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post Dec 23 2014, 15:49
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 23 2014, 04:31) *
Also, lvl 310 is very important for elemental mages, less so for Holy/Dark mages. Still useful though, since Imperil also reduces MMI.


I think level 310 is just as important for dark and holy mages as well, since they can augment Imperil with Dark Imperil and Holy Imperil and drop those mitigations by 30...ish. It's possibly more important because they spend considerably more MP to cast spells than elemental mages, and the slightly higher damage modifiers on their spells and somewhat more-favorable resistance profiles (on paper) aren't really enough to compensate for that.
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post Dec 23 2014, 18:52
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What means Scavenger Training. It says +2% loot drop chance. As i checked its 10% basic+ 0-15 (power level of monster). It ll add 2% to 10% or ? So, something like 10,2 chance.
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post Dec 23 2014, 19:12
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 24 2014, 00:52) *

What means Scavenger Training. It says +2% loot drop chance. As i checked its 10% basic+ 0-15 (power level of monster). It ll add 2% to 10% or ? So, something like 10,2 chance.

The original chance of a loot drop is 10%.
If you train scavenger to 1/50, then it becomes 10.05%.
If you train scavenger to 2/50, then it becomes 10.10%.
If you train scavenger to 3/50, then it becomes 10.15%.
If you train scavenger to 4/50, then it becomes 10.20%.
If you train scavenger to 5/50, then it becomes 10.25%.
...
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If you train scavenger to 46/50, then it becomes 12.30%.
If you train scavenger to 47/50, then it becomes 12.35%.
If you train scavenger to 48/50, then it becomes 12.40%.
If you train scavenger to 49/50, then it becomes 12.45%.
If you train scavenger to 50/50, then it becomes 12.50%.

CMIIW, thx
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post Dec 23 2014, 19:23
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Thx. Looks like a bit bad investment. 50х4 hours with some price and only 25% more trophies at the end.
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post Dec 23 2014, 19:38
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I've been using 1H since I started the game and my depreciating prof is at 5.65 (they increase by 0.03 when I cast depreciating spells during battle, very little (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) )

So umm how can I increase my dep prof so as to get Imperil and Silence (which I noticed I didn't have (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) cause I wasn't using dep spells that much anyway so it didn't bother me) I thought that I will try to increase my dep prof sometimes later and this sometimes later is now, so whats the best way to increase my depreciating prof?

Oh and while we are at it all my other magical prof are low in general since i was using more 1H (as you can see my stats in the pic below), how do I increase them more (more than what I get which is 0.01 during battle) Should I change my gear for that (i have some mage gear but they are mostly superior stuff I've been getting when doing Arenas) ??

Here my stats:

(IMG:[i61.tinypic.com] http://i61.tinypic.com/25721x0.jpg)


And my current gear (notice that I don't have much credits to change/buy new gears at this point):

Rapier
Shield
Helmet
Body
Hands
Legs
Feet

Oh and with this 1H gear I can do RE PFUDOR (but have to use potions when I have 6 - 10 monsters, when I have less than 6 monsters, I don't use much potion)

And another question that comes to mind is should i bother to IW them (At least some level - like lvl 1 or 2 or should i wait when i become level 250+ to start IW them. (I have also been thinking to change gears when i get to higher levels and use my current gear as much as possible till I get enough credits also to buy new gears)




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post Dec 23 2014, 19:56
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QUOTE(The Magi @ Dec 23 2014, 18:38) *

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it's quite common for melee to have low profs. pick your highest WIS cloth armors and a bunch of MP potions (greaters is fine enough), slot cloth MP lv1 and the highest possible level of weaken, download hoverplay (or spellspam) script and enter hit-and-run normal difficulty grindfest spamming weaken. your level shouldn't allow you to have 0-CD weaken, so throw in another deprecating spell of your choice (slow, for example). aim for 100 prof, either for unlocking magnet and a decent duration of your spells.

while you're at it, do it for forbidden prof too, this time by spamming corruption; aim for 200 prof to unlock ragnarok; it's more boring than deprecating but you'll need it later

and btw, 0.03 is the maximum value you can raise a prof per action taken (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Dec 23 2014, 20:03
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Regarding IW I say leave it for now. 1 or 2 lvl don't do much difference anyway. If possible save credits and try to purchase slaughter gears. (they require some money but sometimes you will get them for cheap if u are lucky).
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post Dec 23 2014, 20:17
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Ok thanks for the advice.


