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post Oct 27 2015, 15:15
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QUOTE(silentstalker @ Oct 27 2015, 19:16) *

Havent played this game for 4 or 5 years.
I found that x1 is very difficult lol


wow. if you get some rare old equipment like scythe or sword chucks, it will net you some money. dont bazzarr lol
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post Oct 27 2015, 15:23
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Oct 27 2015, 05:42) *

When looking at a piece of equipment, use Q/W/E/R/T for various functions. Oh, and if you mean how to install it, you need Greasemonkey (Firefox) or Tampermonkey (Chrome).

I was wondering if you could use it to more easily compare against your owned gear?
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post Oct 27 2015, 15:26
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 27 2015, 14:23) *

I was wondering if you could use it to more easily compare against your owned gear?

Against your equipped gear, yeah. Q and E do just that (Q compares the forged values if I recall well).
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post Oct 27 2015, 15:28
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Oct 27 2015, 14:15) *

wow. if you get some rare old equipment like scythe or sword chucks, it will net you some money. dont bazzarr lol

1) in queue! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
2) interested in scythes? i have a few of them taking dust, you know...
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post Oct 27 2015, 16:27
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 27 2015, 04:37) *

Yea, very cheap mage wont rly work. Minimal i d say:

1-2m credits
at least 100+, but probably 400+ soul fragments, because phase in auc/wts is usually high lvl binded.
Depr/element/cloth/staff Prof (with time)
IW (with time)
And maybe few perks

Thats if you wanna play high diff. And maybe that wont be enough. You need to kill all monsters (or most of em) before they use their mp attacks. On pf mobs have high speed/ high health, so you need damage for that. And yea, be ready to use cures very often.


I have almost 800k credit now, but should be able to get 1m around the time I got to 310.
With that much can I do IWBTH O xO ? Right now I can barely do Nintendo Trio and Tree in 30 - 40m >"<
With the same 1m would it be a better upgrade for melee to do IWBHT (like get better weapon/armor or get OFC) or can I still get a decent mage set and build up slowly ?

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post Oct 27 2015, 16:45
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I think you can do it with good legendary phases. Look more in aucs and bid 50-200k for items. Maybe not the first time, because no prof, no iw, but ive played quite long time without much forge and that was ok. So if you goal is mage, than upgrade melee doesnt looks very good idea.

Btw, usually fire is very cheap, but its a bit slower than other elementals. The best is wind and 2nd is elec. Holy has higher casting speed and mana price, but also higher damage and usually quite expensive. I have one selfdrop magnificent holy set without forge and that isnt very bad. But price ll be the first barrier. So think about which one you ll take or just look for cheap staff (redwood with matching suffix, prefix for elementals and hallowed oak for holy). Thats if you have enough soul fragments, can do iw and not laze to farm much prof.

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post Oct 27 2015, 16:46
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Oct 27 2015, 14:27) *
Rapier is not level 10, that's cutting some 25% off your total damage output.

All armor is just Superior-quality (with ADB pretty much as low as it can get, except for boots). Sure, you have to start somewhere, but that's not quite gonna cut it.

If you're going to continue with melee for some time, shield block should be forged to 5 or 10 - even a little forging on block increases defense substantially. But force shields require DMM, of course, so if you can find a kite shield or Bucker of Barrier with decent block, that'll save you a lot of credits - and for an equip that you'll replace sometime, if you don't have much funds now, avoiding force shield forging is probably a good idea. (But if you don't want to melee for much longer, of course, don't forge.)

You do need more credits before you can start out mage on the right foot. If you want to stop playing melee, then you should probably play the daily arenas on as low a difficulty as possible while still not going fast enough to fall under 30 stamina. That'll get you a lot of credits much more quickly than what you're doing now (very slow Nintendo?). You won't get much XP, but I think that's OK, since credits is the more limiting factor in the long run.
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post Oct 27 2015, 17:11
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Hi guys, i m not played some time and when come back i see a new update where i can use only 2 mana potion, and now i cant complete arena 100 rounds (and think i will cant if have all potions of mana, now very hard), have you guys any strategy about this?
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post Oct 27 2015, 17:12
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@nekokon

try to find rapier of slaughter , it will boost your damage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

lvling it up to max ( 10 ) will make your clear time faster (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

you even can find it in bazaar if you are lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


well , my friend found mag shocking rapier of slaughter in bazaar for less than 10k (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)



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post Oct 27 2015, 17:14
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QUOTE(stonewarrior @ Oct 27 2015, 22:11) *

Hi guys, i m not played some time and when come back i see a new update where i can use only 2 mana potion, and now i cant complete arena 100 rounds (and think i will cant if have all potions of mana, now very hard), have you guys any strategy about this?


the potion cooldown is 50 turn if I not wrong.

after 50 turn, you can use the same potion again
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post Oct 27 2015, 17:28
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Oct 27 2015, 20:14) *

the potion cooldown is 50 turn if I not wrong.

after 50 turn, you can use the same potion again



(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) good news, thx
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post Oct 27 2015, 18:10
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 27 2015, 22:45) *

I think you can do it with good legendary phases. Look more in aucs and bid 50-200k for items. Maybe not the first time, because no prof, no iw, but ive played quite long time without much forge and that was ok. So if you goal is mage, than upgrade melee doesnt looks very good idea.

