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Oct 28 2015, 19:10
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japidura
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Are T3 divine/dark spells useful for melee players? It seems said spells only benefit from playing as mage, which I'm not interested to play as for now.
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Oct 28 2015, 19:13
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2015, 10:13)  2H isn't really good nowadays, especially given the lack of ACC and parry. casual players will only make it work at low difficulties (yesterday i went DwD at hell with my mace and it took forever. not 42min, literally hours =.= ). good styles nowadays are 1H and DW
what kind of weapons do you use for DW? tbh which are the best for clearing the fastest? and is it possible to do it on PF DWD then? currently im using a ethreal Axe and my slaughter rapier
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Oct 28 2015, 19:16
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 29 2015, 00:13)  what kind of weapons do you use for DW? tbh which are the best for clearing the fastest? and is it possible to do it on PF DWD then? currently im using a ethreal Axe and my slaughter rapier
yes (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) old DW user that back playing again ~ T_starrk ~ can clear PFU DwD with his light DW set (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) try to use club + rapier (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Oct 28 2015, 19:24
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(japidura @ Oct 28 2015, 17:10)  Are T3 divine/dark spells useful for melee players? It seems said spells only benefit from playing as mage, which I'm not interested to play as for now. No. Next to no damage, waste of mana and turns.
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Oct 28 2015, 19:35
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(japidura @ Oct 28 2015, 18:10)  Are T3 divine/dark spells useful for melee players? It seems said spells only benefit from playing as mage, which I'm not interested to play as for now.
in the past Ragnarok was very useful for Siphon Spirit process. but now with unlimited potions it's useless - not even worth to grind prof to have them QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 28 2015, 18:13)  what kind of weapons do you use for DW? tbh which are the best for clearing the fastest? and is it possible to do it on PF DWD then? currently im using a ethreal Axe and my slaughter rapier
rapier of slaughter (the same i use for 1H) + waki of nimble + shade armors, mostly savage shadowdancer/fleet. i tried also the club + rapier combo but rapier + waki seems to work better. almost nothing forged past lv5 (except for parry on waki), and not even all the armors. never tried PF DwD, but surely REs are easy walk. IWTBH IWs and a couple of PF second page arenas as well. you need more supportive spells and caution than 1H, but it works pretty well
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Oct 28 2015, 19:43
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 28 2015, 20:16)  yes (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) old DW user that back playing again ~ T_starrk ~ can clear PFU DwD with his light DW set (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) try to use club + rapier (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2015, 20:35)  in the past Ragnarok was very useful for Siphon Spirit process. but now with unlimited potions it's useless - not even worth to grind prof to have them rapier of slaughter (the same i use for 1H) + waki of nimble + shade armors, mostly savage shadowdancer/fleet. i tried also the club + rapier combo but rapier + waki seems to work better. almost nothing forged past lv5 (except for parry on waki), and not even all the armors.
never tried PF DwD, but surely REs are easy walk. IWTBH IWs and a couple of PF second page arenas as well. you need more supportive spells and caution than 1H, but it works pretty well
isnt heavy armour better for more faster damage? Club might be good but waki? that way you would need to build up PA'S with your Rapier as if you would use 1H.. and thats low/slow damage.. I like my Axe but i havent catched up my Profciency with my level yet, so havent tried anything difficult. but its definetly good for low difficult and hunt SG's, even with my profiency im really fast right now
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Oct 28 2015, 19:51
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 28 2015, 18:43)  isnt heavy armour better for more faster damage? Club might be good but waki? that way you would need to build up PA'S with your Rapier as if you would use 1H.. and thats low/slow damage.. I like my Axe but i havent catched up my Profciency with my level yet, so havent tried anything difficult. but its definetly good for low difficult and hunt SG's, even with my profiency im really fast right now
waki is to boost parry, ACC, and evade (even crit if rapier isn't balance). switching from rapier + waki to club + rapier (albeit not IWed, tbh) for me means to lose 11 ACC, 2.5 evade, 26 parry. i'd earn 600 ADB, but a better waki is going to come, so i expect for the difference to be less evident (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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Oct 28 2015, 19:55
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nobody_xxx
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well , because you will be busy casting cure if you using DW with power slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) last time I using DW heavy ~ 2013 ~ with full set leg power of protection that forged alot in defense stats , I still need cast weaken at late round of PFU DwD (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) that when high lvl monster still few , not crowded like now (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Oct 28 2015, 19:56
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Oct 28 2015, 19:58
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 28 2015, 17:43)  isnt heavy armour better for more faster damage? Yes, but you'll be Curing a ton if you're using DW with heavy armor. That's why the way to maximize damage on any interesting difficulty is to 1h with heavy armor - weapon style for good defense, power armor for good offense. It's weird, you'd think it should be the other way around, right?
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Oct 28 2015, 20:03
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Nekokon
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Oct 28 2015, 12:51)  Cats know they can use Spark as well, it's the secret behind their nine lives.
