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Jun 2 2011, 19:10
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XSaint
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...and any ideas on how to spend my xp? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ...also I'm thinking if the heavy armor was a good choice over the light one... This post has been edited by XSaint: Jun 2 2011, 19:20
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Jun 2 2011, 19:19
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foolboy
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QUOTE(whzx5byb @ Jun 2 2011, 08:29)  Well, as a warrior I admit that katana+wakizashi are very useful for newbie warrior. They can provide good damage and attack several targets. After lv.100 or so you can consider to look for a two-handed weapon because the profiency will provide more benefits then.
If you want to be a warrior spells are not necessary, for higher interference will make your magic weaker. What you should do is to attack, attack and heal. Health Tank, Magic Tank and Experience Bonus are fine, and Spirit Tank is only needed when you want to fulfill Overcharge Boost. By the way, Overcharge did provide 50% attack damage bonus before but now it only provide one third.When you reach higher level Weaken and Bewilder are very useful to fight against bosses. Spirit Attack is not so useful. It does do great damage but the spirit grows so slow, and does "soul" damage instead of "holy". When fighting against a strong boss you can try to use it.
So katana+wakizashi can hit mutiple targets with one click? Is it AOE? 2 handed weapons are more desirable for high lv melee, aren't they? How about 1 handed + shield, especially rapier + shield?
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Jun 3 2011, 02:26
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PK678353
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QUOTE(foolboy @ Jun 2 2011, 13:19)  So katana+wakizashi can hit mutiple targets with one click? Is it AOE? 2 handed weapons are more desirable for high lv melee, aren't they? How about 1 handed + shield, especially rapier + shield?
It's AOE the same way a longsword is AOE, Domino Strikes. Domino Strikes chance is determined from 2H prof (assuming that didn't change with the big prof patch) and the other bonuses from DW prof. 1H+Shield can be quite safe but it's perhaps the slowest method available. There's much to be said for avoiding up to half of the enemy's blows outright (high end tower shield and tons of prof), but a single weapon is slow, and the prof bonuses to 1H have the same ADM bonuses as Staff prof.
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Jun 3 2011, 02:39
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BlackHimari
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QUOTE(foolboy @ Jun 2 2011, 19:19)  So katana+wakizashi can hit mutiple targets with one click? Is it AOE? 2 handed weapons are more desirable for high lv melee, aren't they? How about 1 handed + shield, especially rapier + shield?
please look at here. Two-handed weapons do more damage because of the equipment profiencies: QUOTE When using TWO-HANDED
+ 4.0% Attack Damage + 0.5% Attack Accuracy + 0.5% Parry
When reach a higher level the base accuracy will go to 90 or higher. The accuracy provided by a wakizashi will becomes less important so you can try to use two-handed to gain more damage. When you fight against a boss or a legendary, a shield with high block will reduce much damage. A rapier with good proc can help you rush bosses(even faster with the help of specific infusions). However, using 1-handed and shield in IW or such place when you have to face up to 8 or 9 monsters makes me annoyed, for they can provide neither high acc nor aoe.
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Jun 3 2011, 03:08
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buktore
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QUOTE(XSaint @ Jun 2 2011, 18:49)  - I'm in need of your guidence! - My idea about it is to go dual wield Katana + Waki combo - My goal is to grind opponents to minced meat as fast as possible!
- Familiarize yourself with the game first and don't plan on specific play style this early in the game. (This is how I start playing every game, i.e. get the basic first) It's only after about Lv.80-100 and after acquire a good amount of decent gear that you can start to settle down on what style you want to go. - Getting a good Katana + Waki set is a very difficult task. Using a bad pair, you'll get a bad results + don't gain prof... It may do more bad than good if this is the case. That aside, if you want to use it, familiarize yourself with how DW (double wield) works, because Niten is similar to it, and it use DW prof for damage bonus. - Mage is still the fastest in this regard I believe. But the barrier of entry seem to be pretty steep now, so you can't really maging this early yet... QUOTE(foolboy @ Jun 3 2011, 00:19)  - So katana+wakizashi can hit mutiple targets with one click? Is it AOE? - 2 handed weapons are more desirable for high lv melee, aren't they? - How about 1 handed + shield, especially rapier + shield?
- Please read the wiki. - 2H become more reliable as your Lv grows, do more damage, and hit more enemy at once. (up to 9 at 200 prof) And when you have to fight for bazillion of rounds later on, killing 1 mob at a time is agonizingly slow... - It work. (I think) ... It just slower. QUOTE(whzx5byb @ Jun 3 2011, 07:39)  When reach a higher level the base accuracy will go to 90 or higher. The accuracy provided by a wakizashi will becomes less important so you can try to use two-handed to gain more damage.
