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post Sep 17 2015, 21:30
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 17 2015, 12:27) *

Warding ADB is much higher. ADB is the most important stat period, and it's more than twice as much as the others'. At that point, not even suffix matters. Its defenses might be very slightly less, but that's more than worth the much increased ADB.

Superior ADB, super PABs... well i guess there's not much of a contest.

Send the other two to WTS or salvage?
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post Sep 17 2015, 21:40
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Is it okay to sacrifice 2.6% PMI (At this point, total effective PMI is 60%) to get +2000 Magic Score?

Sure, why not?
Main idea of mages is veryfast kills. If we compare defense than 1h has like in 10 times better or even more. Mage can live only because kills fast enough and the main reason is exactly damage (magic score). My defense more or less good compare for some top mages like holydemon. But i have scaled to him like 17-18k magic score and he has 30k+ (20% damage perk included). Thats mostly why i can clear only 100-200 rounds and he clears full fest.
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post Sep 17 2015, 21:42
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 17 2015, 19:30) *
Superior ADB, super PABs... well i guess there's not much of a contest.

Send the other two to WTS or salvage?
The problem is the level. Magnificent Power is great (I can't remember the last time I ever got any Power above Exq), so it's rare, but the only ones who would be interested in buying something at that level would have little funds (assuming they even know how to look at the trading section in the first place).
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post Sep 17 2015, 21:46
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 17 2015, 12:42) *

The problem is the level. Magnificent Power is great (I can't remember the last time I ever got any Power above Exq), so it's rare, but the only ones who would be interested in buying something at that level would have little funds (assuming they even know how to look at the trading section in the first place).

Level is a huge problem. Actual adult gear is way above my level so I can't equip it, and I no longer even see unassigned gear that's better than what I already have. Dammit.

I declare LVL 250 and thereabouts to be the donut hole of HV. At this point I think I've mined every possible solution short of "get to level 400"...
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post Sep 17 2015, 22:11
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for prefixed weapons, does upgrading the spell damage for their strike increase their strike damage? How about infusions, does using one increase respective strike damage?

QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 17 2015, 15:46) *

Level is a huge problem. Actual adult gear is way above my level so I can't equip it, and I no longer even see unassigned gear that's better than what I already have. Dammit.

I declare LVL 250 and thereabouts to be the donut hole of HV. At this point I think I've mined every possible solution short of "get to level 400"...

I'll buy that second one if you're just going to chuck it. Nobody sells anything good for our level except for unassigned crap, so my gear is quite poor...

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post Sep 17 2015, 22:19
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 18 2015, 01:10) *

Sure, why not?
Main idea of mages is veryfast kills. If we compare defense than 1h has like in 10 times better or even more. Mage can live only because kills fast enough and the main reason is exactly damage (magic score). My defense more or less good compare for some top mages like holydemon. But i have scaled to him like 17-18k magic score and he has 30k+ (20% damage perk included). Thats mostly why i can clear only 100-200 rounds and he clears full fest.

Hmm. Experiment time then. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Sep 17 2015, 22:25
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QUOTE(mondere @ Sep 17 2015, 13:11) *

for prefixed weapons, does upgrading the spell damage for their strike increase their strike damage? How about infusions, does using one increase respective strike damage?
I'll buy that second one if you're just going to chuck it. Nobody sells anything good for our level except for unassigned crap, so my gear is quite poor...

This one, right?
Is 75K a good price?

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post Sep 17 2015, 23:49
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 17 2015, 21:46) *

Level is a huge problem. Actual adult gear is way above my level so I can't equip it, and I no longer even see unassigned gear that's better than what I already have. Dammit.

I declare LVL 250 and thereabouts to be the donut hole of HV. At this point I think I've mined every possible solution short of "get to level 400"...

mind you, non-slaughter suffixes were heavily buffed in these last patches. and even slaughter were improved, albeit at a much inferior rate. thus, it's highly possible that you already reached that stage in which only slaughter pieces are a decent improvement to your current build. or maybe post-0.82 non-slaughters, but at your level better to start to focus on ADB...

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for prefixed weapons, does upgrading the spell damage for their strike increase their strike damage? How about infusions, does using one increase respective strike damage?

no and no.
the only case in which upgrading EDB could've been useful was when holy EDB boosted cure spell, but now it's not the case anymore.
and the big deal about infusions is to have another elemental strike which will boost your ADB according to mobs' own mitigations, but if you use an infusion corresponding to an element you already reached (either by base or via IW10) it will simply be lost

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post Sep 17 2015, 23:52
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QUOTE(mondere @ Sep 17 2015, 22:11) *

for prefixed weapons, does upgrading the spell damage for their strike increase their strike damage? How about infusions, does using one increase respective strike damage?
I'll buy that second one if you're just going to chuck it. Nobody sells anything good for our level except for unassigned crap, so my gear is quite poor...

Nope, but you can use the infusions for enchanting, that way you can add another elemental strike temporary to your weapon and do more damage.
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post Sep 18 2015, 05:48
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I'm considering what the best kind of set would be for heavy armor and one-handed sword-and-board fighting style. Should I just try to stack as much damage as I can with power armor of slaughter and strength, or should I rely on my weapon to maximize damage and focus on defence so I can more hits and increse my difficulty setting? Additionally, should I try for armor of protection if I want to get the best defense?
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post Sep 18 2015, 05:54
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I'm considering what the best kind of set would be for heavy armor and one-handed sword-and-board fighting style. Should I just try to stack as much damage as I can with power armor of slaughter and strength, or should I rely on my weapon to maximize damage and focus on defence so I can more hits and increse my difficulty setting? Additionally, should I try for armor of protection if I want to get the best defense?
At your level, you'll have problems with more than one or two less defensive Power equips. Fill the rest of your slots with Plate, most preferably of Protection. This will become less true as you level up and gain innate toughness - you'll eventually be able to switch out for all Power Slaughter around level 280-300 and be able to handle PFUDOR with relative ease.

