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Aug 11 2015, 20:37
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Aug 11 2015, 18:29)  Anybody knows if the elemental damage of a weapon gets boosted when that elemental proficiency gets forged in the weapon? I think you mean elemental EDB. It wouldn't be by any remotely significant amount, so I wouldn't bother. QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Aug 11 2015, 18:29)  I'm confused about what type of damage does, there are cases of monsters doing physical elemental attacks as well as magical elementals, even magical physical i think...
Until now, i have assumed that weapons with prefix do physical elemental damage, and forge the elemental stat on weapon does nothing for melee and is only useful for maging. It's confusing. But you can consider it like this: Damage goes through {Physical or Magical} mitigation, and it also goes through {{Piercing, Crushing, Slashing} or {Holy, Fire, etc} or {void = 0}} mitigation. There could be any combination of those above, but in practice the vast majority of physical attacks do the expected piercing/crushing/slashing type damage, and the vast majority of magical attacks do elemental-type damage, though there are exceptions. Tetron said that weapon strikes by the player are magic-type attacks, but it sounds weird and I haven't checked it yet.
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Aug 11 2015, 21:05
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tetron
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 12 2015, 00:04)  i did, at low level. It has the best accuracy among 2h weapons. I missed a lot at that time. Longsword with self-found voidseeker is better of course.
Longsword of Vampire. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 12 2015, 00:07)  Tetron said that weapon strikes by the player are magic-type attacks, but it sounds weird and I haven't checked it yet.
Even more confusing factor: The elemental strikes are not dependent on EDB. Yet they are affected by monsters MMI. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) I started investigating the strikes at the start of this year. But my brain stopped working after I discovered this. Stopped my investigation to keep my sanity after that! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: Aug 11 2015, 21:05
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Aug 11 2015, 21:23
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 14:32)  cotton 3 is a robe - i doubt anyone would sacrifice the best EDB slot (best rolls + best multiplier) to have more proficiency, which can also be earned by forging any other piece. even replacing pants is so-so of an idea, but still less bad than robe. not sure about ranges, but maybe cotton-4 and cotton-5 may be somehow lucky... QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 14:32)  My experiment with Eco build in this patch says that it's very good for unforged mages. But the more you forge, the more useless it becomes. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) just wondering, every staff potency on the paper seems good enough. isn't it on the reality? and as for economizer, now that you can carry infinite amount of potions, isn't it a bit overestimated? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(garrabar @ Aug 11 2015, 18:02)  I'm not likely to ever get a better shield than this, am I? I want to know if I can start burning rare materials on it without concern. go ahead. even with 'only' lv15 block, you may carry that shield for 100 levels or so. QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 21:05)  Longsword of Vampire. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) with current ranges, an ethereal longsword of vampire may come really handy for low-levels. i guess it may be similar to unlock regen at lv50...
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Aug 11 2015, 21:30
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 19:05)  Even more confusing factor: The elemental strikes are not dependent on EDB. Yet they are affected by monsters MMI. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Yeah, now that I checked, EDB does not affect the strikes. I started investigating the strikes at the start of this year. But my brain stopped working after I discovered this. Stopped my investigation to keep my sanity after that! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Look at this... CODE 9 3 Void Strike crits Urakawa Minori for 1611 void damage. 9 2 Holy Strike crits Urakawa Minori for [b]783[/b] holy damage. 9 1 You crit Urakawa Minori for 5024 void damage. 7 3 Void Strike hits Urakawa Minori for 1491 void damage. 7 2 Holy Strike hits Urakawa Minori for [b]843[/b] holy damage. 7 1 You hit Urakawa Minori for 3340 void damage. PA 3x now 6 3 Void Strike crits Urakawa Minori for 858 void damage. 6 2 Holy Strike crits Urakawa Minori for 494 holy damage. 6 1 You crit Urakawa Minori for 2488 void damage. 5 3 Void Strike crits Urakawa Minori for 739 void damage. 5 2 Holy Strike crits Urakawa Minori for 398 holy damage. 5 1 You crit Urakawa Minori for 2435 void damage. 4 3 Void Strike hits Urakawa Minori for 711 void damage. 4 2 Holy Strike hits Urakawa Minori for 412 holy damage. 4 1 You hit Urakawa Minori for 1478 void damage. 3 3 Void Strike hits Urakawa Minori for 565 void damage. 3 2 Holy Strike hits Urakawa Minori for [b]366[/b] holy damage. 3 1 You hit Urakawa Minori for 1352 void damage. 2 3 Void Strike hits Urakawa Minori for 389 void damage. 2 2 Holy Strike hits Urakawa Minori for [b]217[/b] holy damage. 2 1 You hit Urakawa Minori for 810 void damage. It seems to imply that the strike damage is affected by PMI. To be affected by MMI as well sounds odd. You sure? This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Aug 11 2015, 21:32
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Aug 11 2015, 21:33
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 12 2015, 00:53)  just wondering, every staff potency on the paper seems good enough. isn't it on the reality?
In theory, many things are possible. In theory, you can Crit every turn or even Evade every single attack. But the question is: Can you do that in reality? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 12 2015, 00:53)  and as for economizer, now that you can carry infinite amount of potions, isn't it a bit overestimated? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Indeed.
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Aug 11 2015, 21:39
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tetron
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 12 2015, 01:00)  Look at this...
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affected by PMI. To be affected by MMI as well sounds odd. You sure?
