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post Aug 18 2011, 03:03
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I still melee regularly, so I'm still intimate with its workings. I'm probably gonna do DWD this weekend with my Slaughter armor for lulz since I hit 300 sooner than expected with the monster composition change.

I do my part by making sarcastic jabs about how much melee sucks rather than flat-out trolling. Its usually more subtle.
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:08
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Wow. It pays to update your gear once in a while. The scythe I just got is destroying Arenas. At least until I got critted for 600 damage and died (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) damned Giants.

Tested it in grindfests, oddly enough I still reach a limit of about 30-40 rounds until I have to retire. It's still loads faster than dual wield though. Guess I'll just save dual wields for RoB.

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post Aug 18 2011, 03:13
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QUOTE(sushi0 @ Aug 17 2011, 19:48) *

I melee regularly and I don't find it to be too bad. In some scenarios meleeing is actually far superior to maging.

Also, I'm a sad panda that no one finds my monster annoying.

Melee is awful. For me. Only because I don't have any pre-nerf legendary 1H/2H to compare with, so...

And you have a monster? No, seriously, I've never even noticed it.

QUOTE(buktore @ Aug 17 2011, 19:58) *

You guys should do your part too; go troll Tenb until he boost melee more. I have done my part in the past year or so...

That's not how tenboro works. He'll nerf melee back down to mage level soon enough.

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post Aug 18 2011, 03:15
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Aug 17 2011, 18:13) *
That's not how tenboro works. He'll nerf melee back down to mage level soon enough.


Lol >.< the overcharge change might be a nerf?
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post Aug 18 2011, 03:26
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Aug 17 2011, 20:13) *

Melee is awful. For me. Only because I don't have any pre-nerf legendary 1H/2H to compare with, so...

And you have a monster? No, seriously, I've never even noticed it.

The only people who should notice her are melees and fire/cold mages. Elec/Wind mages would tear her a new one since her resistances are still negative.
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post Aug 18 2011, 04:06
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QUOTE(cmal @ Aug 17 2011, 18:40) *

Nobody remembers my Commandments for Melee Players back when I actually replied seriously in this thread as one of the major melee players.


I'm new here so I obviously never got a chance to read that the first time. Anyone got a link to it handy? Meanwhile I'll continue reading the 41 pages of posts cmal has made in the HV Chat subforum so far...
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post Aug 18 2011, 08:00
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Aug 18 2011, 04:13) *

nerf melee


Um, Hito, do you by any chance still have any Kevlar-ish pieces for sale? >_<
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post Aug 18 2011, 10:30
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Is it better to use some equip that is higher than your level? Because I have 2 equips, one is on my level, and the other is higher. the higher one give better stats (the number in the brackets), and the difference in burden/interference is not much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

edit: also is it better to use low bleed dmg with high chance, or high bleed dmg with low chance?

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post Aug 18 2011, 10:38
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QUOTE(blue12 @ Aug 18 2011, 11:30) *

Is it better to use some equip that is higher than your level? Because I have 2 equips, one is on my level, and the other is higher. the higher one give better stats (the number in the brackets), and the difference in burden/interference is not much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

edit: also is it better to use low bleed dmg with high chance, or high bleed dmg with low chance?

Using higher level item means it will scale itself as you level up, so it is up to you to decide.
If you've got hight crit chance you can afford yourself a weapon with low proc %. Still, I would not use a Scythe with <20% proc anyway.
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post Aug 18 2011, 10:50
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QUOTE(rawrboy @ Aug 17 2011, 20:15) *

Lol >.< the overcharge change might be a nerf?

Pretty sure he already said it won't boost damage anymore.

QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 18 2011, 01:00) *

Um, Hito, do you by any chance still have any Kevlar-ish pieces for sale? >_<

Maybe a couple. I don't have time for HV right now though. What little free time I have is being spent going through C80 stuff right now.
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post Aug 18 2011, 10:59
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Aug 18 2011, 11:50) *

Pretty sure he already said it won't boost damage anymore.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 30 2011, 10:56) *

It's not intentional. At some point, the damage bonus for overcharge and the hath perk was rolled into the "get attack damage" calculation, but it was never removed from the counter code.

Of course, since overcharge will eventually stop being used as a damage mod when it gets its true purpose, this will only affect the hath perk part of the damage when I get around to fix it.


It still does for the time being, right?
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post Aug 18 2011, 11:16
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 18 2011, 01:59) *

It still does for the time being, right?


