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post Mar 16 2015, 11:34
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 16 2015, 16:49) *

According to the boss, it's a linear 0% to 5% with one upgrade, up to 100% with all upgrades.


Really? In that case, if my formula is correct, I should

- raise the Scavenge level to 1 when unlock cost exceeds 20
- raise the Scavenge level to 2 when unlock cost exceeds 42
- raise the Scavenge level to 3 when unlock cost exceeds 66
- raise the Scavenge level to 4 when unlock cost exceeds 92
- raise the Scavenge level to 5 when unlock cost exceeds 120

QUOTE(forneus_zero @ Mar 16 2015, 17:29) *

Sorry for asking obvious question, wiki isn't clear enough.

For 3 days gift to occur the conditions are:
>25 PL
Morale?
Hunger?

I'm guessing we have to maintain morale and hunger level in order to get 3 days gift or is it not? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Forgot to ask this before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)


PL > 25 and morale not zero.
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post Mar 16 2015, 12:06
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I've been holding on to quite an amount of credits right now and it's been really tempting me to start spending. It's making me look around the WTS at those power of slauhter. The good ones are quite expensive, it'd probably be about 1m to get a full set of good ones at an estimated price of 200k for each piece. Plenty of good shields as well and those aren't too expensive. I'm really holding the temptation down as I'm trying to get through level 200 without changing anything and see how things will be when I get spirit shield which will then help me decide on what to change. The only reason I'm thinking of those power of slaughter is because there are a few monsters that take quite a few hits to kill now at hell, about 5 to 6 hits instead of 2 to 3 hits. Then there's also the worry about how things will change in the next patch.

Trying to hold out for now but the temptation is really getting difficult to hold back.
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post Mar 16 2015, 12:26
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QUOTE(CrimsonClown @ Mar 16 2015, 10:06) *

I've been holding on to quite an amount of credits right now and it's been really tempting me to start spending. It's making me look around the WTS at those power of slauhter. The good ones are quite expensive, it'd probably be about 1m to get a full set of good ones at an estimated price of 200k for each piece. Plenty of good shields as well and those aren't too expensive. I'm really holding the temptation down as I'm trying to get through level 200 without changing anything and see how things will be when I get spirit shield which will then help me decide on what to change. The only reason I'm thinking of those power of slaughter is because there are a few monsters that take quite a few hits to kill now at hell, about 5 to 6 hits instead of 2 to 3 hits. Then there's also the worry about how things will change in the next patch.

Trying to hold out for now but the temptation is really getting difficult to hold back.
If you see a solid force shield or rapier upgrade that isn't too expensive, I'd get it as soon as possible. Better to have resources invested in gear helping you clear faster than to have those credits collecting dust in your inventory. Perhaps the same is true of armor, but given your level you still need to make sure you're balancing damage and toughness, so more Power Slaughter might not necessarily be the worthwhile upgrade at the moment, at your level, depending on your current gear. (1 to 3 might be good, but 4 or 5 might mean sacrificing too much durability. depends on what difficulty you prefer playing at)

Check many different shops first if you want an idea of what a good price is, before you buy.
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post Mar 16 2015, 12:43
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Rapier of slaughter are kind of expensive though, I'm looking at those ethereal ones which are around 200k to 300k. The cheaper ones don't have too attractive stat combinations like high damage but very low PA chance. Shields I have found exquisite of protections with around 30 to 32 base block around 50k to 75k, though I'm not sure at what range a shield would be considered to have a good enough block.

It would be cheaper that way by getting about 3 power of slaughter and 2 plate of protection or even better with the shielding prefix for those plates. Even with just 3 it would probably increase my damage as the power of slaughters I've seen are about 3x the damage my shades give me.

I prefer playing at hell and no lower unless I'm just clearing something for the first time bonus or I just want the trophies. I just cleared Endgame on hell right now without using any potions, got really lucky with a lot of mana gem drops. I always do check multiple stores to compare prices and the stats, buying now would definitely be good as my level is still valid for some shops with discounts.
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post Mar 16 2015, 13:52
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I've got a superior short sword of slaughter and i can't seem to clear item world with it. So what else can item world do other than upgrading your weapon? Also, i find it really hard to gain credits since the arena bonus is so little after the first clear.. What can i do? Tyvm (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 16 2015, 14:04
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QUOTE(Kominechan @ Mar 16 2015, 04:52) *

I've got a superior short sword of slaughter and i can't seem to clear item world with it. So what else can item world do other than upgrading your weapon? Also, i find it really hard to gain credits since the arena bonus is so little after the first clear.. What can i do? Tyvm (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Item world is mainly for upgrading your equipment. You should wait until you're at a higher level (+200) before trying to IW something and just focus on leveling up right now. As you level up you'll gain access to more arenas which you can grind for credits. And make sure you do as many Random Encounters as you can; that will give you a huge EXP boost and let you level up quickly.
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post Mar 16 2015, 15:21
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QUOTE(Dammon @ Mar 16 2015, 14:04) *

Item world is mainly for upgrading your equipment. You should wait until you're at a higher level (+200) before trying to IW something and just focus on leveling up right now. As you level up you'll gain access to more arenas which you can grind for credits. And make sure you do as many Random Encounters as you can; that will give you a huge EXP boost and let you level up quickly.


Ooohh.. Thanks. What about ring of blood? Is it important?
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post Mar 16 2015, 15:54
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Ooohh.. Thanks. What about ring of blood? Is it important?


The Ring of Blood is the only place where you can use Blood Tokens. It allows you to enter a single round battle against various high-level monsters. Once you've done each challenge once for the clear bonus, you should only use blood tokens for battling the Flying Spaghetti Monster because you can sell the trophy it drops for 30k.
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post Mar 16 2015, 16:24
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whats the best way to get token of blood? and which training affect the ToB drop rate? thanks.

