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Oh, i missed auc... that surts staff was quite good and sold for only 600k. Its probably one of the best. And nice katalox for only 200k... damn.
Thats ok, you can use shard or simple more mp pots. It d be big problem with old pots, but now its unlimited. Its like to play 1h, but with aoe range.

Thank god you missed it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Not rly, only partially. Phazons is usually last step. I mean first time it ll be huge t/s drop, specially for around 310 level mages (low native defense) and mages without much attack/charged prefixes. I dont remember well, but maybe i cured every single round. Its quite annoying and huge gap from only hover melee to imperil/complicated aim/constant cures mage on pf in concentration. Its slightly better without imperil on low diff.

So first few m is only gear. After that:
0-30 prof forge ~1,5m item (staff and 1-2 cottons)
0-30 edb forge in staff ~1,2m
0-60 mdb forge in staff ~5,5m
After that we can forge phase, but usually this stage is already quite good. With iw, slightly better gear it ll be ~20m. After that even high investment gives small result.

Its ok to upgrade step by step, that amount is just some type of mark when mage ll be very easy and fast.

2 damage perks, depreciating perk, elemental prof perk. After the first big investment into mage, the incremental benefits from upgrading is usually quite small, so don't assume that you need all of this just to get a playable setup.

Is this the first big investment?

Is this the first big investment?

Nah, I'd say first big investment is staff (some millions), staff IW to 9, VV, EE, base equipment (Lmax/useful prefixes not needed), forging everything to 5, and IWing everything to have at least a bit of Juggernaut. Don't skip the forging, the first 5 levels cost no HGC and increase stats the most. Cotton prof and staff MDB can be forged more since their materials aren't expensive, at least not before level ~20.

For me, equipment quality, damage perks, Juggernaut perfection, and forging phase past 5 is all mostly just icing, but it's very very expensive icing compared to the base cost of a decent starting mage setup.

Nah, I'd say first big investment is staff (some millions), staff IW to 9, VV, EE, base equipment (Lmax/useful prefixes not needed), forging everything to 5, and IWing everything to have at least a bit of Juggernaut. Don't skip the forging, the first 5 levels cost no HGC and increase stats the most. Cotton prof and staff MDB can be forged more since their materials aren't expensive, at least not before level ~20.

For me, equipment quality, damage perks, Juggernaut perfection, and forging phase past 5 is all mostly just icing, but it's very very expensive icing compared to the base cost of a decent starting mage setup.

i meant by my first quote with the staff forges (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

0-30 prof forge ~1,5m item (staff and 1-2 cottons)
0-30 edb forge in staff ~1,2m
0-60 mdb forge in staff ~5,5m

This post has been edited by DrasticMeasures: Jan 16 2016, 18:28

i meant by my first quote with the staff forges (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

0-30 prof forge ~1,5m item (staff and 1-2 cottons)
0-30 edb forge in staff ~1,2m
0-60 mdb forge in staff ~5,5m

err , you need much more than that to forge 60 mdb at leg destruction staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

55 bindings of dest @80k ~ 4,4M

not counting couple hundred HG woods & catalyst (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

err , you need much more than that to forge 60 mdb at leg destruction staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

55 bindings of dest @80k ~ 4,4M

not counting couple hundred HG woods & catalyst (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I was curious how he got that number aswell lol

Well, i have quite good counter for that. Besides 3-4,5 turns for imperil and turns for cures, rebuffs.

Mmax gear no forge with imperil. 5 phase - 9 turns. It ll be starting point.
4+1 legendary set without any forge - 8 turns (quite big step, but i think its mainly because higher prof)
+ 30 prof forge (7,5 turns)
+ 30 edb in staff forge (7 turns)
+ 60 mdb forge (6,3 turns)
+ 5 pen in staff (5,6 turns and also ~0,5t/round reduction for imperil)
+ 10% damage perk (5,1 turns)
+ prof perk (4,9 turns)

Result with 100m+ investment - 4 turns. So all gives roughly 10% increase. Some is quite easy and good like 5pen and some more expensive like damage perk or mdb forge. Prof perk should give more, because its better to change cotton slot and get higher edb. I simple added prof and some part of that was wasted. But overall its not very big difference and we can see after some stage increase becomes small. I mean lets say we doing 4 imperil turns and 1 for cures/rebuffs. With 5 battle turns its 10 per round and with 4 battle turns its 9 per round. And price for that is very solid. So even 20m build already very good. After that all becomes expensive with small difference.

bindings of dest @80k

Huh... its quite high. Price jumped? I sold month ago for ~60k.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jan 16 2016, 19:07

Good God almighty who did such a thing as to leave this in Bazaar???