Yep. wonder what it'll get changed to though.
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post Aug 18 2011, 11:30
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 18 2011, 15:38) *

Using higher level item means it will scale itself as you level up, so it is up to you to decide.
If you've got hight crit chance you can afford yourself a weapon with low proc %. Still, I would not use a Scythe with <20% proc anyway.


my weapon is Scythe with 17% bleed chance, 9.36% crit chance, and bleed for 3 turn @184 dmg

QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Aug 18 2011, 15:50) *

Pretty sure he already said it won't boost damage anymore.
Maybe a couple. I don't have time for HV right now though. What little free time I have is being spent going through C80 stuff right now.


where do you find all that c80 stuff? (other than this site)

also a personal rant, I feel that Regen I is near useless without shield, or my equipment just suck at hard. They do 90~ dmg and my Regen I is only 50 health (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

and I absolutely hate any monster that too stubborn to die, what's with one more hit to kill and miss for 3/4/5 turns? >_>

/end of personal, little, useless, and meaningless rant

edit: is there a quick way to compare stats in equipment at shop and the one currently equipped?

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post Aug 18 2011, 11:42
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ Aug 18 2011, 12:50) *

What little free time I have is being spent going through C80 stuff right now.

C80 may refer to:
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  • Final Articles Revision Convention, 1946 code
  • New Coalinga Municipal Airport FAA LID
  • Ruy Lopez chess openings ECO code
  • Malignant neoplasm without specification of site ICD-10 code
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post Aug 18 2011, 12:13
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What's the quickest way to take on the Trio as a mage?
I've tried both of these:
Yggdrasil → Verdandil (speed) → Urd (defense) → Skuld (attack)
Yggdrasil → Skuld (attack) → Verdandil (speed) → Urd (defense)
but I'm not really satisfied.
Maybe I should leave Verdandil for last.
QUOTE(Evil Scorpio @ Aug 18 2011, 11:42) *

Comiket 80.
https://e-hentai.org/tag/c80
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post Aug 18 2011, 12:58
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Aug 18 2011, 18:13) *

What's the quickest way to take on the Trio as a mage?
I've tried both of these:
Yggdrasil → Verdandil (speed) → Urd (defense) → Skuld (attack)
Yggdrasil → Skuld (attack) → Verdandil (speed) → Urd (defense)
but I'm not really satisfied.
Maybe I should leave Verdandil for last.


My preference goes to
1. Kill Yggdrasil
2. Spam elemental spells on Urd -> Verdandil -> Skuld, in order to take advantage of those procs.
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post Aug 18 2011, 13:00
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Actually what are they? I am going to ding 200 soon and I wonder what should I do to pass that "Trio" challenge? Do I need to switch myself to void-based DW for them?
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post Aug 18 2011, 13:03
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 18 2011, 19:00) *

Actually what are they? I am going to ding 200 soon and I wonder what should I do to pass that "Trio" challenge? Do I need to switch myself to void-based DW for them?


The Trio are easier than Konata.
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post Aug 18 2011, 18:22
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QUOTE(blue12 @ Aug 18 2011, 04:30) *

Is it better to use some equip that is higher than your level? Because I have 2 equips, one is on my level, and the other is higher. the higher one give better stats (the number in the brackets), and the difference in burden/interference is not much (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

edit: also is it better to use low bleed dmg with high chance, or high bleed dmg with low chance?



in my experience (which isn't much more than yours really) I've found using a higher level item to be better as you'll have to change equipment less often (it'll grow with you so it gets better at the same time as you, instead of staying the same while you advance)

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though the preference would be high proc AND high bleed, i would take the higher bleed over higher proc, depending on just how much. if it's 25% for 150 and 18% for 175 i'd say go for the proc. My current best bleeder is a longsword (bastard beat out all my scythes!) with 21% proc, 3 turns, 177 dmg. It's not -great-, but i haven't really found a better one in the WTS *when i have the money to buy it.

*sometimes i feel like Tensaigamoon, wandering into the item shop and unloading 10-20k in creds on crystals. not much to you high levels but shit that's a week of creds for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Aug 18 2011, 18:46
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QUOTE(RajaNagaSoz @ Aug 18 2011, 09:22) *

though the preference would be high proc AND high bleed, i would take the higher bleed over higher proc, depending on just how much. if it's 25% for 150 and 18% for 175 i'd say go for the proc. My current best bleeder is a longsword (bastard beat out all my scythes!) with 21% proc, 3 turns, 177 dmg. It's not -great-, but i haven't really found a better one in the WTS *when i have the money to buy it.

*sometimes i feel like Tensaigamoon, wandering into the item shop and unloading 10-20k in creds on crystals. not much to you high levels but shit that's a week of creds for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


You forgetting about the duration for bleed. You want a decent duration as well, 3+ at your level would be good. I often see *decent* scythes on the bazaar from time to time, you might wanna check once in awhile.
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