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post Mar 16 2015, 16:26
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whats the best way to get token of blood? and which training affect the ToB drop rate? thanks.


Doing all the arenas and raising Tokenizer.
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post Mar 16 2015, 16:31
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According to http://ehwiki.org/wiki/token#Tokens, they rarely drop in normal battles. You can also get them as arena/RoB clear bonus, and in the lotteries.

As far as I know, the drop rate is only affected by the Tokenizer family of hath perks. These are pretty expensive and probably not worth picking up for now.

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post Mar 16 2015, 16:36
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does divine spells better than elemental spells? cause it consume way more mp. if its better i kinda want to try divine/forbiden build. if not, im not going to spend any credits for another sets of equipment. thanks.
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post Mar 16 2015, 17:03
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QUOTE(diegodiego13 @ Mar 16 2015, 22:36) *

does divine spells better than elemental spells? cause it consume way more mp. if its better i kinda want to try divine/forbiden build. if not, im not going to spend any credits for another sets of equipment. thanks.

Divine spell kill faster than elemental spell. With the draw back of high mana and long cast time. Not really better in most of the case, besides school girls/bosses fight.

Dark is no good at all. At least for your level.
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post Mar 16 2015, 19:21
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 16 2015, 09:49) *

According to the boss, it's a linear 0% to 5% with one upgrade, up to 100% with all upgrades.


Just to be clear, it's +100%. That's to say with all the upgrades you double your chances of a double gift.
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post Mar 16 2015, 20:34
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Do ebony staffs actually exist, or is the advice page again just severely outdated?

Edit: Ah, just found them on the "Obsolete items" page. Too bad.

Would be nice if the abilities for mages was updated too. I've heard some people mentioning some abilities that aren't listed there for high level mage play.

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post Mar 16 2015, 21:08
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QUOTE(FruitSmoothie @ Mar 16 2015, 19:34) *

Do ebony staffs actually exist, or is the advice page again just severely outdated?

Edit: Ah, just found them on the "Obsolete items" page. Too bad.

they used to drop until some versions ago, but now they still exist. as you can see, they were an elemental-oriented kind of staffs, but now redwoods have that role

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Would be nice if the abilities for mages was updated too. I've heard some people mentioning some abilities that aren't listed there for high level mage play.

which ones?
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post Mar 16 2015, 21:24
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ Mar 16 2015, 17:21) *
Just to be clear, it's +100%. That's to say with all the upgrades you double your chances of a double gift.
In June 2012 base chance was 0, and the boss said:
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Tenboro, how does the double gift chance work exactly? Start at zero with no upgrades and increase 5% with each one? Or is there an added default base value now that is increased by 5% each time, like with trainings?
There is no base. Upgrade twice and you have 10% chance, upgrade 20 times and you have 100% chance.
I don't remember any of my non-upgraded monsters ever giving me double gifts, so I assumed this was still how it works. Have I just been unlucky?
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 16 2015, 20:24) *

In June 2012 base chance was 0, and the boss said:There is no base. Upgrade twice and you have 10% chance, upgrade 20 times and you have 100% chance.I don't remember any of my non-upgraded monsters ever giving me double gifts, so I assumed this was still how it works. Have I just been unlucky?

that's one of the advantages of upgrading PL (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

scavenging is the most important stat for a monster, and lv4 is already enough to see double gifts on a relatively frequent base. and besides, scavenging 3 only requires PL100

a couple examples i tracked:
  • Bridget Regan brought you a gift! - PL 772, scavenging lv9
    Received some High-Grade Wood.
    Received some High-Grade Metals.
    Received some High-Grade Cloth.
    Received some Mid-Grade Metals.
  • Lindsay Lohan brought you a gift! - PL 57, scavenging lv2
    Received some Low-Grade Wood.
    Received some Low-Grade Wood.
    Received some Low-Grade Metals.
    Received some Low-Grade Leather.
    Received some Low-Grade Metals.
    Received some Low-Grade Cloth.


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post Mar 16 2015, 22:10
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Mar 16 2015, 19:48) *

that's one of the advantages of upgrading PL (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

scavenging is the most important stat for a monster, and lv4 is already enough to see double gifts on a relatively frequent base. and besides, scavenging 3 only requires PL100
So the mechanics have changed since the boss's post, and it is false that [base double gift chance chance is 0 regardless of PL]? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Right now I think it costs me 40 tokens to create 2 monsters - 20 tokens for 1 monster - 1 token for +5% gift - same as a single Scavenger upgrade, on average, assuming that (win rate, PL effect on gift-grade, food/morale upkeep) are all insignificant. So, I've only just started with the first Scavenger upgrades on all my monsters. But what I'm doing is wrong if the mechanics have changed...
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Mar 16 2015, 21:10) *

So the mechanics have changed since the boss's post, and it is false that [base double gift chance chance is 0 regardless of PL]? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Right now I think it costs me 40 tokens to create 2 monsters - 20 tokens for 1 monster - 1 token for +5% gift - same as a single Scavenger upgrade, on average, assuming that (win rate, PL effect on gift-grade, food/morale upkeep) are all insignificant. So, I've only just started with the first Scavenger upgrades on all my monsters. But what I'm doing is wrong if the mechanics have changed...

i don't really know what are the mechanics, i posted you what i saw. obviously it was quite a coincidence that a PL57 brought such many gifts, but still... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

also, upgrading scavenging on a bunch of low-PL mobs should be quite preferrable if compared to create a new one, i think (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[edit]: oh, and with gold star you will unlock two mobs with those 20 tokens, so cost for 2 mobs is still 20 tokens. just saying...

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