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post Jul 13 2015, 21:25
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QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

Yeah, but i own him because he made a great work with his scripts... so i feel like letting him have that one for that price.

Indeed. SpellSpam and Item Manager are super useful. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

Also i got another one just a couple of hrs ago... so bet now i can put a right price on it... dont? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Link please. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

Edit: But to be honest: i was selling that one and the warding one on my shop for 150k... so 2m vs 150k... i won anyway.

150k??? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

QUOTE(piyin @ Jul 13 2015, 23:31) *

as it looks ppl oesnt check my shop that often... they never know what stuff i put there... oh well... c'est la vie!

Many top level buyers buy equipments from Auctions only, just because there are way too many shops around. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jul 13 2015, 23:35) *

Looks like this season gonna be fun.
Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist
Prison School

And some bd releases.

Screw those. The Anime of "Himouto! Umaru-chan" has started last week, and I'm eagerly waiting for the Anime Adaption of "One Punch Man". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
"Plastic Memories" is one of the Anime that I won't forget for quite some time. it was too much of a Feel Zone. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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post Jul 13 2015, 21:27
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QUOTE(Darukunesu @ Jul 13 2015, 18:40) *
I thought that Haste Spell was pretty good, it does not behave similarly to Swift Strike?

Or Haste is not that good?
Casting Haste, the cost is losing out on something like 1/200th more damage (if you had attacked that turn instead), while the benefit is having other buffs last some 1.4x as long before you need to recast (so average damage per turn probably actually goes up, not down, due to much less frequent re-casting turns). Haste also significantly reduces average damage taken each turn, giving you more warning to cast Fullcure (to avoid Spark). Casting Haste (or having it on IA) is definitely better than the alternative of not casting Haste.

But with Swift Strike, the action speed boost is a whole lot less, nowhere close to Haste's - and unlike Haste, using SS forces you to give up other potencies, other potencies which directly increase your clearing speed by a notable amount.

If SS was nearly free, like casting Haste is, then sure, it might be nice to have - but given other potencies you could have instead, the opportunity cost is too much.
QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Jul 13 2015, 18:53) *
Action speed bonus is both defensive & offensive stat.
Offensive? I don't think so, at least not for Swift Strike. Even Haste's offensive boost is minimal at best, and SS requires giving up on other much more turn-efficient potencies.
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:49
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 14 2015, 00:57) *

Casting Haste, the cost is losing out on something like 1/200th more damage (if you had attacked that turn instead), while the benefit is having other buffs last some 1.4x as long before you need to recast (so average damage per turn probably actually goes up, not down, due to much less frequent re-casting turns). Haste also significantly reduces average damage taken each turn, giving you more warning to cast Fullcure (to avoid Spark). Casting Haste (or having it on IA) is definitely better than the alternative of not casting Haste.

But with Swift Strike, the action speed boost is a whole lot less, nowhere close to Haste's - and unlike Haste, using SS forces you to give up other potencies, other potencies which directly increase your clearing speed by a notable amount.

If SS was nearly free, like casting Haste is, then sure, it might be nice to have - but given other potencies you could have instead, the opportunity cost is too much.

SS is best for DW and Niten, and to some extent, 2H. Tried and True. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Though it's definitely not any good for 1h. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 21:54
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 19:49) *
SS is best for DW and Niten, and to some extent, 2H. Tried and True. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Can you say why you think that? SS seems worse for turn efficiency.
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:25
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jul 13 2015, 20:49) *

That's because most of the stuff in your shop is like this;
[GS-Two-handed-6]Superior Ethereal Longsword of Slaughter 20k

Just a tip, only stock good magnificent and legendary items.


Most isnt 100%... right?
Treasures are valuable BECAUSE there are just a few of them... so in my shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) .
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 13 2015, 12:15) *

so, swift strike lv5 may be actually good? i ask because i may think about auctioning that rapier if final potencies are swift 5 (provided it's actually useful) and fatality 4.
also, which debuffs are non-ticking?

i meant non-drain, strike dependant. E.g. imperil.
In my case, losing 5% means i lose 1 attack to be applied on pa. The similar will happen to imperil.
Explanation from superlatanium is better.
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:32
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 14 2015, 01:24) *

Can you say why you think that? SS seems worse for turn efficiency.

