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Man i will put it simple for you, get too around 80 holy mitigation and use that + silence and you are all set. Silence will remove his SP attack. Use a bleed main hand and then on your off hand you either use a stun weapon or PA, stun if your regen cant keep up, PA if your regen can keep up. This is all you need he is actually pretty simple to kill.

If you are asking how i kill him, i dont use silence, i just debuff with everything i can and pummel away with soul or dark. Dead within 100 turns or so.

Damn, this means I will have to wait until I'm lucky to find a new full set of holy mitigation armor in the Equipment shop.. And I must clear a few days' worth of arenas first, as my Credits right now are really low. Plus, I'll need new weapons it seems, one 1-h weapon for bleed (axe?) and one for PA (rapier or something?).

I'll try that then, but I hope I won't end up spending more Credits than the IPU's reward.. >_>;

Also, when you say "pummel away with soul or dark", you mean spells or melee? Because there's no way I can use soul/dark spells at this point..

@ eleeinos

It depends on what available to you and how you plan to fight them. Bleed, Stun, PA, or Maging for that matter ... all of them work. Just try to get Holy/Dark mit gear for the next fight, it should be a lot easier.

I don't have any Stun/Penetrated Armor weapons and I stopped using spells at around level 60 so my proficiencies are very low and my mage gear is close to zero. I've been fighting with a Longsword of Balance and a full set of Fine-Leather-Protection armor since then, so Bleed is the only thing I've got. And even if I go up to 500% holy mitigation.. well, you saw the damage I deal to it. 400 rounds and it was close to 70% HP. I ran out of potions at that time. Even with epic holy mitigation, it looks as if it will take me close to 2000 rounds to bleed it to death and I'll still run out of potions way before that happens ._. And of course, even if I buy some 1-h axe from the Bazaar for the dual-wielding experiment, there's no way it can have as high bleed as my current longsword:

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f414026369

Well, take a look at my character if you want and tell me if you have anything else to suggest.



And sorry if my post is confusing, it's 6:30am here.. X_X

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USE_SUPPORTIVE_SPELL

This post has been edited by buktore: May 31 2011, 05:58

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USE_SUPPORTIVE_SPELL

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You mean Shield, Barrier, Haste, Slow etc? But I use those from scrolls and they have much better effect.. don't they? I'm afraid that it will take me a lifetime to increase my Supportive proficiency so high that my spells will be better than scrolls and that I'll give up in the middle of it. >_>;

And so.. is that the only thing wrong with my character's build? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Edit: I also remembered that when I tried to use those in the past, casting 3-4 of them ate up half my MP (or more..)

This post has been edited by eleeinos: May 31 2011, 06:08

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You mean Shield, Barrier, Haste, Slow etc? But I use those from scrolls and they have much better effect.. don't they? I'm afraid that it will take me a lifetime to increase my Supportive proficiency so high that my spells will be better than scrolls and that I'll give up in the middle of it. >_>;

And so.. is that the only thing wrong with my character's build? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I dont know how you can be 100+ lvl and still have those shit equipment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Advice:
1)Buy new gear asap i sell stuff to bazaar everyday that are better then that.
2)If you wanna stay melee, supportive and decprecating proficiency close to your level around 80-90%.

Now this is how you should do it, first gather around 20k credits to buy godly mana potions and just spam shield and weaken on monsters. After that buy new gear doesnt need to be the most expensive but you can probably get a average kevlar or something for 5-8k a piece.


This post has been edited by Eutopia: May 31 2011, 06:13

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) You mean Shield, Barrier, Haste, Slow etc? But I use those from scrolls and they have much better effect.. don't they? I'm afraid that it will take me a lifetime to increase my Supportive proficiency so high that my spells will be better than scrolls and that I'll give up in the middle of it. >_>;

And so.. is that the only thing wrong with my character's build? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

1. Your equipment's horribly bad. Even the worst kelver/dragon-hide should be better than those leather you're using.
Have you tried to calculate how much action speed you've lost through burden?

2. If you only rely on scrolls to give you those supportive effects, then how many scrolls you will need to beat God? 20-30 each?
You NEED to train your supportive prof., even for normal gameplay.