Btw, usually fire is very cheap, but its a bit slower than other elementals. The best is wind and 2nd is elec. Holy has higher casting speed and mana price, but also higher damage and usually quite expensive. I have one selfdrop magnificent holy set without forge and that isnt very bad. But price ll be the first barrier. So think about which one you ll take or just look for cheap staff (redwood with matching suffix, prefix for elementals and hallowed oak for holy). Thats if you have enough soul fragments, can do iw and not laze to farm much prof.

btw why is elec no.2? Because giant is weak to elec? But it has the highest combined resist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Oct 27 2015, 18:14
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I think cold mage is more popular than elec mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Oct 27 2015, 18:20
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 27 2015, 17:10) *

btw why is elec no.2? Because giant is weak to elec? But it has the highest combined resist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

maybe because it procs Deep Burns? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Oct 27 2015, 18:40
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I think I'm gonna stick with melee until I got enough fund to switch Q xQ Should consider selling my soul for some credit too Q xQ
Gonna try IW my rapier to lv10 for now, since it's the cheapest upgrade. Totally forgot I can get extra element strike at lv 10 (/ ` A')/
I do prefer balance over slaughter though, since the attack increase is too small (like , 200 over my current 4000ish base attack). More crit means more PA proc too.

Does upgrading block on shield helps a lot ? I thought it only increase base block by a few % (like, 10% increase equal to <3% extra block, doesn't seem that big O 3O)
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post Oct 27 2015, 18:44
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Oct 27 2015, 23:40) *

I think I'm gonna stick with melee until I got enough fund to switch Q xQ Should consider selling my soul for some credit too Q xQ
Gonna try IW my rapier to lv10 for now, since it's the cheapest upgrade. Totally forgot I can get extra element strike at lv 10 (/ ` A')/
I do prefer balance over slaughter though, since the attack increase is too small (like , 200 over my current 4000ish base attack). More crit means more PA proc too.

Does upgrading block on shield helps a lot ? I thought it only increase base block by a few % (like, 10% increase equal to <3% extra block, doesn't seem that big O 3O)

yes , but better find some mag force shield or buckler of barrier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 27 2015, 18:44
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Oct 27 2015, 19:57) *

-snip-

Before any of that, you need to stop using the HV-Stat script. It slows down the gameplay a LOT.

QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 27 2015, 20:15) *

The best is wind and 2nd is elec.

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btw why is elec no.2? Because giant is weak to elec? But it has the highest combined resist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Elec is the best among the elementals. There are 3 main reasons for that.
1. It's innate 10% Resist Reduction effect on monsters makes it the fastest Elemental.
2. It's super effective against Giants and Mechanoids, which comprises of a big amount of high PL mobs.
3. It's Spike Shield is Wind, which is pretty good for defense sometimes.

"highest combined resist" don't mean shit. Not every type of monsters are equal in numbers, are they? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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I think cold mage is more popular than elec mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Nope. It's just that some rich people got bored playing Wind/Elec, so they are now using Cold. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Oct 27 2015, 19:08
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Oct 27 2015, 17:40) *

I think I'm gonna stick with melee until I got enough fund to switch Q xQ Should consider selling my soul for some credit too Q xQ
Gonna try IW my rapier to lv10 for now, since it's the cheapest upgrade. Totally forgot I can get extra element strike at lv 10 (/ ` A')/
I do prefer balance over slaughter though, since the attack increase is too small (like , 200 over my current 4000ish base attack). More crit means more PA proc too.

Does upgrading block on shield helps a lot ? I thought it only increase base block by a few % (like, 10% increase equal to <3% extra block, doesn't seem that big O 3O)

how're you going when it comes to soul fragments?
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post Oct 27 2015, 19:12
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 27 2015, 19:10) *

btw why is elec no.2? Because giant is weak to elec? But it has the highest combined resist (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Well, thats without spike shield effect. Overall difference is very exaggerated. For example i have fire and with 4+1 set its 40 (from imperil) + 0,68 prof (another 28). So not many mobs have enough mitg to overcome 68, but thats why difference exist. Giants is very common, their population with 1600+ pl is ~30%. They also are very tanky (high defense, high hp), so that means many other monsters just die before and giant makes our turns/round higher. So mostly yea, they are main reason. They weak to elec and wind. But if we look at wind than dragonkin is also weak to it. Another tanky monster with average population. Thats why wind is better.

But overall difference is very small. Its only 0-7 mitg for some mobs who sometimes can make us do additional turn. Many conditions and mostly its only 0-3% cleearspeed difference. But as i said its without spike shield effect. So im not sure about real position. Its quite complicated staff which not so easy to count. Difference exist only if makes our turns lower. So it should proc (low chance) and it should make difference (also small chance). And we also have defensive/offensive/combined pairs. As fire mage i can use deep burns which reduces resist by 10% in shield (and shield can proc early), so it looks nice, isnt? I should use it if i wanna explode damage. But that also means wind mage should use freezing limbs which reduce speed of monsters by 10%. And it can be even better, because mage uses many cures. Lower income damage - lower amount of cures. Not so easy to estimate stuff like this.
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post Oct 27 2015, 19:16
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yes , but better find some mag force shield or buckler of barrier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


There's hardly any buckler of barrier that would have better block than force shield even with 3% extra chance though.
I saw 2 legendary in the auction topic, but they're both around 33%, while my force one is at 39%. People only swap for buckle if they're going to upgrade it a lot right ? (which is not my case here ` A')

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But they arlert me when I'm about to die Q AQ I can't live without that Q xQ

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I have 103 fragments now ` 3`

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