Good God almighty who did such a thing as to leave this in Bazaar???

Actually a few moments ago there was one level 379 as well (I know since I dropped it).
If they don't have an element they are not worthy.

Actually a few moments ago there was one level 379 as well (I know since I dropped it).
If they don't have an element they are not worthy.

A backup for IW'ing a truly worthy rapier?

The other day we evaluate that any magnificent tier phase with 2 pabs is to be salvaged.
If it has a prefix however like Frugal and AGI/INT, do i still salvage or can it reach more than 20k?

A backup for IW'ing a truly worthy rapier?

Naaaaaaaa... a 44/45 base AD rapier is still less worthy than an elemental 41/42 and those are relatively easy to find.

Nah, I'd say first big investment is staff (some millions), staff IW to 9, VV, EE, base equipment (Lmax/useful prefixes not needed), forging everything to 5, and IWing everything to have at least a bit of Juggernaut. Don't skip the forging, the first 5 levels cost no HGC and increase stats the most. Cotton prof and staff MDB can be forged more since their materials aren't expensive, at least not before level ~20.

IW Staff to 9? Do you mean 10?

You hardly use a staff to wack a mole. Lv.10 is kind of pointless for that kind of weapon.

IW Staff to 9? Do you mean 10?

Nope, you don't need to level staff up to lvl 10, because it only adds void strike, which is useless for casters.

IW Staff to 9? Do you mean 10?

Hollowforged + extra strike is useless for marginally equipped mages.

It has been vaguely rumored that staff level 10 will eventually be changed to become useful again, and because of that, some people try to keep their staff at level 9 only, so that when (if) that happens, they can get it immediately, rather than have to reset their perfect Pen 5 / Spellw 4 in order to achieve the new level 10 potency.

I don't buy that line of reasoning, but it's still true that there's no point in getting level 10.

That makes a lot of sense. Glad it got mentioned before I wasted time getting IW 10 on my staff.

This post has been edited by Acer37: Jan 17 2016, 01:00

2 damage perks, depreciating perk, elemental prof perk. After the first big investment into mage, the incremental benefits from upgrading is usually quite small, so don't assume that you need all of this just to get a playable setup.

What difficulty were you on? My damage is pretty similar (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

12 Bakaneko gains the effect Deep Burns.
9 11 Wrath of Thor blasts Bakaneko for 71999 elec damage (75% resisted)
9 10 Wolkenritter Vita has been defeated.
9 9 Wrath of Thor blasts Wolkenritter Vita for 272361 elec damage
9 8 Crosis gains the effect Coalesced Mana.
9 7 Wrath of Thor hits Crosis for 217555 elec damage
9 6 Papa Meilland has been defeated.
9 5 Wrath of Thor blasts Papa Meilland for 259433 elec damage
9 4 Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi drops a Spirit Gem powerup!
9 3 Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi has been defeated.
9 2 Wrath of Thor hits Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 208391 elec damage

Lemme get something straight with stuff I've heard as of late... people are actually switching from 1H to MAGE at some point past L350?

Why would one want to do that? Spellspam for running up spell profs is a PITA to set up, and using it in IW with crude gear takes away from the stamina I'd need for credit-mining arena runs. And damn, it's tedious. It takes forever to get a single 1.00 point of elemental/divine/etc. prof. I think I goofed not boosting those stats when my level was lower and profs rose faster. *facepalm*

Why not just stick with 1H when your 1H is 327 and your Elemental prof is <80? Prof grinding from 80 to 327 (much less 350) is about as quick as walking from Los Angeles to Beijing. I got good walking sneakers but they ain't that good.

Lemme get something straight with stuff I've heard as of late... people are actually switching from 1H to MAGE at some point past L350?

Why would one want to do that? Spellspam for running up spell profs is a PITA to set up, and using it in IW with crude gear takes away from the stamina I'd need for credit-mining arena runs. And damn, it's tedious. It takes forever to get a single 1.00 point of elemental/divine/etc. prof. I think I goofed not boosting those stats when my level was lower and profs rose faster. *facepalm*

Why not just stick with 1H when your 1H is 327 and your Elemental prof is <80? Prof grinding from 80 to 327 (much less 350) is about as quick as walking from Los Angeles to Beijing. I got good walking sneakers but they ain't that good.

5 hours. 90 elemental, and 30 divine prof here.
changed to divine because breached defense.

I have a reason, my internet is the problem. ping getting bigger and unlimited internet package is trash in my country, you get unlimited at 64 kbps speed. thats why i changed to semi mage. 40k /spell/ monster is definitely faster and need less internet quota than 40k after 3x PA + crit on a single monster.