3.You're not using poison, weaken, blind and bewilder? Anyone of them will give you some advantage to beat God

Conclusion: You're not prepared to beat God right now, even with mitigation and good weapons

Edit: Lol, I am a mage. Why am I giving some advice to a melee?



This post has been edited by varst: May 31 2011, 06:18

But I use those from scrolls and they have much better effect.. don't they?

That probably is the reason why you're so darn poor...

And so.. is that the only thing wrong with my character's build? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

No. But it was such a massive fail, it completely overshadow every other flaws.

There's 3 choices

- Learn to use it.
- Remain sucks.
- Play Mage.

Choose what you like.

That probably is the reason why you're so darn poor...
No. But it was such a massive fail, it completely overshadow every other flaws.

There's 3 choices

- Learn to use it.
- Remain sucks.
- Play Mage.

Choose what you like.

No, MAGES STILL NEED TO USE SUPPORTIVE SPELLS TO FIGHT GODS. EVEN MORE THAN MELEES
Don't give him the third choice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I dont know how you can be 100+ lvl and still have those shit equipment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Advice:
1)Buy new gear asap i sell stuff to bazaar everyday that are better then that.
2)If you wanna stay melee, supportive and decprecating proficiency close to your level around 80-90%.

Now this is how you should do it, first gather around 20k credits to buy godly mana potions and just spam shield and weaken on monsters. After that buy new gear doesnt need to be the most expensive but you can probably get a average kevlar or something for 5-8k a piece.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) That's because 99% of the equipment drops I get, even when playing Item Worlds on Heroic, are Fair/Average, sometimes Fine at best.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) I have only 5/25 Luck Of The Draw but still, playing on damn Heroic should make up for that.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I have NEVER gotten a Kevlar, Shade, Ethereal or such drop.. How can you possibly get such drops? @_@

As for my equipment, I know they're just Leather but they're all pretty high level stuff that I bought from the Bazaar, believing that they would be good enough for.. well, anything. Here, take a look:

Helmet
Body
Hands
Legs
Feet

So all this equipment is really shit? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) You mean that "Average Kevlar" is better than "Exquisite Leather"? I wasn't aware of that.. I'm gonna have to spend a fortune at the Equipment shop then... (I tried to buy a Kevlar breastplate from Buktore but he wouldn't sell it to me.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif))

But all right, I'll try to raise my supportive/deprecating proficiencies and lurk around more to find kevlar armor.

1. Your equipment's horribly bad. Even the worst kelver/dragon-hide should be better than those leather you're using.
Have you tried to calculate how much action speed you've lost through burden?

2. If you only rely on scrolls to give you those supportive effects, then how many scrolls you will need to beat God? 20-30 each?
You NEED to train your supportive prof., even for normal gameplay.

3.You're not using poison, weaken, blind and bewilder? Anyone of them will give you some advantage to beat God

Conclusion: You're not prepared to beat God right now, even with mitigation and good weapons

Edit: Lol, I am a mage. Why am I giving some advice to a melee?

1. That actually answers one of my questions above, thanks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And I haven't noticed more than 1-2 certain monsters hitting me twice before I could hit them back, so I don't think I have that much burden. But what can I possibly do about that? Wear Cloth armor and be slaughtered in half a round? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) It's all just.. light Leather armor..

2. I only used 3-4 scrolls of the avatar + 3-4 scrolls of life to beat the legendaries (Konata and such) so I figured 6-7 would be enough for a God... >_>

3. I used the combination Poison/Blind/Weaken up until the legendaries, worked pretty well with them but I figured Silence alone would work better, since it can't even be combined with any of the above. I thought disabling the God's magic and spirit attack completely would be a better advantage than reducing its melee damage by 25% and then being hit for ten billion HP by its spirit attack. Maybe I was wrong..

Maybe you meant to say "fuck melee, switch to mage"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But it's a bit late for me now..

That probably is the reason why you're so darn poor...

No, honestly, I haven't spent more than 15k for scrolls in total ever since I started playing. And most of that money went for a handful of Scrolls of the Gods which I haven't really used yet.. I only use scrolls against bosses and up anyway.

