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post Dec 29 2015, 17:54
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 29 2015, 17:00) *

Usually 1,5-2x. With cheap melee set i could finish pffest in 4+ hours. With current mage its only ~1,5 hours for 1000 pffest rounds. Not sure how fast d be similar melee, but maybe around 3 hours. So its twice difference. Between top mage and top melee difference is lower, but top melee is more expensive. Also dont forget its different playstyle. With melee i could easy play in background, but for mage its not so easy (specially with imperil).


Thanks for info, still interested in D&D comparison (I heard its huge)
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post Dec 29 2015, 18:09
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QUOTE(Benny-boy @ Dec 29 2015, 16:54) *

Thanks for info, still interested in D&D comparison (I heard its huge)

Unless we're talking about holy/dark mage SG arenas should actually be a problem for mages because of SG target having a lot of hp (single target damage is not where mages excel at).
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post Dec 29 2015, 18:37
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PF dwd for good holy is something near 20 minutes. For elemental slightly higher.
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post Dec 29 2015, 18:49
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jenga can clear PFU DwD in 12min with his holy set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

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post Dec 29 2015, 18:51
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How to become MEMBER in hentaiverse?
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post Dec 29 2015, 19:24
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How to become MEMBER in hentaiverse?


What do you mean?
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post Dec 29 2015, 19:25
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 29 2015, 08:49) *

jenga can clear PFU DwD in 12min with his holy set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Holy shit what's he armed with, a Peerless Staff of Time Travel?
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post Dec 29 2015, 19:30
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How to become MEMBER in hentaiverse?

What? Guild member? First you need to make a guild.
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post Dec 29 2015, 19:53
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 29 2015, 18:37) *

PF dwd for good holy is something near 20 minutes. For elemental slightly higher.


QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Dec 29 2015, 18:49) *

jenga can clear PFU DwD in 12min with his holy set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


Hm, around x2 isn't bad, I try it around lvl.400, thanks
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post Dec 29 2015, 20:25
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Hi everyone, I'm a beginner, a level 14 Novice, and as I am not as good in english as I used to be, I would like some help <3

I just bought an Exquisite Axe of Slaughter because I wanted to buy a weapon, I think it could help me, but I can't equip it. Is it because my character level has to be the same as the weapon's level ?

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post Dec 29 2015, 20:28
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Mea culpa : I just didn't see it on the wiki, now I know the answer is yes, sorry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Dec 29 2015, 20:37
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QUOTE(Panguro @ Dec 30 2015, 02:25) *

Hi everyone, I'm a beginner, a level 14 Novice, and as I am not as good in english as I used to be, I would like some help <3

I just bought an Exquisite Axe of Slaughter because I wanted to buy a weapon, I think it could help me, but I can't equip it. Is it because my character level has to be the same as the weapon's level ?

Thanks for answering me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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Sent u some starting equipment, check ur mooglemail for it.
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post Dec 29 2015, 20:48
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Light (at lv 344 + max proficiency)
Superior Rapier of Balance
Exquisite Force Shield of Protection
Magnificent Shade Helmet of Negation
Magnificent Agile Leather Breastplate of Warding
Exquisite Shade Gauntlets of Negation
Magnificent Leather Leggings of Warding
Magnificent Agile Leather Boots of Dampening

DwD - PFUDOR
[Damage] Average: 1597 / Piercing: 41% / Crushing: 23% / Slashing: 11% / Void: 7% / Dark: 4% / Holy: 3% / Cold: 2% / Fire: 2% / Wind: 1% / Elec: 1%
[Used Item] Mana Draught: 144 / Spirit Draught: 132 / Mana Potion: 66 / Health Potion: 31 / Mystic Gem: 8 / Mana Gem: 7 / Health Gem: 5 / Spirit Gem: 4 / Spirit Potion: 2
[Skill & Spell] Shield Bash: 1159 / Vital Strike: 1121 / Merciful Blow: 1073 / Cure: 998 / Shadow Veil: 150 / Spirit Shield: 138 / Regen: 133 / Haste: 113 / Protection: 55 / Heartseeker: 55
28,361 turns - 692,533,447 exp - 26,946 credits

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Heavy (at lv 343 + max proficiency)
Superior Rapier of Balance
Exquisite Force Shield of Protection
Superior Power Helmet of Slaughter
Exquisite Plate Cuirass of Dampening
Exquisite Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Leggings of Slaughter
Exquisite Power Boots of Slaughter

