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Jan 7 2016, 12:09
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 7 2016, 10:50)  I think willow with imperil gives absolutely huge difference, because its usually pf and high level player and both that things means high monsters resist.
Simple example without much calculations. Average resist is only 20% against 9 monsters for imperiling. Redwood. 14% counter-resist from perk+prof with 20% 5pen. Result - 4.21t/round Willow. 29,5% from perk+prof, 20% from 5 pen and 13,5% native is staff. Result 3,67t/round
Isn't the imperil part balanced (or at least a fraction of it) by the better elemental prof and EDB? If imperil is so much more important than actual damage shouldn't a cotton of the curse-weaver actually be viable? (has it ever be tested? like 3 + 1 + 1 with redwood)
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Jan 7 2016, 12:17
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nec1986
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At the moment willow has same mdb as redwood and almost same edb (+- few base points). Prof indeed lower, but it also has native counter-resist. So if we take something like shoes then it has 6,5 prof / 13,7 edb. Few edb and few prof points not worth even half of boots and instead we get direct 13%+ counter-resist which should completely overflow that.
And yea, maybe additional cotton is possibly, but probably only in some extreme cases. Willow has it as side bonus. Redwood has 8,11 prof bonus (elemental) and 4,31 minor prof (sup/depr), willow has 11,81 (depr) and 6,15 minor (elemental/forb). You can see its too op, minor prof is almost same as main, but also huge main (curse robe gives ~9,5). And besides that even overall counter-resist. There is nothing balanced in current willow at all, even without imperil it feels ok or maybe even better. The only balance might be price, because even average legendary willow might cost 8m+ and good one usually 15-30m.
This post has been edited by nec1986: Jan 7 2016, 12:42
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Jan 7 2016, 12:53
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mistwalker13
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Jan 7 2016, 12:58
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(mistwalker13 @ Jan 7 2016, 10:53)  Rapier, sure. Even if its stats aren't incredible and it's Fire, they're still a rapier, L-range, and Slaughter Slaughter, and your level isn't high enough to find those easily at all, so if you have the extra fragments, go for it. Wakizashi, not so much. Wakis are pretty bad in general, and Swiftness isn't that good either. Better to save your fragments for something like a Power Slaughter many levels ahead of you.
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Jan 7 2016, 13:18
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mistwalker13
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 7 2016, 17:58)  Rapier, sure. Even if its stats aren't incredible and it's Fire, they're still a rapier, L-range, and Slaughter Slaughter, and your level isn't high enough to find those easily at all, so if you have the extra fragments, go for it.
Wakizashi, not so much. Wakis are pretty bad in general, and Swiftness isn't that good either. Better to save your fragments for something like a Power Slaughter many levels ahead of you.
tks.
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Jan 7 2016, 14:25
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Factofu
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Hi everyone! I have just one quick question... I have received the Tenbora's Box from the annual toplists. What should I do with it? Should I trade it at the shrine or is it better to sell it?
Thanks
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Jan 7 2016, 14:50
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karyl123
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hello everybody, random dude here. if have leg/peerless shortsword of balance. please tell me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) auctioneer seems never list a shortsword, but I am seeking one. thankyou (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) note : critical should be : L+ This post has been edited by karyl123: Jan 7 2016, 15:14
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Jan 7 2016, 14:51
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karyl123
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QUOTE(pigowallace @ Jan 7 2016, 19:25)  Hi everyone! I have just one quick question... I have received the Tenbora's Box from the annual toplists. What should I do with it? Should I trade it at the shrine or is it better to sell it?
Thanks
sell never gamble. or you will be disapojnted.
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Jan 7 2016, 14:51
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(pigowallace @ Jan 7 2016, 19:25)  Hi everyone! I have just one quick question... I have received the Tenbora's Box from the annual toplists. What should I do with it? Should I trade it at the shrine or is it better to sell it?
Thanks
tenb box price is around 1,5M (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) you will get leg+ if you decide to shrine it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) up to you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Jan 7 2016, 15:10
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 7 2016, 02:01)  Since the topic rapier vs other weapon was brought up by Epion (and since I agree with the fact that rapier are not so good that they make everything else irrelevant) I did some test comparing two of my 1H weapon Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter with mild forging with Fire Strike Legendary Fiery Shortsword of Slaughter good WD + basic forging so Shortswords aren't as bad as one may think, huh? interesting. btw, what about a Shrtsword/Rapier vs Club/Rapier comparison? also, i have an average Axe to loan if you need: linkalso a better one, but soulfused at lv 387 QUOTE(DrasticMeasures @ Jan 7 2016, 07:36)  only because you will use 50 fragments. its block is pretty low - barely old EMax range QUOTE(pigowallace @ Jan 7 2016, 13:25)  Hi everyone! I have just one quick question... I have received the Tenbora's Box from the annual toplists. What should I do with it? Should I trade it at the shrine or is it better to sell it?
sell. yesterday i saw a thread in which tenboras were valued 3M each. don't know if it's still open, but usual quotation it's still 1.5M. for that price, you can easily leave the gamble duty to someone other.
