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post May 28 2015, 17:14
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QUOTE(kdrt @ May 28 2015, 16:43) *

Hi there. is this rapier worth to do IW on? (Is that even english?). I was going to hollowforge it but got lazy in the middle.


If you can do it yourself easily, I don't see why not. It's not the worst rapier and hollowforged is really good.

QUOTE(nec1986 @ May 28 2015, 16:53) *

Nah. It has no elemental strike.


No elem strike is not bad actually, it's actually better for SG arena than elem strikes because you can holy/dark infuse.
It is a bit costlier, but I don't think it is a big con, to be honest.
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post May 28 2015, 18:35
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(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/VDjlPe1.png)

my first time to deal damage this big.

usually on DW style it only half of this.

thanks for everybody who suggest me to move from DW to 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 28 2015, 18:38
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(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/VDjlPe1.png)

my first time to deal damage this big.

usually on DW style it only half of this.

thanks for everybody who suggest me to move from DW to 1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

congrats , buddy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


I'm curious to see how high cat normal atk critical damage to SGs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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post May 28 2015, 18:46
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Probably a bit higher than 60k main hit.
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post May 28 2015, 19:15
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Probably a bit higher than 60k main hit.


I can deal nearly 50k main hit to SG with my 9k adb , nec (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

so maybe cat can deal 70k+ since he also got 30% damage perk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

better ask him directly (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post May 28 2015, 19:22
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 28 2015, 14:01) *

This makes me wonder. Of the people complaining about the new pots being unsustainable, what percentage are wasting them like this with spellspam?

They are still unsustainable. But through continues experiments in these days, I've slowly began to understand how to optimize their usage. As of now, Tap/Theft are the only mechanisms that save the mana. If you don't use them, you will be losing resoratives unless you are forged. But still, Tap/Theft slows down the gameplay, so I tend to avoid using them.

As of now, for me in Elemental Mage build, only Mana Potion is still unsustainable.

Initially, I had to buy ~30k worth of restoratives every day for a full Arena Clear (including SG ones) in IWBTH. Now after much experiments, I've managed to reduce that amount to ~7k per day. Currently, I'm trying to know how to reduce that ~7k to make the restorative drops fully sustainable.

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most of the time I just use T1s.

Seriously Brah???? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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News to me! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) very interesting mechanism indeed. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

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post May 28 2015, 19:46
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 28 2015, 16:37) *

Btw, what Elemental Strike should i target with a Ethereal Rapier, i thought about ether Dark or Holy, but i did quite good with my wind rapier, so maybe wind.

personally i'd say dark over holy - SGs are weak to either of those, but celestials are very weak against dark and resistant to holy, so why not?

as second choice, wind is strong against dragonkins and giants, while cold is very strong against dragonkins/reptilians and strong against arthropods. given the fact that with 1H you most probably will end up using fire spike, i'd say cold...
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post May 28 2015, 19:51
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ May 28 2015, 20:15) *

he also got 30% damage perk (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Oh. Yea, i forgot about it.
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post May 28 2015, 19:56
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QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 28 2015, 21:37) *

Btw, what Elemental Strike should i target with a Ethereal Rapier, i thought about ether Dark or Holy, but i did quite good with my wind rapier, so maybe wind.



QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 29 2015, 00:46) *

personally i'd say dark over holy - SGs are weak to either of those, but celestials are very weak against dark and resistant to holy, so why not?

as second choice, wind is strong against dragonkins and giants, while cold is very strong against dragonkins/reptilians and strong against arthropods. given the fact that with 1H you most probably will end up using fire spike, i'd say cold...


or leave it lv9 then use infusions instead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
you actually cant choose the strike. it's just a bet.
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post May 28 2015, 20:00
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QUOTE(arialinnoc @ May 28 2015, 23:26) *

you actually cant choose the strike. it's just a bet.

You can. Just bribe Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post May 28 2015, 20:11
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So, I got enough soul fragments and fused the best equip I had atm, which is this shield(http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=58884787&key=2355b62ee1). I know it must be crappy, as I bought it from WTS costing less than 100k I think.

Anyways, I already went up 1 level, and the changes were:

Block Chance: +0.01%
Endurance: +0.01

This made me create the following theories about equipment leveling:

1. Equipment stats have random chances of increasing with you leveling up, ranging from 0.01 to 0.03, pretty much like proficiency does.

2. Equipment stats increase based on forging level of each stat, giving +0.01 for stat for every 5 levels forged.

3. Equipment stats are unique to each equipment, not being related to anything else.

Assuming it's one of these, soulfusing is pretty worthless and a waste of money, as you won't be able to sell the equip, and when salvaging, you will lose 10% of materials and 100% of catalysts. It might be worth only to full forged endgame gear if it's the second one, but that also seems a waste to me.

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post May 28 2015, 20:11
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QUOTE(tetron @ May 28 2015, 20:00) *

You can. Just bribe Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

come on, mate. given that you'd have the chance to bribe tenboro, would you ask only for a specific fucking strike on a weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

btw, i seem to remember once there was the chance to have two void strikes on a weapon (one of which via shards), am i wrong?
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post May 28 2015, 20:47
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 28 2015, 11:11) *

given that you'd have the chance to bribe tenboro, would you ask only for a specific fucking strike on a weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post May 28 2015, 20:56
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QUOTE(Kinights @ May 29 2015, 01:11) *

So, I got enough soul fragments and fused the best equip I had atm, which is this shield(http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=58884787&key=2355b62ee1). I know it must be crappy, as I bought it from WTS costing less than 100k I think.