The base damage output of elemental strike depends on how much damage you deal with your main attack. PMI doesn't factor here for elemental strike. This was confirmed by someone from the admin circle. Forgot who. Now at that situation, cast a Holy Spell and see if the 10% MMi reduction from that does anything to the elemental strike or not. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Aug 11 2015, 21:42
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Darukunesu
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Thanks tetron and super for the comments, so forging edb on weapons is a total waste. Elemental strike must be a fixed percent of damage added that simply goes against that especific elemental mitigation, then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Aug 11 2015, 21:50
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tetron
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Aug 12 2015, 01:12)  so forging edb on weapons is a total waste.
As of now, yes. When Holy EDB had Cure Bonus, it used to be pretty good. But now, (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Aug 12 2015, 01:12)  Elemental strike must be a fixed percent of damage added that simply goes against that especific elemental mitigation, then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Yup. Elemental Mitigation and MMI. The only weird part in that is the absence of EDB in the damage output. Which is why all this confusion came up. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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Aug 11 2015, 22:06
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 11 2015, 19:23)  just wondering, every staff potency on the paper seems good enough. isn't it on the reality? and as for economizer, now that you can carry infinite amount of potions, isn't it a bit overestimated? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I think "good enough" is not well defined enough. There do exist exact optimal potencies for clearing speed or income speed - the question is how much a player can budget to spend towards getting closer to perfection. Yeah, economizer is significantly more optional now.
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Aug 12 2015, 06:03
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iPhone12
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Please, could you help me?
My situation : 158 lvl one handed sword-man with shield.
1. Is there any way to buy or rent some equipments for level 100s?
I looked around, but selling items are mostly above level 300...
2. Is it possible to buy & equip 'level unassigned items' in the shop?
Is it still possible after the patch 0.82?
3. Could you please tell me any recommended FAQ or tips to read?
All I know is EHWiki, but I don't think it is enough for me.
Thank you for reading, and please help me, sir.
This post has been edited by wndahfl2: Aug 12 2015, 06:04
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Aug 12 2015, 06:11
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(wndahfl2 @ Aug 12 2015, 04:03)  1. Is there any way to buy or rent some equipments for level 100s?
I looked around, but selling items are mostly above level 300... 2. Is it possible to buy & equip 'level unassigned items' in the shop? Course. Many shops still have them, you just have to look. QUOTE(wndahfl2 @ Aug 12 2015, 04:03)  3. Could you please tell me any recommended FAQ or tips to read?
All I know is EHWiki, but I don't think it is enough for me. The wiki really has most of the information good for a newbie to know. Or look at past pages on this thread dealing with questions from lower-level players, most of the advice is very similar each time. If you have specific questions, ask here. Broad "everything" is too much. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you're 1h, try rapier/heavy armor - Plate of Protection mostly, and gradually mix in Power equips as you level up and need less defense provided by Plate.
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Aug 12 2015, 06:15
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iPhone12
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 12 2015, 06:11)  Course. Many shops still have them, you just have to look.The wiki really has most of the information good for a newbie to know. Or look at past pages on this thread dealing with questions from lower-level players, most of the advice is very similar each time. If you have specific questions, ask here. Broad "everything" is too much. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you're 1h, try rapier/heavy armor - Plate of Protection mostly, and gradually mix in Power equips as you level up and need less defense provided by Plate. Thank you for replying~! It helps me a lot. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)   This post has been edited by wndahfl2: Aug 12 2015, 06:15
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Aug 12 2015, 06:21
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piyin
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QUOTE(wndahfl2 @ Aug 12 2015, 06:03)  Please, could you help me? My situation : 158 lvl one handed sword-man with shield. 1. Is there any way to buy or rent some equipments for level 100s?
I looked around, but selling items are mostly above level 300... 2. Is it possible to buy & equip 'level unassigned items' in the shop?
Is it still possible after the patch 0.82? 3. Could you please tell me any recommended FAQ or tips to read?
All I know is EHWiki, but I don't think it is enough for me. Thank you for reading, and please help me, sir.
Come to my shop and get stufff unnasigned! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Aug 12 2015, 11:44
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 12 2015, 03:23)  cotton 3 is a robe - i doubt anyone would sacrifice the best EDB slot (best rolls + best multiplier) to have more proficiency, which can also be earned by forging any other piece. even replacing pants is so-so of an idea, but still less bad than robe.
I was offered 2+m for my charged demon-fiend robe, so...
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Aug 12 2015, 14:31
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Falbala456
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A quick question since I was away from the game for some times. With the recent change in potions, does the "Better HP/MP/SP" abilities have any interest or were they rendered useless ?
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Aug 12 2015, 14:56
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dosetsu
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They do exactly what they did before the change--increase potency. Higher potency means less usage. Less usage is a good thing, right? Right?!
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Aug 12 2015, 15:11
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Crush85
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Aug 12 2015, 11:44)  I was offered 2+m for my charged demon-fiend robe, so...
Huh. I was under the impression that dark wasn't worth it anymore, since spirit theft isn't really useful now.
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Aug 12 2015, 16:01
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Crush85 @ Aug 12 2015, 13:11)  Huh. I was under the impression that dark wasn't worth it anymore, since spirit theft isn't really useful now. Spirit theft isn't, just like ether theft isn't (except on SG), but the element itself is still quite good if a player is leveled/forged enough not to chug too many potions.
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Aug 12 2015, 17:12
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iPhone12
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QUOTE(piyin @ Aug 12 2015, 06:21)  Come to my shop and get stufff unnasigned! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I used your shop, and it feels like whole new world! Newly bought rapier has double damage of my old one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thank you for providing it in decent price.  
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