Didn't we already had a heated discussion about that topic in this very same thread just a few months ago? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't see any point in doing it all over again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:39
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 22:32) *

Didn't we already had a heated discussion about that topic in this very same thread just a few months ago? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't see any point in doing it all over again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

i don't remember it. can you at least summarize? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Jul 13 2015, 22:53
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Can anyone give me an idea an idea of their monsters Wins/Kills per day?

My best Three Monsters:
Sprite 773 -
Mechanoid 600-
Undead 625

I average maybe .3 wins a day with my best guy:


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Tips?

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post Jul 13 2015, 23:08
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 13 2015, 20:32) *
Didn't we already had a heated discussion about that topic in this very same thread just a few months ago?
Not with me, at least. It would be nice if you at least have some numbers...
QUOTE(cwx @ Jul 13 2015, 20:53) *
I average maybe .3 wins a day with my best guy
Is a tiny bit of Overpower not good?

My best monster is PL 180-something and hasn't gotten a win in at least 2 months, but I still get automatic gifts so I'm happy.
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post Jul 13 2015, 23:24
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 13 2015, 17:08) *

Is a tiny bit of Overpower not good?



Just followed the wiki, I'd like to know though
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post Jul 13 2015, 23:47
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meanwhile, just ended Eternal Darkness on PF.

i earned a superior longsword of blah blah, 16k (which aren't even enough to cover a COD for 20 happy pills) and wasted 3 hours.

guess it's time to sleep =.=
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post Jul 13 2015, 23:57
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I dont remember when last time cleared sg arena. Its so slow even on hell.
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post Jul 14 2015, 00:08
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QUOTE(cwx @ Jul 13 2015, 21:24) *
Just followed the wiki, I'd like to know though
For the sprite at least, damage with MP/SP attacks is the big strength by far, for which reducing the chances of parry/resist sounds very appealing. If there's any class for which Overpower would be useful, it would be Sprite.

Given the increasing Chaos costs, I'd think it'd be worth it given how much is invested in damage already, but I don't have numbers to back it up.
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post Jul 14 2015, 01:28
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 13 2015, 18:08) *

For the sprite at least, damage with MP/SP attacks is the big strength by far, for which reducing the chances of parry/resist sounds very appealing. If there's any class for which Overpower would be useful, it would be Sprite.

Given the increasing Chaos costs, I'd think it'd be worth it given how much is invested in damage already, but I don't have numbers to back it up.


Noted;

Is there anyway to calculate the monsters actual Counter-parry/resist?
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QUOTE(cwx @ Jul 13 2015, 23:28) *
Is there anyway to calculate the monsters actual Counter-parry/resist?
Isn't it the chaos level (up to 20%) plus 10%~ for if spawned on PFUDOR? Or is there something more complicated?
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post Jul 14 2015, 05:21
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 14 2015, 04:47) *

meanwhile, just ended Eternal Darkness on PF.

i earned a superior longsword of blah blah, 16k (which aren't even enough to cover a COD for 20 happy pills) and wasted 3 hours.

guess it's time to sleep =.=

So , even with my ping problem lately ( 370ms ~ 400ms ) , it seem I can clear PFU SG alot faster than you , scremaz (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Just need 30 mins with normal ping , 40 mins with my heavy ping now to clear PFU ED (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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post Jul 14 2015, 05:36
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 14 2015, 03:54) *

Err...I'm sure holy_demon was ROFL when he paid you 2m.


Nah that's the max I'd pay for leg holy cotton, even before the patch. I got a PMax charged cap for 2m in auction as well. So I think it's a fair price
That's the upside of people getting off the holy bandwagon xD (The downside is that it's hard to resell)

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post Jul 14 2015, 08:12
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jul 14 2015, 05:21) *

So , even with my ping problem lately ( 370ms ~ 400ms ) , it seem I can clear PFU SG alot faster than you , scremaz (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Just need 30 mins with normal ping , 40 mins with my heavy ping now to clear PFU ED (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

tbh i surfed/whatsapped a lot meanwhile because it was quite boring (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Jul 14 2015, 08:17
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 14 2015, 01:12) *

tbh i surfed/whatsapped a lot meanwhile because it was quite boring (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


I honestly don't know how people sit through grindfest or anything over 30 rounds… and even that amount is pushing it. Too much effort IMO.

…I wonder if that's why I haven't gotten anywhere in this game, kek.
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