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post Aug 11 2015, 10:52
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QUOTE(piyin @ Aug 11 2015, 03:58) *



[GS-Cotton-3] is the only one that highly likley brings money

If I start maging, whats the best way to grind for proficiency??
staff of focus + 5 frugal of elementalist, because min. damage and highest mana conservation??

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post Aug 11 2015, 12:24
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Well, its gonna be tough. Best way is 5phase + imperil, because you don't have prof. I mean you need more like 3-4+ prof gears for that and that means very low edb
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post Aug 11 2015, 12:29
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Well what do you know, I start complaining about the lack of gifts and my custom monster brought me one today!

So, while playing the Mage build, is there any way to avoid being a glass cannon? I'm getting ferocious hits in Random Encounter before I even slap on a few good protective buffs.

No, really. I get stuck with 8 monsters in Hard difficulty so I start off with Health Elixir, Spark of Life, then Veil of Shadows, (by now I've taken one mosquito bite), and maybe Protection, and then suddenly WHAM!!! someone crits me for 4,000 HP and I'm in Cloak of the Fallen! mode. I try heal, weaken on one monster, then a regen (someone hits me hard right here), cure, spark and D'OHHH... CLOAK OF THE FALLEN!!!

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Str 144 Dex 126 Agi 133 End 144 Int 148 Wis 167
HP 3734 MP 571 SP 295

Maybe I should wait for a set of Power Armor and go into melee build?
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post Aug 11 2015, 14:29
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 11 2015, 20:29) *

Well what do you know, I start complaining about the lack of gifts and my custom monster brought me one today!

So, while playing the Mage build, is there any way to avoid being a glass cannon? I'm getting ferocious hits in Random Encounter before I even slap on a few good protective buffs.

No, really. I get stuck with 8 monsters in Hard difficulty so I start off with Health Elixir, Spark of Life, then Veil of Shadows, (by now I've taken one mosquito bite), and maybe Protection, and then suddenly WHAM!!! someone crits me for 4,000 HP and I'm in Cloak of the Fallen! mode. I try heal, weaken on one monster, then a regen (someone hits me hard right here), cure, spark and D'OHHH... CLOAK OF THE FALLEN!!!

Stats so far:
LVL 142
Str 144 Dex 126 Agi 133 End 144 Int 148 Wis 167
HP 3734 MP 571 SP 295

Maybe I should wait for a set of Power Armor and go into melee build?


You should go 1h+power now and go full turtle. You can use a few plates, at the cost of damage.
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post Aug 11 2015, 14:32
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 11 2015, 06:28) *

Annihilator is the crappy potency no one wants, right?

Nope. On the contrary, It's very good.

QUOTE(piyin @ Aug 11 2015, 07:28) *

[GS-Cotton-3]Legendary Charged Cotton Robe of the Elementalist
[GS-Cotton-7]Legendary Cobalt Cotton Pants of the Heaven-sent
[GS-Cotton-8]Legendary Frugal Cotton Pants of the Curse-weaver
[GS-Cotton-9]Legendary Jade Cotton Pants of the Elementalist

QUOTE(holy_demon @ Aug 11 2015, 09:10) *

Eco is sort of an optional thing. You will have to consider whether the potential number of mana potions you're gonna save is worth the extra 1m-5m (+ effort + frustration) you'll put into IWing.

My experiment with Eco build in this patch says that it's very good for unforged mages. But the more you forge, the more useless it becomes. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Void Domain @ Aug 11 2015, 09:24) *

The new savage balance is as good as no prefix slaughter in a full set, dont know about mixing them though.

But they are also super rare. Even more than Leg power slaughter. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(Mecha Xanatos @ Aug 11 2015, 14:22) *

If I start maging, whats the best way to grind for proficiency??
staff of focus + 5 frugal of elementalist, because min. damage and highest mana conservation??

Profiency comes naturally as you play. No strategy needed. The only pain in the ass is the Staff Proficiency.
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post Aug 11 2015, 15:01
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QUOTE(Mecha Xanatos @ Aug 11 2015, 08:52) *
If I start maging, whats the best way to grind for proficiency??
staff of focus + 5 frugal of elementalist, because min. damage and highest mana conservation??
For proficiency, you want as much mana usage as possible (without dipping into potions, if that's even possible). It used to be easy with cheap Heroic pots, because one could use power armor and high interference weapon / force shield, but not anymore, because it'd require spending mana potions.

It helps to never use Haste, because you'll get relatively more MP regen per turn from draughts, due to MP spending taking longer action time. Play in Crude IWBTH IW of course.
QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 11 2015, 10:29) *
Maybe I should wait for a set of Power Armor and go into melee build?
Mage is very difficult to play with any efficiency before high level. I'd put it aside and play 1h until level 300 or so.