Niten get bonus from DW bonus, so you can get more damage using it because DW bonus gives higher damage. The usefulness of Niten will begin to fade once your 2H prof reach 100 because 2H now can hit more mobs each attack, the damage inflict by Domino strike also increase as your 2H prof grows. And as your character gets better and have higher Lv, 2H will become more and more reliable to use. Once your prof reach 200, Niten usefulness fade sharply because now 2H can (usually) hit the whole screen (9 mobs) and do even more damage at the mobs further away because of the DOM boost, while Niten stay the same.
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Jun 3 2011, 03:13
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foolboy
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Thank you PK678353 and whzx5byb. The info is really helpful. Update: Thank you buktore, too.
This post has been edited by foolboy: Jun 3 2011, 03:31
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Jun 3 2011, 08:27
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Slobber
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Just found out I'm in a little bit of trouble. My ele proficiency is good but my divine proficiency is lacking. I don't have any dark spells available yet for me to do holy/dark grinds or the like. Trying to main holy on its own won't work since there's so many custom mobs now and we have angels flying around. Right now I'm doing RoB on holy resistant guys but yeah, I'm basically looking for a way to grind my prof (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Any advice would be appreciated ^^
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Jun 3 2011, 08:29
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BlackHimari
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QUOTE(buktore @ Jun 3 2011, 03:08)  Niten get bonus from DW bonus
Are you sure? Once I found a fact that when I change my main-hand katana for another one-handed weapon which has lower damage the total damage becomes higher on the contrary. How to explain? This post has been edited by whzx5byb: Jun 3 2011, 08:29
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Jun 3 2011, 09:31
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Namespoofer
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QUOTE(whzx5byb @ Jun 3 2011, 08:29)  Are you sure? Once I found a fact that when I change my main-hand katana for another one-handed weapon which has lower damage the total damage becomes higher on the contrary. How to explain?
You get a 50% bonus from your offhand weapon when you're dual wielding. Which increases by 1% every 10 prof maxing at +75%. However, you get +25% using Niten Ichyru from your offhand; thats why. Likewise for the damage increase, +1% every 10 prof, maxing at +50%
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Jun 3 2011, 09:36
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n125
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QUOTE(dcherry @ Jun 2 2011, 23:27)  Just found out I'm in a little bit of trouble. My ele proficiency is good but my divine proficiency is lacking. I don't have any dark spells available yet for me to do holy/dark grinds or the like. Trying to main holy on its own won't work since there's so many custom mobs now and we have angels flying around. Right now I'm doing RoB on holy resistant guys but yeah, I'm basically looking for a way to grind my prof (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Any advice would be appreciated ^^ I am going to have to do this soon as well, since my Divine proficiency is only at 25.00. Despite that, Purge seems to do quite a bit of damage to monsters weak to Holy, though. Anyway, the plan is to try working through a 200+ round Crude or Flimsy Item World on Cake difficulty. Running into Holy-resistant monsters should actually work in your favor since the goal is to use Divine spells as much as possible. Proficiency grinding these days makes me feel guilty about all of the Stamina I am wasting. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Jun 3 2011, 09:41
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Slobber
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QUOTE(n125 @ Jun 3 2011, 01:36)  I am going to have to do this soon as well, since my Divine proficiency is only at 25.00. Despite that, Purge seems to do quite a bit of damage to monsters weak to Holy, though. Anyway, the plan is to try working through a 200+ round Crude or Flimsy Item World on Cake difficulty. Running into Holy-resistant monsters should actually work in your favor since the goal is to use Divine spells as much as possible. Proficiency grinding these days makes me feel guilty about all of the Stamina I am wasting. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Mmm problem is those monsters often stack craploads of damage since I'm trying to grind on normal/hard. Doing tons of rounds = waste of stamina on low difficulty. Doing higher difficulty = getting raped cause your damage suffers and they stay alive/agitated longer. So far I'm doing this: Heading into RoB/Boss fights (ie Dalek/etc whoever is at end of Endgame and Twisted Plots and I literally smite the bastard to death with my Ele gear on. Death by 100 dmg smites! ^^ Once they hit agitated state I finish them off with their elemental weakness. No loss of stamina either since it's just "1 round" Was hoping for a better method but it's ok so far.
