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post Aug 10 2015, 23:33
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 11 2015, 02:17) *

obviously. even though at high levels even rapier of nimble may be viable. but i guess neither links nor name would be made public, isn't it?

Why not? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Just Think about it. There aren't many high level players who actively use DW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Drksrpnt, maybe StonyCat? Only two I can think of.

Bull's eye! It's Drksrpnt. He's still using those two equipments of his. Dunno if if he's still using those old Peerless Shade pieces or not though. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 10 2015, 23:47
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 10 2015, 21:03) *
meanwhile, another question: wiki says that with Heartseeker
and with the 'Better Heartseeker' ability:
but how can i calculate its effect? let's say that my base crit chance is 34%, ability is as such and prof is 350, what will my crit chance become with heartseeker on?
With equipment and abilities, CC and CD seem to be linear additive, or at least nearly linear additive, right? Then I'd expect Heartseeker to work the same way.

CC +10% is the effect regardless of ability level, so your base CC 34% + 10% = 44%. Proficiency only affects duration, not potency.
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post Aug 10 2015, 23:48
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 10 2015, 23:47) *

With equipment and abilities, CC and CD seem to be linear additive, or at least nearly linear additive, right? Then I'd expect Heartseeker to work the same way.

CC +10% is the effect regardless of ability level, so your base CC 34% + 10% = 44%. Proficiency only affects duration, not potency.

alright, just as i supposed then. many thanks.
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post Aug 10 2015, 23:50
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 10 2015, 17:06) *

hint: check bleed damage during spirit stance, that's how bleed ties with pa.
I guess tenboro knows this well, hence he didn't grant bleed buff proposal, could be wrong though.
Btw, next mitigation balancing will screw both bleed & pa, which also fun to see.


Even with 5 stacks of [0.82+] bleeding it's still not the same effect as PA, its require a lot of hits to land all 5 stack to monster while PA has max effect on 3 stack. Seems like in next patch PA get nerf(because of lowered mitigations) but bleeding not affected by any mitigations(at least for now).
So we definitely will see the fall of rapiers and maybe fall of 1H(heard some speculations about "rebalancing" of block). *I should hurry up and complete my shade set until next patch*

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 10 2015, 21:03) *

meanwhile, another question: wiki says that with Heartseeker
and with the 'Better Heartseeker' ability:
but how can i calculate its effect? let's say that my base crit chance is 34%, ability is as such and prof is 350, what will my crit chance become with heartseeker on?


Crit chance I think is additive, crit damage is additive, and supportive prof affects only on duration(?).
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post Aug 10 2015, 23:51
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Aug 10 2015, 23:03) *

meanwhile, another question: wiki says that with Heartseeker
and with the 'Better Heartseeker' ability:
but how can i calculate its effect? let's say that my base crit chance is 34%, ability is as such and prof is 350, what will my crit chance become with heartseeker on?

I always have interpreted Better Heartseeker as a critical damage bonus per proficiency point. I don't know if that is how it works though.

In your case that would be 350 * 14 = 4900 damage bonus on crit, although you crit chance stays on 34% + 10% bonus of heartseeker, if applied in additive way 44% total, if not well, who knows (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Aug 11 2015, 00:37
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Aug 10 2015, 21:51) *
I always have interpreted Better Heartseeker as a critical damage bonus per proficiency point. I don't know if that is how it works though.

In your case that would be 350 * 14 = 4900 damage bonus on crit, although you crit chance stays on 34% + 10% bonus of heartseeker, if applied in additive way 44% total
Definitely not, because it's a buff boosting ability, not a fighting style ability like DW Crit etc.

That also adds way more damage to crits than Heartseeker does, when you look at the numbers for damage done.
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post Aug 11 2015, 00:58
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 10 2015, 04:34) *

Course, Power Slaughter is always better than Power Balance in every case. I guess one could use Balance if Slaughter is too expensive or doesn't drop for them, but it's never the type of choice.


There were cases pre-balance getting buffed where adding in a balance piece could give more damage.


QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Aug 10 2015, 07:06) *

hint: check bleed damage during spirit stance, that's how bleed ties with pa.
I guess tenboro knows this well, hence he didn't grant bleed buff proposal, could be wrong though.
Btw, next mitigation balancing will screw both bleed & pa, which also fun to see.


With ninten you can either use spirit stance or skyfall, you can't generate enough OC to use both for clearing.
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post Aug 11 2015, 01:09
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There were cases pre-balance getting buffed where adding in a balance piece could give more damage.
I thought so too first, but I remember m11 showing a spreadsheet proving otherwise.

Though maybe that's changed now that nonslaughter is relatively stronger.
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post Aug 11 2015, 02:19
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QUOTE(Mud attheBaseofLotus @ Aug 10 2015, 21:50) *

Even with 5 stacks of [0.82+] bleeding it's still not the same effect as PA, its require a lot of hits to land all 5 stack to monster while PA has max effect on 3 stack. Seems like in next patch PA get nerf(because of lowered mitigations) but bleeding not affected by any mitigations(at least for now).
So we definitely will see the fall of rapiers and maybe fall of 1H(heard some speculations about "rebalancing" of block). *I should hurry up and complete my shade set until next patch*
Crit chance I think is additive, crit damage is additive, and supportive prof affects only on duration(?).

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post Aug 11 2015, 02:42
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Is it recommended to reforge spellweaver potency on staffs?
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post Aug 11 2015, 02:48
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Is it recommended to reforge spellweaver potency on staffs?


Spellweaver is the least desirable potency for staffs.
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post Aug 11 2015, 02:58
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Spellweaver is the least desirable potency for staffs.
I thought it wasn't bad for Grindfest.

Still, Eco and Penetrator are surely more preferable in most cases, possibly Archmage as well if staff is forged Destruction.

Annihilator is the crappy potency no one wants, right?
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post Aug 11 2015, 03:09
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 10 2015, 17:58) *

I thought it wasn't bad for Grindfest.

Still, Eco and Penetrator are surely more preferable in most cases, possibly Archmage as well if staff is forged Destruction.

Annihilator is the crappy potency no one wants, right?


IIRC Spellweaver is only good in the late rounds of Grindfest.

And who wouldn't want more Spell Crit Damage?
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post Aug 11 2015, 05:40
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 11 2015, 10:58) *

I thought it wasn't bad for Grindfest.

Still, Eco and Penetrator are surely more preferable in most cases, possibly Archmage as well if staff is forged Destruction.

Annihilator is the crappy potency no one wants, right?


nah spellweaver does nothing. Do 2 runs, one with scroll of swiftness, one without. You will see that the difference is almost negligible. And Spelweaver gives a lot less speed bonus than scroll.

Annihilor gives better score than Archmage in most case except when you have a very good heavily forged (usually at about 70lv) destruction staff and full phase.

Penetrator is for people who cares more about grindfest than arena since it's useless in SG. Eco is sort of an optional thing. You will have to consider whether the potential number of mana potions you're gonna save is worth the extra 1m-5m (+ effort + frustration) you'll put into IWing.

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post Aug 11 2015, 05:54
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 11 2015, 05:47) *

With equipment and abilities, CC and CD seem to be linear additive, or at least nearly linear additive, right? Then I'd expect Heartseeker to work the same way.

CC +10% is the effect regardless of ability level, so your base CC 34% + 10% = 44%. Proficiency only affects duration, not potency.

no crit chance is not additive at least from gear and pab. so 10% at 34 is like 6.3% I think.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Aug 11 2015, 07:09) *

I thought so too first, but I remember m11 showing a spreadsheet proving otherwise.

Though maybe that's changed now that nonslaughter is relatively stronger.

The new savage balance is as good as no prefix slaughter in a full set, dont know about mixing them though.
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post Aug 11 2015, 09:46
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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e71fd9d332
is this staff useful for anything?
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post Aug 11 2015, 09:55
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Yup. It's high grade wood.
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post Aug 11 2015, 09:59
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Nevermind, thanks for the tip. I'll hold on to this for now.

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post Aug 11 2015, 10:48
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