier which gives me less evade chance and one that gives me more... my Overcharge is much less often full with more evade chance, thus increasing the time needed to finish cos theres less usage of OFC. and yeah if you use no haste, you are making yourself more vulnerable since the mobs are attacking you more often, but that also results in more blocks on your sides and filling your OC, but this is when I noticed that I blocked much less even with only 3% more evade chance. its all about making the OC full and using perma OFC when fighting 3 SG's, but maybe your ethereal Rapier has Dark/Holy strike giving you more damage output on those SG's... what I can say for sure is that it was my fastest time yet to kill the dragons^^ QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Jan 30 2016, 14:02)  For more counter-attacks? Is it worth it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) as stated above, its definetly needed and appreciated by your 1H build^^ This post has been edited by Fap.Fap: Jan 30 2016, 13:06
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Jan 30 2016, 13:07
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Void Domain
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 2,131
Joined: 30-May 10

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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Jan 30 2016, 19:02)  For more counter-attacks? Is it worth it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Yea, I get a solid clear speed boost ~10%
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Jan 30 2016, 13:46
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Jan 30 2016, 11:24)  nonono, you read it wrong, its already too high when using 1h, 1h is all about blocking incoming attacks/ gaining OC from it but when you have Evade chance.. you will block much less, thats why a Light 1h set is really strange and not optimal
6%? what did you do to have such high value? i have 3.7 and 64 BUR (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 30 2016, 11:41)  I have 12.5% evade? And 2.9% attack speed? I dont remember the exact value right now, but I dont find them to be a problem, as long as I have SV and haste off.
yep. the real problem is SV. without it, even 1H Shade can keep perma-spirit stance. just wondering, what's your AGI? QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Jan 30 2016, 12:02)  For more counter-attacks? Is it worth it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) it seems so. but only if you survival is already high enough. if you have troubles remaining alive, then using Haste to lower the amount of damage taken in one turn may be useful QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Jan 30 2016, 12:05)  this is when I noticed that I blocked much less even with only 3% more evade chance.
much less... let's say we have 60% Block, between shield, forging, ability, blah blah: with 0% Evade: Block = ( 1 - Evade ) * ( 1 - Block ) = Block = 60% with 3% Evade: Block = ( 1 - Evade ) * ( 1 - Block ) = 0.97 * Block = 58.2% 1.8% block difference, which means (at most!) -1.35% Counter chance and -0.54% OS chance. 4 less Counters every 300 hits. where's that big difference? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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Jan 30 2016, 13:50
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cichy133
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Why are willow staffs so expensive compared to redwood? Is better anti resist and depre prof worth so much? Willow loses a bit of elemental prof and has no supportive prof at all iirc.
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Jan 30 2016, 14:04
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simrock87
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Jan 30 2016, 11:50)  Why are willow staffs so expensive compared to redwood? Is better anti resist and depre prof worth so much? Willow loses a bit of elemental prof and has no supportive prof at all iirc.
Willow has Counter-Resist ... which really is noticeable with High-Chaos monsters on PFUDOR
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Jan 30 2016, 14:07
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 30 2016, 19:47)  more level scaling and more AGI, i guess...
And 2 mithril items. Now im at 11.5 something because I am reducing agi.
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Jan 30 2016, 14:10
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jacquelope
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Jan 30 2016, 14:26
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Jan 30 2016, 11:50)  Why are willow staffs so expensive compared to redwood? Is better anti resist and depre prof worth so much? Willow loses a bit of elemental prof and has no supportive prof at all iirc. Like simrock87 said, counter-resist is incredible. Supportive prof is next to useless, and having a ton of depreciating proficiency is worth losing some elemental proficiency if you're using Imperil. For elec/wind on PF with Imperil, nothing else can compare. Redwood can be better if someone isn't using Imperil, because the depreciating prof would be useless and Redwood's increased elemental prof is good, but no-Imperil styles are better with Holy or Dark than elemental anyway.
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Jan 30 2016, 14:31
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 30 2016, 13:07)  And 2 mithril items. Now im at 11.5 something because I am reducing agi.
but you could at least reach lv500 only with melee builds, isn't it? just to show it's not really needed to switch to mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(jacquelope @ Jan 30 2016, 13:10)  9k worth
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Jan 30 2016, 14:32
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EsotericSatire
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Jan 30 2016, 01:50)  Why are willow staffs so expensive compared to redwood? Is better anti resist and depre prof worth so much? Willow loses a bit of elemental prof and has no supportive prof at all iirc.
frankmelody is crazy. The average willow price has been the same as redwood for the past couple of months, except for demonic. QUOTE(simrock87 @ Jan 30 2016, 02:04)  Willow has Counter-Resist ... which really is noticeable with High-Chaos monsters on PFUDOR
You sacrifice 5% counter resist and 2.5% specific mitigation from proficiency for elemental spells to gain 10-13% counter resist net gain 5-8% counter resist. You do however gain 5% from potency and 10-13% from willow for imperil, which means up to an 18% gain for counter resist for imperil. Fans of willow postulate that casting imperil more reliably reduces incoming damage due to reduced average turns to clear rounds which could be a bigger advantage compared to the lost of support proficiency for cure. So ultimately for elemental the damage is quite close between the two, the staff with the better stats will win. This leaves two camps; do you want to be hit less or to be able to heal more when hit? If you mainly play on pfudor or grindfest then willow probably has a slight advantage. This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Jan 30 2016, 14:33
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Jan 30 2016, 14:45
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nec1986
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Mostly because imperil. For mages who use 3+2 non imperil style both is ok, but when we deal with 8+ pf monsters and specially at high level then its huge difference.
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Jan 30 2016, 14:55
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Fap.Fap
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,554
Joined: 19-October 11