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Jan 7 2016, 15:15
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karyl123
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jan 7 2016, 19:53)  slaughter mau ngak ? ada 2 nih tapi of slaughter , ryl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) gratis boleh, cuma mau tes pakai rapier banding shortsword kencang mana, test pake mag axe slaughter pab 2 no str, lumayan kencang. 1 momon 7-8 hit juga.
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Jan 7 2016, 15:24
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sssss2
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Jan 7 2016, 16:11)  Interesting, so its like redwood vs willow? That is they are actually quite close.
In most situations, Redwood deals more damage than Willow. (both magic score and real damage) But Willow's high depr prof and CR are so much useful for Imperil.
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Jan 7 2016, 15:25
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 7 2016, 14:10)  so Shortswords aren't as bad as one may think, huh? interesting. btw, what about a Shrtsword/Rapier vs Club/Rapier comparison?
I have a rapier of the nimble and a club of slaughter, but I'm missing both DW prof and a good light set (and soul fragments). And if I can I would gladly not IW anything else for the moment.
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Jan 7 2016, 15:47
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Cleavs
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Shade esperts, one question: i should look for an upgrade of my current Breastplate (an unforged 0.81 Mag of Shadowdancer), mainly for boosting ADB. i was thinking about a Savage, but Savage of SD aren't so easy to find. best choices i have atm are these ones: now, apart for my natural disliking to waste a shitton of Fragments, what may be the best option? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 7 2016, 14:25)  I have a rapier of the nimble and a club of slaughter, but I'm missing both DW prof and a good light set (and soul fragments). And if I can I would gladly not IW anything else for the moment. uh, well, then i suppose we'll speak again about this (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Jan 7 2016, 16:00
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Factofu
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Thank you very much for the answer, I'll looking for a good offer! ^^
This post has been edited by pigowallace: Jan 7 2016, 16:00
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Jan 7 2016, 16:16
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nec1986
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Jan 7 2016, 16:24)  In most situations, Redwood deals more damage than Willow. (both magic score and real damage)
How you counted that? Im agree magic score ll be higher, but i dont think on pf it ll be lower damage. Actually i think even on lower diff with good forge willow ll be better.
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Jan 7 2016, 16:18
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scrateur
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 7 2016, 22:47)  Shade esperts, one question: i should look for an upgrade of my current Breastplate (an unforged 0.81 Mag of Shadowdancer), mainly for boosting ADB. i was thinking about a Savage, but Savage of SD aren't so easy to find. best choices i have atm are these ones: now, apart for my natural disliking to waste a shitton of Fragments, what may be the best option? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) The negation one, since it has all around better stats in everything you haven't already mentioned including ADB. I'm using one myself on my Shade set too I think. And personally, I would never spend more than 70 soulfragments on fusing a Mag when Leg cost the same amount... Oh yeah, I got a question too... Using Items is still 0 action speed, right? This post has been edited by scrateur: Jan 7 2016, 16:19
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Jan 7 2016, 16:33
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(scrateur @ Jan 7 2016, 15:18)  The negation one, since it has all around better stats in everything you haven't already mentioned including ADB. I'm using one myself on my Shade set too I think.
And personally, I would never spend more than 70 soulfragments on fusing a Mag when Leg cost the same amount...
uhu. meanwhile, my situation is a bit better. did a trade with izke for his similar Negation one (bounded at lv341) and with basic lv5 forging, apart for the obvious ADB boost (+200) i have +3 ACC, -1 Crit Chance, -0.4 Evade, +7 Resist. this for all those interested. not bad, i'd say (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(scrateur @ Jan 7 2016, 15:18)  Oh yeah, I got a question too... Using Items is still 0 action speed, right?
yep. 0 action speed but still one turn used - with +1 to total turn counter, -10OC etc etc
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Jan 7 2016, 16:59
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scrateur
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Ah ok, I was wondering why I got hit while using a mana potion, but I forgot about stun. Almost died because of it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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