It's possible that I'm damn poor because I only play Item Worlds to gain EXP quickly and only about 100 Grindfest rounds per week or so.. >_>

No. But it was such a massive fail, it completely overshadow every other flaws.

There's 3 choices

- Learn to use it.
- Remain sucks.
- Play Mage.

Choose what you like.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
Btw, I played up until level 60 or so and once I switched to melee I could clear twice as many Item World rounds in an instant. So I gave up on that early..

At your level it seems you should be able to get a little credits at least. You have 11 arena challenges open to you. That's roughly 5k+ per day.

There's also a bunch of crystal buyers around right now, that's a reliable source of income too if you're doing 10+ itemworlds a day as well. Don't *have* to do grindfest to make money, but it does help I think.

I love taking advantage of the heal in the early arenas. Esp the first 5 or so. You can weaken spam the monster until you're out of mana and then finish it off for free healing. You could even set it on "cake" if you want to be super safe about it ^^

e: and can someone correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought the physical absorption isn't too useful versus bosses? if they're slamming for high numbers, % reduc would be best, no?

This post has been edited by dcherry: May 31 2011, 07:07

At your level it seems you should be able to get a little credits at least. You have 11 arena challenges open to you. That's roughly 5k+ per day.

There's also a bunch of crystal buyers around right now, that's a reliable source of income too if you're doing 10+ itemworlds a day as well. Don't *have* to do grindfest to make money, but it does help I think.

I love taking advantage of the heal in the early arenas. Esp the first 5 or so. You can weaken spam the monster until you're out of mana and then finish it off for free healing. You could even set it on "cake" if you want to be super safe about it ^^

Actually it's 7000+ Credits per day, but I made the mistake of spending 59000 to upgrade the Archaeologist skill recently, trained +2 Aura Slots for ~70000, plus several levels on plenty of other skills for a few hundred credits in total.. thus, not much left for equipment. ;_; I'll stop training skills for a while and see how it goes.

But yeah, that's what I was planning to do. Cake difficulty on an early Item World round with 1 monster (where it will be even weaker than normal) and spam the hell out of the cheapest deprecating and supporting spells. I'll work on it for 2-3 days and I'll see if it's any good. ^^;

And I do sell Crystals, usually when I gather 100 of a kind, but right now I only have that much Quintessence and Devotion, which nobody wants.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I have NEVER gotten a Kevlar, Shade, Ethereal or such drop.

So all this equipment is really shit? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) You mean that "Average Kevlar" is better than "Exquisite Leather"?)

But what can I possibly do about that? Wear Cloth armor and be slaughtered in half a round? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) It's all just.. light Leather armor..

I only used 3-4 scrolls of the avatar + 3-4 scrolls of life to beat the legendaries (Konata and such) so I figured 6-7 would be enough for a God... >_>

I thought disabling the God's magic and spirit attack completely would be a better advantage than reducing its melee damage by 25% and then being hit for ten billion HP by its spirit attack. Maybe I was wrong..

Maybe you meant to say "fuck melee, switch to mage"? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But it's a bit late for me now..

1. You should try to buy from WTS threads.

2. YES, average kelvar beats exquisite leather to a large amount.
You can try to check that with a look at the kelvar gauntlet that conquest is auctioning.
That's only an average one, but it already has better damage mitigation, better burden and interference, better PAB, and better evade and resist chance than yours. It may have worse physical mitigation, but that's becuase it doesn't have 'protection' as suffix.

3. Again, you can expect a 30-50% drop in total burden once you change to all-kelvar.

4. Legends are all different from Gods, as Gods have way higher barrier and shield rating than legends.
My spells can hit legends for about 8000 damage, but can only hit FSM for about 2000.

5. I'm not sure about that, but i think silence is better only if you can sustain those hits from Gods. Weaken+poison+blind is better for general use; you don't even need to have mitigation armor.

6. No, i am not saying that mages are better than melees. But you've gone way too wrong in the build that even a mage can notice it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Try to train your supportive and deprecating prof. Eutopia has provided a very good way to spam spells in order to gain prof.

Edit:

7. Physical absorption isn't useful if you can expect 600 damage per hit from Gods, so going for physical mitigation may help, dcherry.