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 30 2016, 14:46)  6%? what did you do to have such high value? i have 3.7 and 64 BUR (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) it comes from the AGI and no burden of the Rapier, thats why i prefer Rapier without Agi, also my boots are mithril right, thus iam at 56 burden or so.. QUOTE it seems so. but only if you survival is already high enough. if you have troubles remaining alive, then using Haste to lower the amount of damage taken in one turn may be useful much less... let's say we have 60% Block, between shield, forging, ability, blah blah: with 0% Evade: Block = ( 1 - Evade ) * ( 1 - Block ) = Block = 60% with 3% Evade: Block = ( 1 - Evade ) * ( 1 - Block ) = 0.97 * Block = 58.2% 1.8% block difference, which means (at most!) -1.35% Counter chance and -0.54% OS chance. 4 less Counters every 300 hits. where's that big difference? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I cant answer that... its the thing i noticed while using those 2 Rapiers that my OC fills differently.. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) using haste is really not good once you have enough defenses, cause that increases filling your OC by a looooot. its not like i was dying or so, the HP was just going down more than usually.. ------------------------------- bought Crystarium 2 did a Hellfest to see my Crystals growing: 16,411 turns (3.173 t/s)01 h 26 m 12 s ( didnt really concentrate, if you look at the t/s^^) 111,499,269 EXP 37,471 credits 7 precursor artifacts ( (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) 1 ED, 2 Hath 14965 crystals earned... thats not much : ( you can just do 150-200 rounds of PFfest and get 9x crystals as well, drops are better and your stamina is used much better^^
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Jan 30 2016, 15:10
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karyl123
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I hate you for 3.173 t/s
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Jan 30 2016, 15:11
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jacquelope
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Joined: 28-July 15

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Okay who's selling some LU exquisite power slaughter/protection?
I'm looking to add a full set for my freeshop for a Super Bowl Sunday giveaway. I have two LU mag shields already, so I don't need that.
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Jan 30 2016, 15:14
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Jan 30 2016, 21:10)  I hate you for 3.173 t/s
The real t/s is higher because counter plus only counts the turn number in the log. You can add ~1100 turns for a gf so he is at 3.4 t/s
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Jan 30 2016, 15:19
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 30 2016, 16:14)  The real t/s is higher because counter plus only counts the turn number in the log. You can add ~1100 turns for a gf so he is at 3.4 t/s
yeh and i was afk for 5mins~ in most arenas iam at 3,5-3,7 but really... I wouldnt even play if iam under that time, I dont even want to imagine it.. must be horrible to wait for the screen to load (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jan 30 2016, 15:42
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Epion
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Jan 30 2016, 13:19)  yeh and i was afk for 5mins~ in most arenas iam at 3,5-3,7 but really... I wouldnt even play if iam under that time, I dont even want to imagine it.. must be horrible to wait for the screen to load (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) That's why i quited the game. Internet for 3t/s easily and i had to play with 3S/T!! Someone give Tb this message from my part: "your waifu doesn't exist".
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