The best defense is a high Block.
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post Sep 18 2015, 07:05
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Should I just be saving all of my money at this stage?
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post Sep 18 2015, 07:48
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Should I just be saving all of my money at this stage?

It's a good idea, so you can save for good unassigned gear from shops, althougth at your level you can rely on free shops and giveaways and get some gear until you level up more.

Right now you shouldn't spend credits on gear, because you will level so fast that it will become trash in no time.
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post Sep 18 2015, 07:50
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Should I just be saving all of my money at this stage?
Below 200, no equipment will last anywhere near long enough to make any purchase worthwhile unless you can soulfuse, which you shouldn't do until you understand the game. The first few cheap useful trainings are good to get as soon as you can, but only to the point where expenditures are a small fraction of your income.

Past 150, you can start thinking about buying equips (especially materials for forging non-rare-tier gear to 5) and very occasionally soulfusing if the equip is worthwhile enough.
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post Sep 18 2015, 08:36
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Hello everyone,

Its been a while now but I am about to get to lvl 300 to attempt DwD in PF. Are there any special preparations that I would need before I attempt this? Will I even survive this with my current stats listed below? The last 40 rounds are really concerning for me because I have never played 8 mobs+ with 3 of them being SG no less.

My stats are currently:
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Physical Attack
5055 attack base damage
156.8% hit chance
32.3% crit chance / +56 % damage
2.5% attack speed bonus

70.8% physical mitigation
61.1% magical mitigation
2.9% evade chance
44% block chance
39% parry chance
10.2% resist chance

Thanks.
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post Sep 18 2015, 08:45
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Its been a while now but I am about to get to lvl 300 to attempt DwD in PF. Are there any special preparations that I would need before I attempt this? Will I even survive this with my current stats listed below? The last 40 rounds are really concerning for me because I have never played 8 mobs+ with 3 of them being SG no less.

My stats are currently:
14110 HP

Physical Attack
5055 attack base damage
156.8% hit chance
32.3% crit chance / +56 % damage
2.5% attack speed bonus

70.8% physical mitigation
61.1% magical mitigation
2.9% evade chance
44% block chance
39% parry chance
10.2% resist chance

Thanks.
On PF, there will be quite a lot of spirit drained, maybe not even worth the potions used. (might even have to use elixirs occasionally) If you have / get OFC, that will help out a whole lot - use at the beginning of rounds when there are 7+ monsters to save a lot of time and take less damage. Use Shadow Veil. If your equipment isn't too far away from your level, it'll be doable, but it'll also take ages. PFUDOR probably wouldn't be worth it. IA 1-3 and VV will help a lot.
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post Sep 18 2015, 09:02
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 18 2015, 06:45) *

On PF, there will be quite a lot of spirit drained, maybe not even worth the potions used. (might even have to use elixirs occasionally) If you have / get OFC, that will help out a whole lot - use at the beginning of rounds when there are 7+ monsters to save a lot of time and take less damage. Use Shadow Veil. If your equipment isn't too far away from your level, it'll be doable, but it'll also take ages. PFUDOR probably wouldn't be worth it. IA 1-3 and VV will help a lot.


Thankfully I do have OFC which will hopefully get me through. I am already expecting a loss on this attempt, just trying to see if I can do it on PF and try my first luck on the arena bonus if I do succeed (which will likely be disappointment).

Thanks for your advice Superlatanium, looks like I'm going to purchase an additional item slot to get spirit elixir on my list (scratch that I will probably just flee since it will be very unprofitable to continue if I use elixirs) and also invest in some ability points in shadow veil. About my equipment being too far from my level I may consider soulfusing my entire set since I have excess soul fragments. Saving up for now so I won't take any Hath perks just yet.

Thank you again for your advice.

EDIT: Scratched out nearly everything, because I have no idea what i'm going to do. Probably delay the attempt till a bit later.

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post Sep 18 2015, 09:26
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 18 2015, 13:45) *

On PF, there will be quite a lot of spirit drained, maybe not even worth the potions used. (might even have to use elixirs occasionally) If you have / get OFC, that will help out a whole lot - use at the beginning of rounds when there are 7+ monsters to save a lot of time and take less damage. Use Shadow Veil. If your equipment isn't too far away from your level, it'll be doable, but it'll also take ages. PFUDOR probably wouldn't be worth it. IA 1-3 and VV will help a lot.


question. is SV needed in 1H style ?

because I never use it.
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post Sep 18 2015, 09:30
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question. is SV needed in 1H style ?

because I never use it.
It's an option for lower-level players as an alternative to frequently taking heavy spirit damage. I was able to PF DwD at 300 with bazaar-found Power Slaughter, but only if I used Shadow Veil, otherwise I would take more spirit damage than I could replenish with mana used for Spirit Theft. Still, it took ages.

But, if a player feels they need to use Shadow Veil to survive, it would be better to go down a difficulty or two.
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 18 2015, 14:30) *

It's an option for lower-level players as an alternative to frequently taking heavy spirit damage. I was able to PF DwD at 300 with bazaar-found Power Slaughter, but only if I used Shadow Veil, otherwise I would take more spirit damage than I could replenish with mana used for Spirit Theft. Still, it took ages.

But, if a player feels they need to use Shadow Veil to survive, it would be better to go down a difficulty or two.


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