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For Niten, what are the order of potencies? I wanna give it a try.

katana op and butcher
waki op and fat or swiftness

For Niten, what are the order of potencies? I wanna give it a try.

like to IW my rapier (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

btw, which weapons are you going to use?

Katana of Vampie / Waki of Banshee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

katana op and butcher
waki op and fat or swiftness

Gotcha. So OP is the main potency, eh?

Katana of Vampie / Waki of Banshee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

before 0.82 I actually thought of using the mp/sp suffix to safe pot usage in gf (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Didn't do it though

katana op and butcher

why butcher? wouldn't fatality be better, especially with high crits? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Katana of Vampie / Waki of Banshee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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Number is okay, but that ratio seems odd, especially with Tokenizer-I. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I was surprised too, because long time i have a bit problems with 5/day. Maybe its fortune comeback.

Gotcha. So OP is the main potency, eh?

Yes just like mage with counter resist, these "accuracy" buff should be always better because dmg buff will have overkill.

why butcher? wouldn't fatality be better, especially with high crits? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I did some math long time ago they should have about the same expected dmg, but butcher is more stable.

before 0.82 I actually thought of using the mp/sp suffix to safe pot usage in gf (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Didn't do it though

Before 0.82, they were quite good, especially Banshee. For MP we had Focus, remember?

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I was just kidding. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
For Niten, these are the Katanas that I want to test out:

1. Legendary Ethereal Katana of Slaughter
2. Legendary Ethereal Katana of Balance

I'm currently IWing the Balance Katana. So far no Shard was needed. After I'm done, I'll be IWing the Slaughter Katana.

And as for Wakizashi, I'll test each of the Balance/Nimble/Slaughter.

Maybe its fortune comeback.

Seems like it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yes just like mage with counter resist, these "accuracy" buff should be always better because dmg buff will have overkill.

Makes sense. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by tetron: Oct 25 2015, 20:11

I did some math long time ago they should have about the same expected dmg, but butcher is more stable.

may i see that math, if i can ask? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

For Niten, these are the Katanas that I want to test out:

1. Legendary Ethereal Katana of Slaughter
2. Legendary Ethereal Katana of Balance

I'm currently IWing the Balance Katana. So far no Shard was needed. After I'm done, I'll be IWing the Slaughter Katana.

And as for Wakizashi, I'll test each of the Balance/Nimble/Slaughter.

that katana is giong pretty well, i'd say. do you already have a waki per type?

do you already have a waki per type?

There are too many of them. I've chosen 3 from them for testing:

1. Peerless Arctic Wakizashi of Swiftness
2. Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of Balance
3. Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of Nimble

Don't have a good Slaughter Waki yet.

Can't put the links since I'm inside IW.

This post has been edited by tetron: Oct 25 2015, 20:45

I'm back with a few more somewhat-theory questions that hopefully there are some answers to:

1) Staff Proficiency: How do you do it? My Staff prof is now fairly far behind my level and it's not catching up at all. Do you just spend a whole day trying to get it to par?

2) Is it optimal to have a single high Proficiency Cloth piece for the proficiency-based counter resist/mana cost reduction purposes, or is full Phase still the way to go?

3) When it comes to staves and overall equipment, would a full Radiant-prefixed set be better with a staff with an EDB suffix (i.e. of Heimdall) or a staff of Destruction? What is the proper point of intersection for Magic Attack and EDB in this case?

I'm back with a few more somewhat-theory questions that hopefully there are some answers to:

1) Staff Proficiency: How do you do it? My Staff prof is now fairly far behind my level and it's not catching up at all. Do you just spend a whole day trying to get it to par?

2) Is it optimal to have a single high Proficiency Cloth piece for the proficiency-based counter resist/mana cost reduction purposes, or is full Phase still the way to go?

3) When it comes to staves and overall equipment, would a full Radiant-prefixed set be better with a staff with an EDB suffix (i.e. of Heimdall) or a staff of Destruction? What is the proper point of intersection for Magic Attack and EDB in this case?