DwD - PFUDOR
[Damage] Average: 1579 / Piercing: 24% / Crushing: 24% / Void: 14% / Dark: 9% / Slashing: 8% / Fire: 6% / Holy: 5% / Cold: 2% / Wind: 2% / Elec: 1%
[Used Item] Mana Draught: 247 / Mana Potion: 226 / Spirit Draught: 187 / Health Potion: 119 / Spirit Potion: 45 / Spirit Gem: 7 / Mana Gem: 6 / Health Gem: 4 / Mystic Gem: 2
[Skill & Spell] Cure: 1730 / Shield Bash: 1203 / Vital Strike: 1163 / Merciful Blow: 1107 / Haste: 307 / Shadow Veil: 194 / Spirit Shield: 175 / Regen: 175 / Heartseeker: 77 / Protection: 66
27,965 turns - 439,894,668 exp - 31,383 credits

My light set seems to far out preform my heavy set atm...
Cure casts: 998 vs 1730
Mana Draught: 144 vs 247
Mana Potion: 31 vs 226
Turns: 28,361 vs 27,965
Damage: 1597 vs 1579

I know my heavy set isn't where it needs to be at all but it just doesn't feel worth it changing until it's far superior.
Looking at the stat difference:
[i.imgur.com] Light stats vs [i.imgur.com] Heavy stats
Attack Dmg: 3361 vs 4464
Crit %: 34.1 vs 24.5
Att speed %: 27 vs 1.3

Phy mit: 67.9 vs 67.4
Mag mit: 65.8 vs 61
Evade: 28.1 vs 0
Parry: 36 vs 33.7
Resist: 59 vs 14.1

Fire: 16 vs 0
Wind: 20 vs 0
Crush: 30.8 vs 39.7
Slash: 26.8 vs 45.1
Pierce: 10.3 vs 44.9

I'm assuming the biggest reason Light feels better for me is the large evade and resist values over my heavy set?
Any advice? (other than get better gear, have some more for heavy set but lvling to use it)

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post Dec 29 2015, 20:58
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just wow ;O im speechless.. lvl 340 and a gold star but a Super rapier of balance ;O ;O this is surely a big joke (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Dec 29 2015, 21:00
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QUOTE(kazsax11 @ Dec 29 2015, 21:48) *

I'm assuming the biggest reason Light feels better for me is the large evade and resist values over my heavy set?
Any advice? (other than get better gear, have some more for heavy set but lvling to use it)


You can look for decent legendary power of protection in aucs. Its usually cheap (50-200k per piece). Or look for good shield with forge. Reason why ppl use heavy is because its very good adb with good defense. And by a good defense i mean 0 cures. In other words defense can be good in both cases (specially on higher level), but attack is maximal only with power armor.
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post Dec 29 2015, 21:01
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Well, if your set of heavy has lower mitigation and parry than light I can see why you're in trouble.
And that's why I advise against going full slaughter unless you don't have trouble staying alive (10 cure per rounds is too much).
A mix of power of protection/warding (mag+ with 3PAB) and slaughter helps a lot in staying alive and doing damage instead of curing.

With a good power set you should not be curing more than 1-2 times per round (for reference on DwD I don't use haste, shadow veil and my cures are like no more than 20).
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post Dec 29 2015, 21:02
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Dec 29 2015, 18:58) *

just wow ;O im speechless.. lvl 340 and a gold star but a Super rapier of balance ;O ;O this is surely a big joke (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Back after over a year inactive, the rapier was just picked up since I got back since I was using dif things for dw.
Got http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ff63428a11 but need 351...

Honestly they next purchase I was thinking about was OFC then gear, since I can actually use OFC in the mean time while I'll be finding/upgrading gear I get.

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post Dec 29 2015, 21:30
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QUOTE(kazsax11 @ Dec 29 2015, 19:48) *

I'm assuming the biggest reason Light feels better for me is the large evade and resist values over my heavy set?
Any advice? (other than get better gear, have some more for heavy set but lvling to use it)

Hmm ... aside from the obvious? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Try it without Shadow Veil, Heavy is more about blocking than Light. You're losing a sizable portion of blocks/damage by having a higher dodge chance (remember: Dodge then Block then Parry/Resist).
True you get hit less often, but you lose about 9% counter to dodge from Shadow Veil, on the other hand it's 16% more hits that get through, but mobs are stunned more often (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Back to the obvious ... you're missing a couple PAB's on items in both sets, this quickly adds up to a sizable sum of missed stats. The below is what i'd go for (actually still wear...) and is comparatively cheap in Auctions. (read 50-150k a piece for Warding/Protection)
QUOTE(Sapo84 @ 2 posts further up)
A mix of power of protection/warding (mag+ with 3PAB) and slaughter helps a lot in staying alive and doing damage instead of curing.


