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Jul 7 2015, 17:46
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 7 2015, 22:18)  Only in theory. There is a hidden mechanism, due to which we do not get the max -50% reduction bonus. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Please elaborate.
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Jul 7 2015, 18:23
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tetron
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Jul 7 2015, 21:16)  Please elaborate.
Last year we had a thorough investigation discussion on that matter, and it turned out that the reduction Bonus was around 20% at max even with 2x Prof factor. And I don't believe that Tenboro is kind enough to have changed it to 50%. If anyone can prove that its now 50%, I'll shout "Excelsior"!
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Jul 7 2015, 19:15
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 7 2015, 16:23)  Last year we had a thorough investigation discussion on that matter, and it turned out that the reduction Bonus was around 20% at max even with 2x Prof factor. And I don't believe that Tenboro is kind enough to have changed it to 50%. If anyone can prove that its now 50%, I'll shout "Excelsior"! Figuring out the number within a couple of percentage points should be very easy, if someone is willing to spend a couple of blood tokens on fighting Konata twice. Use no phase, use max proficiency gear once, and no proficiency gear the other time. Check total magic damage each time to account for the effects of slightly different intel/wis. Figure out average damage done for crits and non-crits each time and we have an answer. Do you have a link to the prior discussion?
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Jul 7 2015, 21:02
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Cleavs
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it's the second time in a row that i get killed in ~70th round of a leg IW, even with more of half of my health available and all buffs active. did someone saw this as well or was it only a lack of attention? [edit]: on a side note, FSM does drop mags. with 2 PABs, but still mags: 354 8 Arena Clear Bonus! [Magnificent Shielding Plate Sabatons of Protection]This post has been edited by Scremaz: Jul 7 2015, 21:14
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Jul 7 2015, 21:20
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nec1986
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Few times also with my full damage set. After that i did iw only with spark.
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Jul 7 2015, 21:44
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jul 7 2015, 18:58)  tetron, you don't have to reply to everybody. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) It is true. Especially if replies are "Dunno." "Ask Tenboro." "This I'd like to know myself too." "Donate me a full Radiant" etc. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) There are other threads that exist for spam. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 7 2015, 19:02)  it's the second time in a row that i get killed in ~70th round of a leg IW, even with more of half of my health available and all buffs active. did someone saw this as well or was it only a lack of attention? Happened to me frequently when trying to PFUDOR 80+ round IWs, until I learned to stop being stingy and use my Spirit Potions. Otherwise, two SP attacks absorbed + Spark might require more spirit than in pool, and I die. In PF-fest and PF-IW, any time I see <55% spirit in pool, I worry.
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Jul 7 2015, 21:51
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 7 2015, 21:44)  Happened to me frequently when trying to PFUDOR 80+ round IWs, until I learned to stop being stingy and use my Spirit Potions. Otherwise, two SP attacks absorbed + Spark might require more spirit than in pool, and I die. In PF-fest and PF-IW, any time I see <55% spirit in pool, I worry.
well, it's not like i don't use them, tbh (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Jul 7 2015, 22:04
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 7 2015, 19:51)  well, it's not like i don't use them, tbh (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Assuming one uses spirit potions around 55% SP, the only time you'd die would be if you got exceedingly unlucky (3 or 4 heavily draining SP attacks at once) or if you were trying to hold off on potion to hopefully let draught take care of it. Or was there some other cause? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I usually use spirit potion at 50% SP but when I do that, I can't remember having died, even in PF-fest.
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Jul 7 2015, 22:19
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 7 2015, 22:04)  Assuming one uses spirit potions around 55% SP, the only time you'd die would be if you got exceedingly unlucky (3 or 4 heavily draining SP attacks at once) or if you were trying to hold off on potion to hopefully let draught take care of it. Or was there some other cause? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I usually use spirit potion at 50% SP but when I do that, I can't remember having died, even in PF-fest. well, judging by the log it was due to a half dozen regular attacks under the spirit shield threshold (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Jul 7 2015, 22:26
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Jul 7 2015, 07:10)  Q1 (Item Shop Bot) When there is only person bidding on an item where the highest bid price is X credits, how much will one earn when selling the item to the Item Shop?
Q2 (Item Shop Bot) When there are two or more people bidding on an item where the highest bid prices are X credits, how much will one earn when selling the item to the Item Shop? QUOTE(tetron @ Jul 7 2015, 10:18)  50% of the displayed price. Correction: It's half the second highest bid +1c. No bidders = half the default bot price. The only way to know what you're going to get is to sell something and check the credit log.
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Jul 7 2015, 22:33
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jul 7 2015, 20:19)  well, judging by the log it was due to a half dozen regular attacks under the spirit shield threshold (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Oh... so perhaps it is Spark that was forgotten? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) After getting "unlucky" too many times I've been using Spark absolutely everywhere since level 200-something. I remember deciding to do so after dying after the first turn in a RE. I wonder if the Spark mechanism takes into consideration the possibility that your HP is taken down to exactly 1 by an attack. It is not 0, so Spark might not activate since your HP isn't depleted. But then, if the next attack hits you, Spark might not proc because it's ordinarily only supposed to activate when you start with more than 1 HP. Might have something to do with integer/float as well. It would be quite unlikely for an HP pool of more than 10k to land on exactly 1, but I wonder if it has happened to anyone... or if the variable Spark checks before it activates is HP at the beginning of the turn. I don't know.
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Jul 7 2015, 22:44
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qw3rty67
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Jul 7 2015, 22:51
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(qw3rty67 @ Jul 7 2015, 20:44)  Yeah, which is why I'm thinking about the alternative - if an attack takes the target down to exactly 1 HP (so the target doesn't get one-shot to 0 HP = death, so Spark might not activate, depending on how its mechanism works) - and then the next attack in the same turn kills, since Spark has not activated and full damage immunity is not in effect, and the target does not have 2 or more HP. But I do not know if this is something that can happen or not. The chances of an attack taking you down to exactly 1 are very low, so it's hard to test for as well.
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Jul 7 2015, 22:56
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qw3rty67
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"It kicks in at under 2 hp" is the proper reading. Also it has been tested before, a long time ago.
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Jul 7 2015, 23:09
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tetron
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 7 2015, 22:45)  Figuring out the number within a couple of percentage points should be very easy, if someone is willing to spend a couple of blood tokens on fighting Konata twice. Use no phase, use max proficiency gear once, and no proficiency gear the other time. Check total magic damage each time to account for the effects of slightly different intel/wis. Figure out average damage done for crits and non-crits each time and we have an answer.
You do it. Frankly speaking, I've lost interest in the 2x Prof factor. 4+1 Armor combo gives me a good satisfactory result. Getting 2x Prof Factor while maintaining good Magic Score is a pain in the backside. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 7 2015, 22:45)  Do you have a link to the prior discussion?
Nope. And I will not be digging it up. Year old posts are just like needles in haystack. QUOTE(jenga201 @ Jul 8 2015, 00:28)  tetron, you don't have to reply to everybody. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) How the heck did you come to that conclusion? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jul 8 2015, 01:14)  It is true. Especially if replies are "Dunno." "Ask Tenboro." "This I'd like to know myself too." "Donate me a full Radiant" etc. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) There are other threads that exist for spam. LMAO. You guys are being waaaaaaaaaaaaay too serious. Calm your tits, will ya? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Anyway, you're telling me that that post was fully Spam, and I only post Spams? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Jul 7 2015, 23:14
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qw3rty67
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tetron-senpai didn't notice me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) This post has been edited by qw3rty67: Jul 7 2015, 23:14
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