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Jun 3 2011, 09:51
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XSaint
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QUOTE(XSaint @ Jun 2 2011, 19:10)  ...and any ideas on how to spend my xp? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ...also I'm thinking if the heavy armor was a good choice over the light one... I got a pair of good katana and wakizashi, now I just have to figure out a good way to spend 25.000 xp.  I was neglecting AGI and DEX somewhat, Mostly putting on END 'cause HP is always good, and STR for damage. Also noticed it's good to have a balance of INT and WIS for castin curative magic. Any suggestions on the subject?
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Jun 3 2011, 10:32
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eleeinos
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QUOTE(XSaint @ Jun 3 2011, 10:51)  I got a pair of good katana and wakizashi, now I just have to figure out a good way to spend 25.000 xp.  I was neglecting AGI and DEX somewhat, Mostly putting on END 'cause HP is always good, and STR for damage. Also noticed it's good to have a balance of INT and WIS for castin curative magic. Any suggestions on the subject? From my experience, if you're fighting melee you should keep all three of STR/DEX/AGI quite high, as high as Endurance. Until you reach at least 100% hit chance (including weapon bonus of course), then maybe you can let Dexterity stay behind a little. But right now your Strength and Dexterity should be as high as your Endurance, and Agility should follow. Your INT/WIS seem OK to me for your level so you might be fine if you don't upgrade them any more for a couple of levels. Of course I'm not an "expert" yet so better wait for a second opinion. ^^; Also, how come you still have 2 Aura Points unspent? I would kill for 2 extra aura points right now and you have yours just sitting there.. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Jun 3 2011, 10:39
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XSaint
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jun 3 2011, 10:32)  Also, how come you still have 2 Aura Points unspent? I would kill for 2 extra aura points right now and you have yours just sitting there.. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)  I don't know... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I already have 2 activated, where would you pend the rest?
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Jun 3 2011, 10:51
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eleeinos
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QUOTE(XSaint @ Jun 3 2011, 11:39)   I don't know... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I already have 2 activated, where would you pend the rest? Hmm.. Personally I'd unlock the Blue aura first to get a small boost in WIS, so that I could afford not to upgrade it for a few levels and spend Experience points elsewhere (that's what I actually did ^^). As for the other point, if you are having any difficulty hitting enemies, if you're missing a lot, then pick the Orange Aura which gives a +5% hit chance, which is quite good at low levels. I didn't unlock that early and I kinda regret it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you easily hit enemies 90%+ of the time, then I'd say go for Yellow. Also, besides the Stat bonuses, you're also missing on the EXP bonuses that all Auras give, so there's no reason to keep them locked when you have points available.
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Jun 3 2011, 11:43
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XSaint
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QUOTE(eleeinos @ Jun 3 2011, 10:51)  Hmm.. Personally I'd unlock the Blue aura first to get a small boost in WIS, so that I could afford not to upgrade it for a few levels and spend Experience points elsewhere (that's what I actually did ^^). As for the other point, if you are having any difficulty hitting enemies, if you're missing a lot, then pick the Orange Aura which gives a +5% hit chance, which is quite good at low levels. I didn't unlock that early and I kinda regret it. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you easily hit enemies 90%+ of the time, then I'd say go for Yellow. Also, besides the Stat bonuses, you're also missing on the EXP bonuses that all Auras give, so there's no reason to keep them locked when you have points available. You have 2 Aura Slots (0 free), and 2 Aura Points available. Your current maximum aura rank is Rank 1. As of the description above, I suggest I can't spend more points as for now (0 free).
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Jun 3 2011, 13:10
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eleeinos
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QUOTE(XSaint @ Jun 3 2011, 12:43)  You have 2 Aura Slots (0 free), and 2 Aura Points available. Your current maximum aura rank is Rank 1.
As of the description above, I suggest I can't spend more points as for now (0 free).
Hmm my mistake, apparently you unlock the 3rd Aura Slot at level 40. ^^; Btw, what level is the katana you got?
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Jun 3 2011, 15:45
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foolboy
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If you have 25k credits, you can train your character to have another slot of aura.
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Jun 3 2011, 16:20
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Namespoofer
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I dunno, I reckon it's better to spend it somewhere else. 25k is a lot at his level you know.. It's probably more worth it to level scavenger, adept learner or lotd.
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Jun 3 2011, 16:44
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foolboy
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QUOTE(Namespoofer @ Jun 3 2011, 10:20)  I dunno, I reckon it's better to spend it somewhere else. 25k is a lot at his level you know.. It's probably more worth it to level scavenger, adept learner or lotd.
True. But you never know how rich they can be. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) It is an option. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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