8. You can spam your spells through the first 5 arenas, but that will only be enough to keep your prof. at certain level. If you need to train, you need to spend a decent amount of mana potions and spam it in grindfest.


This post has been edited by varst: May 31 2011, 07:16

That's because 99% of the equipment drops I get, even when playing Item Worlds on Heroic, are Fair/Average, sometimes Fine at best.

This applied to everyone who are not "up there" yet. (Me included. Though recently it feels like I have began to take a few step up)

I have only 5/25 Luck Of The Draw

Where else do you spent your money on anyway?

I have NEVER gotten a Kevlar, Shade, Ethereal or such drop.. How can you possibly get such drops?

I only got 1-2 usable drop up til now... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

I tried to buy a Kevlar breastplate from Buktore but he wouldn't sell it to me

I will. Just wait for a bit.

Btw, I played up until level 60 or so and once I switched to melee I could clear twice as many Item World rounds in an instant. So I gave up on that early..

lolwut?

Actually it's 7000+ Credits per day, but I made the mistake of spending 59000 to upgrade the Archaeologist skill recently, trained +2 Aura Slots for ~70000, plus several levels on plenty of other skills for a few hundred credits in total.. thus, not much left for equipment. ;_; I'll stop training skills for a while and see how it goes.

But yeah, that's what I was planning to do. Cake difficulty on an early Item World round with 1 monster (where it will be even weaker than normal) and spam the hell out of the cheapest deprecating and supporting spells. I'll work on it for 2-3 days and I'll see if it's any good. ^^;

And I do sell Crystals, usually when I gather 100 of a kind, but right now I only have that much Quintessence and Devotion, which nobody wants.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Sounds good. You can do that for the early arena challenges (1-5 probably) or you can do that for a crap itemworld like you said. Just make sure you do it when you're 79 or less stamina imo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

BTW, use staffs when grinding Deprecate prof and spam Weaken. Put 1 point in Flame spike to use it to grind Support prof is also a good idea.

1. You should try to buy from WTS threads.

2. YES, average kelvar beats exquisite leather to a large amount.
You can try to check that with a look at the kelvar gauntlet that conquest is auctioning.
That's only an average one, but it already has better damage mitigation, better burden and interference, better PAB, and better evade and resist chance than yours. It may have worse physical mitigation, but that's becuase it doesn't have 'protection' as suffix.

3. Again, you can expect a 30-50% drop in total burden once you change to all-kelvar.

4. Legends are all different from Gods, as Gods have way higher barrier and shield rating than legends.
My spells can hit legends for about 8000 damage, but can only hit FSM for about 2000.

5. I'm not sure about that, but i think silence is better only if you can sustain those hits from Gods. Weaken+poison+blind is better for general use; you don't even need to have mitigation armor.

6. No, i am not saying that mages are better than melees. But you've gone way too wrong in the build that even a mage can notice it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Try to train your supportive and deprecating prof. Eutopia has provided a very good way to spam spells in order to gain prof.

1. Yeah, I didn't look much into those threads so far.. my mistake. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

2. Um.. But I just saw this Kevlar Breastplate in the Bazaar, but it's actually worse than my Exquisite Leather.. @_@
Edit: scratch that, it's sold already (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

3. Sounds pretty good, I hope I can find a full set after all.

4. And if I charge at FSM as I am know, I will slash it for 34 damage at best.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Those numbers sound crazy to me, I actually dropped mage because my spells wouldn't do enough damage to regular monsters.. I guess I got that all wrong from the beginning, equipment-wise and everything.

5. So I'll switch back to that if the experiment with all-holy-mitigation armor fails.

6. Well if my supportive and deprecating proficiencies are the only thing wrong then I guess it can be fixed.. I just hope I haven't done anything equally wrong..

This applied to everyone who are not "up there" yet. (Me included. Though recently it feels like I have began to take a few step up)

That's actually reassuring, I thought I was drowning in bad luck here.. ^^;

Where else do you spent your money on anyway?

Mostly here (i.e. +46 ability points (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

And also bought a bunch of artifacts from the bazaar, since I normally get one every 10 levels or so. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I only got 1-2 usable drop up til now... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Same here.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I will. Just wait for a bit.

