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post Jun 19 2011, 21:30
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QUOTE(DemonEyesBob @ Jun 19 2011, 22:14) *

Every mob gives different exp, plus there are other factors like the monsters' levels (they can be anywhere from your level to 5 less) and a small random factor. I doubt you fought the exact same monsters at the exact same levels.


First time it was Whale + Tentacle monster, second time it was Tentacle monster+Cockatrice.
So +Exp abilities are cummulative without exception, right? Because for a moment I thought it is either +exp training or +exp ability...
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post Jun 19 2011, 21:42
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Jun 19 2011, 15:30) *

First time it was Whale + Tentacle monster, second time it was Tentacle monster+Cockatrice.
So +Exp abilities are cummulative without exception, right? Because for a moment I thought it is either +exp training or +exp ability...
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Cumulative.

I guarantee you that the whale gives more EXP than the cockatrice, which partially explains why that happened. I think the cockatrice is literally the weakest original monster, and thus gives the least amount of EXP.

And again, you're level 56, so that means you can find monsters between 51-56, which will affect the amount of exp you get from that monster.
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post Jun 19 2011, 23:18
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Can spells level your proficiency via Innate Arcana? Can you, for instance, have Haste on IA1 and Shield on IA2 and occasionally get support prof points? If so, at what sort of rate are we looking at?

I noticed that upping support prof = longer durations = lower upkeep for IA, so I'm looking at ways to bounce that proficiency up more. Any tips in general on that are welcome too. I already use whatever leftover mana I have in Arena runs to spam my support and deprecetation spells before they're refreshed with the win, but any other tips are appreciated.
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post Jun 20 2011, 01:33
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QUOTE(Arcoon2658 @ Jun 19 2011, 17:18) *

Can spells level your proficiency via Innate Arcana? Can you, for instance, have Haste on IA1 and Shield on IA2 and occasionally get support prof points? If so, at what sort of rate are we looking at?

I noticed that upping support prof = longer durations = lower upkeep for IA, so I'm looking at ways to bounce that proficiency up more. Any tips in general on that are welcome too. I already use whatever leftover mana I have in Arena runs to spam my support and deprecetation spells before they're refreshed with the win, but any other tips are appreciated.

Yes, you can get proficiency, but slower than you get from casting manually.
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post Jun 20 2011, 10:50
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I'd like to know whats the profit of Niten style fighing? The only reason I can think of is higher accuracy due to offhand weapon stats bonus, am I right? So, is it worthy for me to begin leveling up DW-proficiency?

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post Jun 20 2011, 11:57
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Jun 20 2011, 08:50) *

I'd like to know whats the profit of Niten style fighing? The only reason I can think of is higher accuracy due to offhand weapon stats bonus, am I right? So, is it worthy for me to begin leveling up DW-proficiency?


Dual wield IS actually useful, if you want to try a very advised combat styles to defeat Legendaries and the like: the combination good Rapier + good Bleeding weapon (usually an Axe) to proc both Penetrated armor and Bleed on the enemy. Personally, I still go with my favorite 1H + shield style and I didn't fare bad, though my battle with Mikuru Asahina was quite taxing in terms of Scroll of Swiftness used (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

About Niten, I leave the answer to others, as I never tried it. But surely increasing your DW proficiency isn't bad anyway; I'm doing it myself now and then (when I'm in the mood for a Cakegrind I usually employ two weapons for that very reason).

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post Jun 20 2011, 12:39
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Well since my last "advice" quite a bit has changed.. (More than a bit it seems). Attacking multiple persons becames worse (agitated), armour got a large revamp. Custom monsters were incorporated..

So this makes me wondering:
When I last asked I was wielding partially light + partially cloth.. I currently wield mostly cloth (1 light as I haven't gotten a half decent cloth variant). Currently I'm also 2hing, I was told that this was preferably till lv 100ish, when you should go magic.

Now I'm wondering: what is actually a strong option now? - I'd prefer to keep basing myself on melee/physical damage if that is half decent now. But what style should I aim for? - I thought 2handed were good as they could "clear" fastest, multiple monsters at once is quite good. Though maybe I should go single hand/dual wield to prevent agitating 3 monsters at once?

Also with the armour/proficiency revamp clothing seems like a "waste" for physical damage dealers, would light armour be better? - Or maybe heavy?

I'm still lv 34, and especially wanting to quickly bridge the gab to 50ish, after which I'll look further.
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post Jun 20 2011, 13:02
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QUOTE(paul23 @ Jun 20 2011, 13:39) *

Well since my last "advice" quite a bit has changed.. (More than a bit it seems). Attacking multiple persons becames worse (agitated), armour got a large revamp. Custom monsters were incorporated..

So this makes me wondering:
When I last asked I was wielding partially light + partially cloth.. I currently wield mostly cloth (1 light as I haven't gotten a half decent cloth variant). Currently I'm also 2hing, I was told that this was preferably till lv 100ish, when you should go magic.

Now I'm wondering: what is actually a strong option now? - I'd prefer to keep basing myself on melee/physical damage if that is half decent now. But what style should I aim for? - I thought 2handed were good as they could "clear" fastest, multiple monsters at once is quite good. Though maybe I should go single hand/dual wield to prevent agitating 3 monsters at once?

