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post Jan 15 2016, 06:41
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QUOTE(DrasticMeasures @ Jan 15 2016, 04:11) *
Is 3 the ideal amount of IA slots?
If starting funds weren't an issue, I'd be tempted to say that the determining factor is how many slots you need to use all useful buffs other than Protection. Protection has a low cost and a long duration, so having it on IA is least helpful. 1h without Shadow Veil might prefer IA3. Everyone else might prefer IA4.

To justify adding Protection, IA4 -> IA5 or IA3 -> IA4, you'd have to factor in the fact that it costs twice as much hath and saves half as many turns as the last one.

Also factor in how much you play. Some lower level semi-rich players spend way more than they'll ever earn back.

Edit: You edited. Don't skip SoL unless you're suicidal. Protection has the lowest priority for IA.

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post Jan 15 2016, 06:54
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 15 2016, 15:41) *

If starting funds weren't an issue, I'd be tempted to say that the determining factor is how many slots you need to use all useful buffs other than Protection. Protection has a low cost and a long duration, so having it on IA is least helpful. 1h without Shadow Veil might prefer IA3. Everyone else might prefer IA4.

To justify adding Protection, IA4 -> IA5 or IA3 -> IA4, you'd have to factor in the fact that it costs twice as much hath and saves half as many turns as the last one.

Also factor in how much you play. Some lower level semi-rich players spend way more than they'll ever earn back.

Edit: You edited. Don't skip SoL unless you're suicidal. Protection has the lowest priority for IA.


I haven't needed SoL since with my damage the only difficulty i can do arenas in a reasonably okay time is hell for which i never come close to dying while having SS up, but at higher difficulties it will probably be a good idea to invest in another 2 IA slots.

Also on another note. Would Legendary Jade Phase Gloves of Surtr go for much in an auction, since it's EDB is quite high?
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post Jan 15 2016, 07:31
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QUOTE(DrasticMeasures @ Jan 15 2016, 12:54) *

I haven't needed SoL since with my damage the only difficulty i can do arenas in a reasonably okay time is hell for which i never come close to dying while having SS up, but at higher difficulties it will probably be a good idea to invest in another 2 IA slots.

Also on another note. Would Legendary Jade Phase Gloves of Surtr go for much in an auction, since it's EDB is quite high?

Nice gloves, bounded to low level, has high edb.
IMHO; 50k < ur glove < 400k

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i would definitely bid for it if i have credits :s

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post Jan 15 2016, 08:14
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Jan 15 2016, 12:31) *

Nice gloves, bounded to low level, has high edb.
IMHO; 50k < ur glove < 400k

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i would definitely bid for it if i have credits :s

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use your under mattress monies , izpe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jan 15 2016, 08:18
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really (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
use your under mattress monies , izpe (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Jan 15 2016, 08:52
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where do you hide it now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)





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post Jan 15 2016, 08:58
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jan 15 2016, 14:52) *

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where do you hide it now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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In other people's pockets.
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post Jan 15 2016, 09:31
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post Jan 15 2016, 10:46
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IMHO it would be better to forge a leg rapier with base adb closer to 47 (since most leg slaughter rapier have about 44~50 base adb). The only one's that could auction for 100m are those ethereal ones with adb nearing 50, other rapiers with less desirable prefix usually go for alot less.

Yeah but my odds of ever catching a leg ethereal rapier of slaughter at ~47...? Might as well try to win the Powerball (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jan 15 2016, 10:53
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Yeah but my odds of ever catching a leg ethereal rapier of slaughter at ~47...? Might as well try to win the Powerball (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Sure, Ethereal doesn't have any burden/interference, but then its only good when u IW it with ur ideal Butcher/Fata combination and either Dark/Holy strike, roll a cold-strike, fire-strike and its pretty much same as any other elemental prefix with slight burden/interference benefits.

If we can't afford super high-end gear, we can always take the next best alternatives, some trade offs here and there.