You'd want plate armor, not Power armor, at your level, since you need extra defense more than extra offense. Monsters will start getting a whole lot tougher than they are now in the next 50 levels.
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post Aug 11 2015, 15:48
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 11 2015, 06:01) *

For proficiency, you want as much mana usage as possible (without dipping into potions, if that's even possible). It used to be easy with cheap Heroic pots, because one could use power armor and high interference weapon / force shield, but not anymore, because it'd require spending mana potions.

It helps to never use Haste, because you'll get relatively more MP regen per turn from draughts, due to MP spending taking longer action time. Play in Crude IWBTH IW of course.Mage is very difficult to play with any efficiency before high level. I'd put it aside and play 1h until level 300 or so.

You'd want plate armor, not Power armor, at your level, since you need extra defense more than extra offense. Monsters will start getting a whole lot tougher than they are now in the next 50 levels.

I have been hunting for a 1H replacement for my trusty ethereal 2H weapon. Would be nice if the Bazaar goods were evenly distributed (level-wise) rather than being a supermarket for level 400+ people only, they've got some awesome-looking gear in there.
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post Aug 11 2015, 15:55
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 11 2015, 13:48) *
I have been hunting for a 1H replacement for my trusty ethereal 2H weapon. Would be nice if the Bazaar goods were evenly distributed (level-wise) rather than being a supermarket for level 400+ people only, they've got some awesome-looking gear in there.
Superior+ rapier of non-useless-suffix is a start, you'll eventually want a prefixed Exq+ rapier of Slaughter. There still exist some unassigned ones for 30k+, it's definitely worth it if your alternative is crappy 2h.

The stuff in bazaar is what those players don't want (and can't even sell to others), which is why they were sold in the first place.
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post Aug 11 2015, 16:02
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Aug 11 2015, 20:48) *

I have been hunting for a 1H replacement for my trusty ethereal 2H weapon. Would be nice if the Bazaar goods were evenly distributed (level-wise) rather than being a supermarket for level 400+ people only, they've got some awesome-looking gear in there.

you can still hunting for unassigned equipment in WTS or open WTB thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 11 2015, 17:42
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 11 2015, 06:55) *

Superior+ rapier of non-useless-suffix is a start, you'll eventually want a prefixed Exq+ rapier of Slaughter. There still exist some unassigned ones for 30k+, it's definitely worth it if your alternative is crappy 2h.

The stuff in bazaar is what those players don't want (and can't even sell to others), which is why they were sold in the first place.



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you can still hunting for unassigned equipment in WTS or open WTB thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Gotcha. I'll grind for some cash and work my way to buying stuff in WTB.
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post Aug 11 2015, 17:46
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 02:32) *

Nope. On the contrary, It's very good.


Yeah I don't mind annhilator anymore.

QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 02:32) *

My experiment with Eco build in this patch says that it's very good for unforged mages. But the more you forge, the more useless it becomes. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Yeah eco used to be uber vital. Now I've dropped from Eco 5 + 3 Frugal down to Eco 3 + 1 Frugal. It still has a lot of utility but it would be better to go 5 Archmage, 4 Eco these days.

Spellweaver is also a little less useful, it was quite good if not excellent for grindfest. However grindfest is no longer as limited by mana pots so you don't need spellweaver as much anymore for elemental at least. It might be decent for Divine or Dark.

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post Aug 11 2015, 18:02
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I'm not likely to ever get a better shield than this, am I? I want to know if I can start burning rare materials on it without concern.
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post Aug 11 2015, 18:03
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I'm not likely to ever get a better shield than this, am I? I want to know if I can start burning rare materials on it without concern.

you can always forge it than salvage it if you find something better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Aug 11 2015, 18:15
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you can always forge it than salvage it if you find something better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)



if i salvage an item in which i put in bindings etc, they come back after salvaging?


got a question: how come higher levels arent buying items which are way under their level? since you can soulfuse anything want to your level it shouldnt be a problem if the low level item has great stats and is certainly more cheap than on their level.
since i got this interesting Katana (sadly no slaughter but still looking nice) and there are some who still use 2H even in high level, wouldnt it be good to increase its level? I compared it with legendary high level one using scaling calculator and it seemed right as good.
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post Aug 11 2015, 18:39
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if i salvage an item in which i put in bindings etc, they come back after salvaging?
got a question: how come higher levels arent buying items which are way under their level? since you can soulfuse anything want to your level it shouldnt be a problem if the low level item has great stats and is certainly more cheap than on their level.
since i got this interesting Katana (sadly no slaughter but still looking nice) and there are some who still use 2H even in high level, wouldnt it be good to increase its level? I compared it with legendary high level one using scaling calculator and it seemed right as good.