But I don't wanna use spark with spirit shield O AO Normally it's either "there're too many monsters with small hits, and spirit shield won't proc, so I use spark" or "there're only a few monsters but they hit like magical unicorn cannon, so I use spirit shield". Both happened means I forgot to change difficulty back after doing random encounter, or I found my masochist self Q xQ I think I'll try fumbling around with different setup for IW >"< Might as well try out my crappy mage set too. All this IW thingy is favouring offensive build way too much (/ ` A')/
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Oct 28 2015, 20:14
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Fap.Fap
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yeah so... what would you suggest for light armour? never used any before and what would be a approximate timing to clear a PF DWD with DW light armour? just asking, maybe 1h Rapier is still faster thanks to more damage with power slaughter? I only wantd a fast set to clear the SG arenas on Hard anyways and DW would be the best
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Oct 28 2015, 20:22
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japidura
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 28 2015, 17:24)  No. Next to no damage, waste of mana and turns.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2015, 17:35)  in the past Ragnarok was very useful for Siphon Spirit process. but now with unlimited potions it's useless - not even worth to grind prof to have them
Thanks for the answers. I was thinking in unlocking them to aid me against the schoolgirls and boost the clear times in the later arenas since according to the wiki three of them are weak against holy/dark damage but it seems pointless now. Hope I can find a good hallowed/demonic weapon drop someday. This post has been edited by japidura: Oct 28 2015, 20:52
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Oct 28 2015, 20:31
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 28 2015, 19:14)  yeah so... what would you suggest for light armour? never used any before
shade for sure. if you just want a set for hard, then go for a hybrid Negation (Resist boost)/Fleet (Evade boost)/Arcanist (WIS boost) set, possibly savage, mag quality and 4 PABs (6 for Arcanist). they aren't the bandwagon so they shouldn't be very expensive. Shadowdancer (boosts both Evade and Crit chance) may be a bit expensive, but if you can find cheap pieces, go for them. btw, what's your budget? [vulture mode] i may have something for you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) [/vulture mode]
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Oct 28 2015, 20:43
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 28 2015, 21:31)  shade for sure. if you just want a set for hard, then go for a hybrid Negation (Resist boost)/Fleet (Evade boost)/Arcanist (WIS boost) set, possibly savage, mag quality and 4 PABs (6 for Arcanist). they aren't the bandwagon so they shouldn't be very expensive. Shadowdancer (boosts both Evade and Crit chance) may be a bit expensive, but if you can find cheap pieces, go for them. btw, what's your budget? [vulture mode] i may have something for you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool2.gif) [/vulture mode] well, for Hard power slaughter is just the right thing since it gives you much more ADB and you need Zero evade chance for that difficulty ^^ so Shadowdancer is the norm for a strong Light set? budget is always high, IF i find something to cool to play with ;p This post has been edited by Fap.Fap: Oct 28 2015, 20:44
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Oct 28 2015, 20:52
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Oct 28 2015, 18:03)  But I don't wanna use spark with spirit shield O AO Normally it's either "there're too many monsters with small hits, and spirit shield won't proc, so I use spark" or "there're only a few monsters but they hit like magical unicorn cannon, so I use spirit shield". Both happened means I forgot to change difficulty back after doing random encounter, or I found my masochist self Q xQ
I think I'll try fumbling around with different setup for IW >"< Might as well try out my crappy mage set too. All this IW thingy is favouring offensive build way too much (/ ` A')/ On difficult battle series, you either wish to use both, or you wish to die when you get unlucky. Which do you prefer? This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Oct 28 2015, 20:53
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Oct 28 2015, 21:23
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 28 2015, 11:52)  On difficult battle series, you either wish to use both, or you wish to die when you get unlucky.
Which do you prefer?
Please be a bit clearer about the choices available to the user in that scenario. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 28 2015, 21:39
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Nekokon
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If it's like that I would be chunking potions/spam heal nonstop and ought to fail sooner or later anyway >"< Spamming pot for the last few rounds might be ok, but I would rather not play on that difficulty and get abused again and again (/ ` A')/ I am the one who knocks (/ ` A')/
This post has been edited by Nekokon: Oct 28 2015, 21:41
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Oct 28 2015, 23:15
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Sapo84
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I can clear Nintendo IW (leg gear, 91 rounds) in 15 minuttes without even spirit shield (generally spending 1-3 spirit draughts and 0-2 mana draughts, depending on gem drops). IW it's viable with 1H, you just have to choose the difficulty you can clear with less sparks/pots. Also, as Superlatanium said a few days ago, a good shield block is necessary for defences, and you need a lot of them in the later rounds. Moving to a decent shield to a very good one +5 forged makes a lot of difference. When I switched from this to this, even at a comparable level of forging I could handle PFUDOR in the same way I was handling IWBTH before, one full level. This post has been edited by Sapo84: Oct 28 2015, 23:16
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Oct 29 2015, 00:00
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Nekokon
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I kind of wanna save money to switch to mage, that's why I don't wanna get a new shield and upgrade it :C For now I think I should stay around Nightmare and do it slowly :C Hearing mage can't do highest difficulties without superb gears kind of broke my heart, but at least if I can get a decent set I might be able to IW everything else easier than this Q xQ
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