1) Yes.

2) Yes. Full Phase is no longer optimal.

3) Radiant Phase goes best with Destruction Staff. EDB stuff is nice, but it has some serious limitation when it comes to forging. In that case, Destruction Staff outshines everything else. Oh, and there's such thing as "proper point of intersection for Magic Attack and EDB".

Tetron > For your waki, use Slaughter or Nimble, the two others aren't really useful (plus if you go Heavy, you want Ethereal as much as possible, at least on the Katana it's mandatory). For Potencies yes, Overpower is really good, but almost all of them are good, so I should say go with the flow, the more so if it's for testing.
I suppose a mix of Overpower/Fatality would be the best, anyway.

For the Katana, it greatly depend of your actual accuracy. If you need more to reach 200+, go with Balance, if not, Slaughter might be enough.

Light or heavy armor ?

This post has been edited by Falbala456: Oct 25 2015, 20:37

may i see that math, if i can ask? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Last time I was using light armor, I just re do it with heavy armor now

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all with heartseeker
crit chance    crit dmg    output    
0.688               1.92    1.63296    
0.688               1.84    1.57792    1.034881363

100 forge katana is 3878.34 butcher 4 is 310.27 more
14777/14467=1.0214

so fat is better here because power armor give so many adb

This post has been edited by Void Domain: Oct 25 2015, 20:46

1) Yes.

2) Yes. Full Phase is no longer optimal.

3) Radiant Phase goes best with Destruction Staff. EDB stuff is nice, but it has some serious limitation when it comes to forging. In that case, Destruction Staff outshines everything else. Oh, and there's such thing as "proper point of intersection for Magic Attack and EDB".

Didn't quite know how to phrase that third one, but thanks for the answers.

Tetron > For your waki, use Slaughter or Nimble, the two others aren't really useful (plus if you go Heavy, you want Ethereal as much as possible, at least on the Katana it's mandatory). For Potencies yes, Overpower is really good, but almost all of them are good, so I should say go with the flow, the more so if it's for testing.
I suppose a mix of Overpower/Fatality would be the best, anyway.

For the Katana, it greatly depend of your actual accuracy. If you need more to reach 200+, go with Balance, if not, Slaughter might be enough.

Light or heavy armor ?

I see. I hadn't actually thought of using Heavy Armor with Niten. But you've made me curious. Guess I'll give that a try too. But for now, TIME TO HUNT DOWN SOME SHADOWDANCER!!! +_+

In the meanwhile, My ping has suddenly gone haywire!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

There are too many of them. I've chosen 3 from them for testing:

1. Peerless Arctic Wakizashi of Swiftness
2. Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of Balance
3. Legendary Ethereal Wakizashi of Nimble

Don't have a good Slaughter Waki yet.

Can't put the links since I'm inside IW.

quite good of a collection, i'd say. dan just dropped a fiery waki of slaughter, btw. link in legendary thread

But for now, TIME TO HUNT DOWN SOME SHADOWDANCER!!! +_+

i have a bunch of them in idle, may you be interested? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

I did some math long time ago they should have about the same expected dmg, but butcher is more stable.

i did some math too some days ago:

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yup. but consider that while it's true that both ADB and crit damage bonus are additive, ADB on rapier is pretty much lost among the total damage of your character, while crit is immediately visible.

for example, let's say you have a rapier with 1000 ADB, and Butcher 5 will bring you to 1100. your total ADB pool may be 6500 because of abilities, armors, a bit of forging etc etc, so that +100 ADB would mean +1.5% on the total.

let's rather say that Fatality 5 will bring your crit bonus from 59% to 69%. with that same damage (6500 ADB) and 36% crit chance your average ADB will be brought from 7900 to 8100, with a 3% increase - and further increased by Heartseeker.

personally, i'd rather go for fatality (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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from this, it seems that fatality has 2x the effect of butcher. any opinion?