QUOTE(kazsax11 @ Dec 29 2015, 20:02) *

Back after over a year inactive, the rapier was just picked up since I got back since I was using dif things for dw.
Got http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ff63428a11 but need 351...

Honestly they next purchase I was thinking about was OFC then gear, since I can actually use OFC in the mean time while I'll be finding/upgrading gear I get.

If you want to soulfuse the rapier, you may want to consider soulfusing it earlier (should cost about 5 fragments extra)
Also OFC really helps on SG arenas for heavy. I assume you take the most damage (you need to cure from) from normal monsters and not the SG's? The "easy technique" is just to nuke all normal mobs at the start of the round and then regenerate OC and OFC cooldown while beating down SG's.
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post Dec 29 2015, 21:42
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QUOTE(kazsax11 @ Dec 29 2015, 18:48) *
That's a huge problem. Superior? Level 259? Weapon is by far your most important slot.

Heck, you'll probably have better results with an Average rapier.
QUOTE(kazsax11 @ Dec 29 2015, 18:48) *
Shadow Veil: 194
That's another problem, though understandable if you have to Cure a lot.
QUOTE(kazsax11 @ Dec 29 2015, 18:48) *
My light set seems to far out preform my heavy set atm...
Cure casts: 998 vs 1730
Mana Draught: 144 vs 247
Mana Potion: 31 vs 226
Turns: 28,361 vs 27,965
Damage: 1597 vs 1579
Although Power is significantly more effective than Light at higher levels, PF DwD is probably the place where Light has the biggest relative advantage. In ordinary play, incoming magic damage is quite low, and often you can spot and kill the dangerous Sprites/Celestials before they get 100 SP. Incoming magic damage probably only accounts for 15%? of damage taken, and a lot of that is from plain attacks and MP attacks. But in DwD, incoming damage is much more frequently magical, and not only that, also much more frequently hard-hitting SP attacks. So heavy armor with no Resist will be at a serious disadvantage to Light compared to normal arenas.

Is the disadvantage worth it? With enough quality gear and forging, you'll almost never have to Cure, so even if damage taken is higher than with Light, if you don't Cure anyway, it doesn't matter, so getting more ADB via Power is the best option. At lower levels or with lower gear quality, where incoming damage is still serious, it could be that Light/Shade is better than Power on PF DwD, as you're finding, mainly due to Light's Resist.

There are a few things related to playstyle though:
(*) No use of Fullcure? It's great, especially with high Heavy prof and Jug on gears.
(*) Have you tried just using plain mousemelee all the time instead of using weapon skills? It's a lot less tedious that way.
(*) Do you have OFC? Once 8-9 monsters start spawning, using OFC at the beginning of the round saves time and reduces damage taken by a huge amount.
(*) Do you have Stronger Spirit maxed? 20% spirit shield is the biggest way Heavy makes up for its lack of resist.
(*) Don't be afraid to use health draughts, they cost nothing and ease the burden on your mana. Same for health potions. Even health elixirs are only 80c or so.
(*) Dampening is no good on high difficulty SG arenas. You either want Power for more damage, Power Warding or Plate Warding for reduced magical damage taken, or Power Slaughter.

IA2 will significantly reduce your mana potion problem. You'll get it eventually, and it'll always be useful (unlike equipment which gets discarded), so you may prioritize it over anything else.
Although it's clear that with that gear, Light outperforms Heavy on PF DwD, have you looked at the stats for ordinary arenas? Heavy is at its biggest disadvantage on PF DwD, after all.
A good weapon will let you kill faster and will reduce Heavy' disadvantages, since monsters will be dying somewhat more quickly, so they'll have less chance to use their SP attacks during the later parts of a round. Even a random Average rapier you can find in the bazaar for 1000c will probably be better than the one you have equipped.
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post Dec 29 2015, 22:10
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