Also with the armour/proficiency revamp clothing seems like a "waste" for physical damage dealers, would light armour be better? - Or maybe heavy?

I'm still lv 34, and especially wanting to quickly bridge the gab to 50ish, after which I'll look further.


I guess 2h might be the best due to that domino-strike concept. In my opinion, a weapon with bleed affect is a must. At the moment I can wipe out targets other than my main target with just cleave-hit and bleed effect applied.
I am currently wielding this:
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While it DOES miss a LOT, the damage done is awesome.
Still, I am just as new here as you are, so I might be wrong :>
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post Jun 20 2011, 14:39
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What style you want to play really boiled down to your preference and what gear you got...

As of now... Compared to 2H, Niten is good at low LV and "Meh" at high LV. However, finding a good Niten pair is a very, very difficult task compared to 2H of the same quality (Scythe, Mace, Estoc). And combined with the fact that you can't gain prof using it... it just doesn't worth it for most people. It's also not flexible since you have to stuck with Slash damage (usually..) and Bleed, unlike DW or 2H which it try to half-assly imitate...

I use Niten and I like it more than 2H. Then again, I got a very good Niten pair, my LV is not exactly high, and it go well with my character build and playstyle.

Tenb seem to have some plan for Niten for future patch (he said something about "special" prof). It doesn't mean that it will be an "improvement", though, so don't expect much about it.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)




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post Jun 20 2011, 15:05
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@buktore, lol kk. Guess untill I find at least a decent niten, I'll stick to 2 handeds (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif).. Are normal dual wield just not "worth" it?

Though I'm more interested into the armours now, I've been told (before the updates) that I should stear away from light.. And heavy was pretty specific.
Is this still true, and is clothing generally the best for melee?
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post Jun 20 2011, 15:13
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QUOTE(paul23 @ Jun 20 2011, 21:05) *

Though I'm more interested into the armours now, I've been told (before the updates) that I should stear away from light.. And heavy was pretty specific.
Is this still true, and is clothing generally the best for melee?


Cloth is only for mages now.
Use Shade armor with Fleet suffix if you want to go melee. Not sure how good/bad Heavy is now with the updates.
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post Jun 20 2011, 15:28
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Jun 20 2011, 14:13) *

Cloth is only for mages now.
Use Shade armor with Fleet suffix if you want to go melee. Not sure how good/bad Heavy is now with the updates.
Heavy is still good for lower level/difficulties.
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post Jun 20 2011, 15:44
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Jun 20 2011, 09:13) *

Cloth is only for mages now.
Use Shade armor with Fleet suffix if you want to go melee. Not sure how good/bad Heavy is now with the updates.

How is shade with shadowdancer?
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post Jun 20 2011, 15:52
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QUOTE(Rei-Tenshi @ Jun 20 2011, 15:13) *

Cloth is only for mages now.
Use Shade armor with Fleet suffix if you want to go melee. Not sure how good/bad Heavy is now with the updates.

not like I "suddenly" find an amazing shade armour lol. Being only lv 33 I'll probably only find leather, haven't ever seen kevlar or those things..
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post Jun 20 2011, 15:59
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QUOTE(paul23 @ Jun 20 2011, 15:52) *

not like I "suddenly" find an amazing shade armour lol. Being only lv 33 I'll probably only find leather, haven't ever seen kevlar or those things..


Keep it cheap, you will need the credits later for equip that will last longer than just the next fast passing first levels.
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post Jun 20 2011, 16:11
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I'm not really planning to BUY anything lol.. All my cash is going into training atm.. Is that bad investment?


I'm first of all getting that 5* 10% proficiency.. Then all extra battle inventory slots and then ability points (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif).
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post Jun 20 2011, 16:30
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I got my hands on some extra credits and now I wonder which training should I put them into. [stash.wakasa.eu] Here are my levels so far. Except skills I haven't trained much so far. Now I think probably Assimilator or some item-related trainings (Luck of the draw?). What do experts think?
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post Jun 20 2011, 16:43
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QUOTE(paul23 @ Jun 20 2011, 10:11) *

I'm not really planning to BUY anything lol.. All my cash is going into training atm.. Is that bad investment?
I'm first of all getting that 5* 10% proficiency.. Then all extra battle inventory slots and then ability points (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif).

I believe scavenger and luck of the draw are far more important than assimilator and pack rat. The reason is scavenger and luck of the draw give you more and better loots, therefore more credits in the future. Your proficiency cannot be that far behind considering your level. You probably just need to spam shield or weaken in grindfest in cake difficulty and you should be OK. Assimilator is more for high level players (200+).
Of course, if you have too much credits at your disposal, that is another story.
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post Jun 20 2011, 16:52
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mmk, does scavenger affect tokens? Because basic loot is worth nothing it seems.
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post Jun 20 2011, 17:07
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What is "Energy drink"? I assume its some sort of consumable item which restores stamina, right? Is it just another random drop or I can buy some drinks somewhere?
Also I'd like to know if Chaos token can be used for anything beside Monster lab?
And I need your advice, while I currently possess Fine Scythe of Slaughter I can buy Superior Scythe of Balance right now. Would that be wise decision?
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