Ah, thanks! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

lolwut?

I meant I played mage up until level 60 or so.. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But I didn't use the right mage equipment (apparently) so my spells were much weaker than they should..

Sounds good. You can do that for the early arena challenges (1-5 probably) or you can do that for a crap itemworld like you said. Just make sure you do it when you're 79 or less stamina imo (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hmm... ok, but what does stamina have to do with that? If I stay all day in the same round I won't lose any stamina for all this, right? ^^;

This post has been edited by eleeinos: May 31 2011, 07:55

Hmm... ok, but what does stamina have to do with that? If I stay all day in the same round I won't lose any stamina for all this, right? ^^;

It is consumed at the following rates:
- 0.050 per round cleared with Great status ("rested")
- 0.010 per round cleared with Normal status and below in Arena/Item World
- 0.020 per round cleared with Normal status and below in Grindfest

the most efficient use of your stamina is to have "normal" ie 79 status for the grinding of "proficiency"

i assume you plan on going into round 1 spending all your mana, then using potions, then spending mana, then fleeing.

or something of that sort

basically the way i see it is.
great status 0.050 <- good for grindfest because grindfest becomes relatively "inefficient" later on (since it costs twice the stamina as arena/IW on normal status)

ofc if you're grinding huge exp that great status is worth going into IW/arena for. guess it just depends on your circumstances

This post has been edited by dcherry: May 31 2011, 09:26

Man, that's just interesting. I had no idea that someone would spend that much on ability points. Anyway, you should definitely check player stores. I mean some of them don't sell much above market value. And going to auctions is not a bad idea since you can clearly afford the gear and you can sometimes get very decent prices on decent light gear. I'd still say its easier to get your hands on a good piece of dragonhide than kevlar though. Kevlar pieces are rarer and tend to have better stat points and burden/intereference in general but you're far more likely to find good dragonhide easily these days. -Vakuen

Yeah, I already picked some cheap fair/average dragonhide armor "of the thrice blessed" from the shop, built up a holy mitigation of 40.1%. I'll try to use those for fighting IPU and I'll make a more thorough search for Kevlar armor that will be used for all other fights.

@dcherry: That's exactly what I'm doing, playing Exquisite Item Worlds on Heroic Difficulty until my stamina drops to 79, which gives me on average ~3000 EXP / round at this point. I generally don't play at all when my stamina is below 80.. And yeah, that's exactly what I plan to do, use all mana potions in the first round of a grindfest or early arena, spam the hell out of cheap spells and then flee (for grindfest) or clear the arena.

And also bought a bunch of artifacts from the bazaar, since I normally get one every 10 levels or so. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Don't.

Look in the WTB section. Lots of people are offering 11.5k for artifacts, and loads of people are selling. Buy from players, not the bazaar. This is generally true for everything else too.

Man, that's just interesting. I had no idea that someone would spend that much on ability points.

I have 73 levels in ability boost. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Ah, completely forgot the reason I came here.

Let's see, a few questions:
1. If you have two different procs, the penetration proc as main and bleeding proc as secondary, does the penetration proc always take precedence? And can they occur on the same turn?

2. If you have two procs, say two procs of 25% for penetrated armor or two procs of 25% for bleeding wound, does that actual proc become 50%? I don't think this conforms to my experience but I haven't specifically been tracking it...

3. I don't get the big idea of what supporting magic is useful for melee. At my level: shield and barrier seem like a waste of mana and they don't do...anything effective. Haste and Shadow Veil are way too mana intensive. Deprecative spells are far more important to me. Poison, slow, weaken, bewilder are like bread and butter. To me so far: Cure>Weaken>Poison>Bewilder>Slow. I don't see any reason for using supportive magics. Is there some hidden benefit I'm not seeing for keeping this up? I find that cure and deprecative magic to be completely effective for my fights against even RoBs and most people talking of the gods talk about deprecative magics not supportive ones. So, what's up with that?

4. I'm spending a lot of time on this game.

-Vakuen

This post has been edited by Vakuen: May 31 2011, 10:04