90% only but the first 5 forge is not count to that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Let say you fully forged WD for your weapon than salvaged it , so you get 100-5 x90% ~ 85 bindings (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


Katana is for niten style (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

2H better with longsword if you want higher damage for low difficulty , estoc for more damage in high difficulty & mace for safety (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Aug 11 2015, 18:40
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Aug 11 2015, 16:15) *

if i salvage an item in which i put in bindings etc, they come back after salvaging?
got a question: how come higher levels arent buying items which are way under their level? since you can soulfuse anything want to your level it shouldnt be a problem if the low level item has great stats and is certainly more cheap than on their level.
since i got this interesting Katana (sadly no slaughter but still looking nice) and there are some who still use 2H even in high level, wouldnt it be good to increase its level? I compared it with legendary high level one using scaling calculator and it seemed right as good.


I believe this question was answer fairly recently about salvage but I'll post quote here.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 20 2015, 17:00) *

when you salvage a froged equip, you'll earn back:
  • no catalysts at all. their purpose is to be a credit sink, so no reason to be retrieved. poof!
  • a certain amount of scraps, probably based on the original selling price. barely worth mentioning.
  • 90% (fixed amount, rounded down) of ALL the items you used to upgrade, which means:
    • 90% of all materials, being them LG/MG/HG + 1 depending on the quality prefix of your gear
    • 90% of all bindings. though the first 5 levels don't count, so it will be better to say 0.9 * (potency_level - 5)
    • in case it's a T3 gear (force shield, phase/shade/power armor) 90% of all the special components used (matrixes, phazons, shades, actuators), first 5 levels included, so 0.9 * (potency_level)


Also about that Katana I don't know much about weapons but the weapon damage is less than EMAX.

BTW if you didn't already know, new equipment ranges came out on the wiki recently so you can check out any stat ranges you are interested in.

EDIT: (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) We all posted within minutes of each other.

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post Aug 11 2015, 18:41
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QUOTE(garrabar @ Aug 11 2015, 16:02) *
I'm not likely to ever get a better shield than this, am I? I want to know if I can start burning rare materials on it without concern.
No, you're not, go ahead and spend a million or two on block chance. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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if i salvage an item in which i put in bindings etc, they come back after salvaging?
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/The_Forge#Salvage

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got a question: how come higher levels arent buying items which are way under their level? since you can soulfuse anything want to your level it shouldnt be a problem if the low level item has great stats and is certainly more cheap than on their level.
They would, if there was a reasonable amount of stuff of a lowish level that was worth buying. But since the vast majority of grinding is done by players level 375+, that's where most of the top-tier equipment that is traded is generated.
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since i got this interesting Katana (sadly no slaughter but still looking nice) and there are some who still use 2H even in high level, wouldnt it be good to increase its level? I compared it with legendary high level one using scaling calculator and it seemed right as good.
Katana is only good for niten, and niten is quite bad ATM. Yours also is Hallowed, which means a lot of burden, which isn't good. And of course Balance isn't Slaughter, and Magnificent isn't Legendary.

Yours isn't bad, for self-use for example, it's just not worth soulfusing (or being bought by a high-level player).

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post Aug 11 2015, 18:57
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Aug 11 2015, 21:45) *

got a question: how come higher levels arent buying items which are way under their level? since you can soulfuse anything want to your level it shouldnt be a problem if the low level item has great stats and is certainly more cheap than on their level.

Simply because most of the top class equipments are generated by high level players (Lv.350+). Lower level players still generates some endgame equipments, but that amount is very slim. If a higher level finds interesting stuff from very low level, they will definitely buy them. It seems as if they don't buy from lower level simply because lower level doesn't generate much endgame gears.

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Aug 11 2015, 22:09) *

2H better with longsword if you want higher damage for low difficulty , estoc for more damage in high difficulty & mace for safety (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Which incurs a weird question in my head: Are there any retard who uses Katana as 2h weapon (Not as Niten)? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Btw, I'm getting Lv.400 in half an hour. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 11 2015, 20:29
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Anybody knows if the elemental damage of a weapon gets boosted when that elemental proficiency its forged in the weapon?

I'm confused about what type of damage does, there are cases of monsters doing physical elemental attacks as well as magical elementals, even magical physical i think...

Until now, i have assumed that weapons with prefix do physical elemental damage, and forge the elemental stat on a weapon is useless for melee and only useful for maging.

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post Aug 11 2015, 20:34
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QUOTE(tetron @ Aug 11 2015, 09:57) *
Are there any retard who uses Katana as 2h weapon (Not as Niten)? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


i did, at low level. It has the best accuracy among 2h weapons. I missed a lot at that time.
Longsword with self-found voidseeker is better of course.
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