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post Jan 15 2016, 10:58
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Thats why im using fire. Its interesting how much ll cost almost Pmax edb fire staff in this auc.
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post Jan 15 2016, 11:02
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Jan 15 2016, 08:53) *
Sure, Ethereal doesn't have any burden/interference, but then its only good when u IW it with ur ideal Butcher/Fata combination and either Dark/Holy strike, roll a cold-strike, fire-strike and its pretty much same as any other elemental prefix with slight burden/interference benefits.

If we can't afford super high-end gear, we can always take the next best alternatives, some trade offs here and there.
IMO, Demonic (or Hallowed) > Ethereal for high level players in most cases. Evade is worse than useless, attack speed is almost useless, and interference is only marginally annoying. Better to have guaranteed Dark Strike for significantly higher Strike damage against SGs, and moderately higher Strike damage against ordinary monsters.

A good combination of Butcher + Fatality is already incredibly expensive in terms of shards and time. If someone with Ethereal wants Holy or Dark strike on top of that, multiply the cost by 3. Probably not something to do except for a Peerless (or unless you sacrifice some levels of Butcher and Fatality to make IW10 easier to achieve).
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post Jan 15 2016, 11:21
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Are there any tips/tricks to increasing Elemental and staff proficiency? Apart from using high cost spells?

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post Jan 15 2016, 11:28
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A bit. One of the best styles for me 5 phases and ordinary playing until you get high prof. Same way possibly to use slaughter set with ethereal staff in melee style on low diff. Its good adb... a bit problem with acc, but its not so hard to fix.
I prefer this way, because it gives profit. I dont like hours of grinding for only prof. Maybe even with negative profit. Sure its faster, but completely wasted. Usually mixed type is quite close to ordinary clearspeed and after week or few you get all maxed.

Btw, 5 phases + rapier/waki (same element) + shield is also mixed style. Easy to play even on pf and with slightly higher mana price its higher prof gain.

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post Jan 15 2016, 11:54
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 15 2016, 17:02) *

IMO, Demonic (or Hallowed) > Ethereal for high level players in most cases. Evade is worse than useless, attack speed is almost useless, and interference is only marginally annoying. Better to have guaranteed Dark Strike for significantly higher Strike damage against SGs, and moderately higher Strike damage against ordinary monsters.

A good combination of Butcher + Fatality is already incredibly expensive in terms of shards and time. If someone with Ethereal wants Holy or Dark strike on top of that, multiply the cost by 3. Probably not something to do except for a Peerless (or unless you sacrifice some levels of Butcher and Fatality to make IW10 easier to achieve).

Holy strike is pretty bad for normal mobs. But only very slightly.
Using fire shield in pf gf
cold + dark strike = 21250 turns
cold + elec/wind strike = 21450 turns
cold + holy strike = 21600 turns
Turn counts included the "click next round" aka turn 0
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post Jan 15 2016, 12:35
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You guys have tips and tricks to lowering t/s on mozilla?
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post Jan 15 2016, 12:49
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You guys have tips and tricks to lowering t/s on mozilla?

I changed my font to verdana and using the script reloader and it seems to work
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post Jan 15 2016, 12:50
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You guys have tips and tricks to lowering t/s on mozilla?
Find a bad ISP, use an old computer, install as many scripts as you can, especially HVStat. Also defragment in the background if at all possible.
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post Jan 15 2016, 13:35
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 15 2016, 17:54) *

Holy strike is pretty bad for normal mobs. But only very slightly.
Using fire shield in pf gf
cold + dark strike = 21250 turns
cold + elec/wind strike = 21450 turns
cold + holy strike = 21600 turns
Turn counts included the "click next round" aka turn 0


That's odd. It's counter to what would be predicted based on mob mitigation stats. Could it just be variance and random numbers?

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You guys have tips and tricks to lowering t/s on mozilla?


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post Jan 15 2016, 13:57
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 15 2016, 11:50) *

Find a bad ISP, use an old computer, install as many scripts as you can, especially HVStat. Also defragment in the background if at all possible.


I'm using full hvstat on my firefox and turning it off make zero difference for me. This mod is fine.

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