Anyways, I already went up 1 level, and the changes were:

Block Chance: +0.01%
Endurance: +0.01

This made me create the following theories about equipment leveling:

1. Equipment stats have random chances of increasing with you leveling up, ranging from 0.01 to 0.03, pretty much like proficiency does.

2. Equipment stats increase based on forging level of each stat, giving +0.01 for stat for every 5 levels forged.

3. Equipment stats are unique to each equipment, not being related to anything else.

Assuming it's one of these, soulfusing is pretty worthless and a waste of money, as you won't be able to sell the equip, and when salvaging, you will lose 10% of materials and 100% of catalysts. It might be worth only to full forged endgame gear if it's the second one, but that also seems a waste to me.

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it is called Level Scaling :/
and if you're asking that the stats increase by a whooping number by just a level then I don't know what else I could say...

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post May 28 2015, 21:00
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1h doesnt have very good scale. Only adb where almost half is rapier and second half is power armor.
UPD. But mage has to change it like every 20-30 levels.

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post May 28 2015, 21:00
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QUOTE(Kinights @ May 28 2015, 14:11) *

So, I got enough soul fragments and fused the best equip I had atm, which is this shield(http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=58884787&key=2355b62ee1). I know it must be crappy, as I bought it from WTS costing less than 100k I think.

Anyways, I already went up 1 level, and the changes were:

Block Chance: +0.01%
Endurance: +0.01

This made me create the following theories about equipment leveling:

1. Equipment stats have random chances of increasing with you leveling up, ranging from 0.01 to 0.03, pretty much like proficiency does.

2. Equipment stats increase based on forging level of each stat, giving +0.01 for stat for every 5 levels forged.

3. Equipment stats are unique to each equipment, not being related to anything else.

Assuming it's one of these, soulfusing is pretty worthless and a waste of money, as you won't be able to sell the equip, and when salvaging, you will lose 10% of materials and 100% of catalysts. It might be worth only to full forged endgame gear if it's the second one, but that also seems a waste to me.

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the closest is 3. it makes your equipment scale to your level, rather than stay the same forever and ever.
that shield wasn't good enough to soulfuse imo
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post May 28 2015, 21:19
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ May 28 2015, 15:56) *

it is called Level Scaling :/
and if you're asking that the stats increase by a whooping number by just a level then I don't know what else I could say...

Whoops. I had only found the wiki page of the forge. Thanks. .-.
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post May 28 2015, 22:47
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QUOTE(Kinights @ May 28 2015, 18:11) *
So, I got enough soul fragments and fused the best equip I had atm, which is this shield(http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=58884787&key=2355b62ee1). I know it must be crappy, as I bought it from WTS costing less than 100k I think.

Anyways, I already went up 1 level, and the changes were:

Block Chance: +0.01%
Endurance: +0.01

This made me create the following theories about equipment leveling:

1. Equipment stats have random chances of increasing with you leveling up, ranging from 0.01 to 0.03, pretty much like proficiency does.

2. Equipment stats increase based on forging level of each stat, giving +0.01 for stat for every 5 levels forged.

3. Equipment stats are unique to each equipment, not being related to anything else.

Assuming it's one of these, soulfusing is pretty worthless and a waste of money, as you won't be able to sell the equip, and when salvaging, you will lose 10% of materials and 100% of catalysts. It might be worth only to full forged endgame gear if it's the second one, but that also seems a waste to me.

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You would have been better off looking for a new ~Emax block Force Shield - they're cheaper and have higher block, and nearly no burden - but I guess it's too late now.

I'm almost completely certain that it would be way too much of a burden for the system to save individual random stat increases for each equipment. Rather, what is extremely likely is that the base stat is taken and put through the level-scaling equation each time, so that when you level up, each stat is marginally increased.
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The exact equation is on the wiki. It's a lot higher than that - starting at about 2% for the first few upgrades, and gradually falling to .2% and less.
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Assuming it's one of these, soulfusing is pretty worthless and a waste of money, as you won't be able to sell the equip, and when salvaging, you will lose 10% of materials and 100% of catalysts. It might be worth only to full forged endgame gear if it's the second one, but that also seems a waste to me.
Forging to 5 is pretty cheap and may be one's only way to get better stats on gear, since equipment supply market is much more difficult to use now. It's not a bad idea. Higher than that though, you need bindings, and is only justified for something that is quite nicely rolled (or already soulfused). Forging higher than 15 definitely shouldn't be done unless it's on something you plan to soulfuse.

Soulfusing is not a waste, though it does require the equipment in question be pretty valuable before it might be worth the shards. Keep in mind that block chance scales up very slowly, so you won't see much benefit to soulfusing a shield, at least not for quite a while.
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Before the patch, it would have sold for a bit, lowest price probably around 70k. But now you have to find someone of similar level to buy it, so it may be difficult...

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post May 28 2015, 23:14
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Oh god everything got reset. Is any of my equipment still relevant, and what is the ideal stat progression now?
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post May 28 2015, 23:50
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Oh god everything got reset. Is any of my equipment still relevant, and what is the ideal stat progression now?


1H is still OP
stats can stay the same, you just have more of them now most likely

you'll be forced to upgrade/forge your stuff after ~50 levels though, apparently.
unless you soulfuse everything, which probably isn't worth it at your level

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