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post Dec 23 2014, 20:53
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I've been looking through the WTS and WTB to get a sense of the value of gear. So far, I'm really at a loss.
Could someone with more experience than I appraise my gear for me? And possibly explain why its price is what it is?
Note: since I got a lot of this stuff from the free shop, I'm not selling these. I just want to know their value to get something of a baseline.

Main weapons:
Main hand: Exquisite Shocking Axe of Slaughter
Offhand: Exquisite Ethereal Club of Balance

Alt weapon:
Superior Ethereal Estoc of Balance

Armor:
Exquisite Shade Helmet of the Fleet
Exquisite Ruby Leather Breastplate of Protection
Superior Leather Gauntlets of Protection
Superior Shade Leggings of the Fleet
Superior Leather Boots of Protection

Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Dec 23 2014, 21:06
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QUOTE(Fucktard5000 @ Dec 23 2014, 19:53) *

I've been looking through the WTS and WTB to get a sense of the value of gear. So far, I'm really at a loss.
Could someone with more experience than I appraise my gear for me? And possibly explain why its price is what it is?
Note: since I got a lot of this stuff from the free shop, I'm not selling these. I just want to know their value to get something of a baseline.

Main weapons:
Main hand: Exquisite Shocking Axe of Slaughter
Offhand: Exquisite Ethereal Club of Balance

Alt weapon:
Superior Ethereal Estoc of Balance

Armor:
Exquisite Shade Helmet of the Fleet
Exquisite Ruby Leather Breastplate of Protection
Superior Leather Gauntlets of Protection
Superior Shade Leggings of the Fleet
Superior Leather Boots of Protection

Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Let's say 5k for each exquisite stuff and the ethereal estoc... although I don't really want to appraise the stuff you have. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

If you want an idea of the prices, you should look at auctions instead. Or at gear that is sold rather than gear rotting on a shelf.
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post Dec 23 2014, 21:06
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QUOTE(Fucktard5000 @ Dec 24 2014, 02:53) *

I've been looking through the WTS and WTB to get a sense of the value of gear. So far, I'm really at a loss.
Could someone with more experience than I appraise my gear for me? And possibly explain why its price is what it is?
Note: since I got a lot of this stuff from the free shop, I'm not selling these. I just want to know their value to get something of a baseline.

Main weapons:
Main hand: Exquisite Shocking Axe of Slaughter
Offhand: Exquisite Ethereal Club of Balance

Alt weapon:
Superior Ethereal Estoc of Balance

Armor:
Exquisite Shade Helmet of the Fleet
Exquisite Ruby Leather Breastplate of Protection
Superior Leather Gauntlets of Protection
Superior Shade Leggings of the Fleet
Superior Leather Boots of Protection

Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

All of them will not sell. Or <5k each.
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post Dec 23 2014, 21:07
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So, artifacts.

I have 7-8 precursor artifacts sitting in inventory, and a quantity of rewards from the ring of blood bosses (either from the actual ring or from having encountered them during casual encounters).

I tried to offer some boss rewards to the shrine, but got in return only some minor things (as in, only average/fair pieces of equipment); should i just sell them? Or there's something else to be done with them?
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post Dec 23 2014, 21:08
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QUOTE(Fucktard5000 @ Dec 23 2014, 13:53) *

I've been looking through the WTS and WTB to get a sense of the value of gear. So far, I'm really at a loss.
Can someone with more experience than I appraise my gear for me? And possibly explain why its price is what it is?
Note: since I got a lot of this stuff from the free shop, I'm not selling these. I just want to know their value to get something of a baseline.

Main weapons:
Main hand: Exquisite Shocking Axe of Slaughter
Offhand: Exquisite Ethereal Club of Balance

Alt weapon:
Superior Ethereal Estoc of Balance

Armor:
Exquisite Shade Helmet of the Fleet
Exquisite Ruby Leather Breastplate of Protection
Superior Leather Gauntlets of Protection
Superior Shade Leggings of the Fleet
Superior Leather Boots of Protection

Thank you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Honestly, most of those are worth like 2-4k in salvage/bazaar cost.

Why they're worth that much? Free shop killed the whole economy for low-mid level equipments.
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post Dec 23 2014, 21:27
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QUOTE(Fucktard5000 @ Dec 23 2014, 19:53) *

I've been looking through the WTS and WTB to get a sense of the value of gear. So far, I'm really at a loss.
Could someone with more experience than I appraise my gear for me? And possibly explain why its price is what it is?

personally i'd say that DW set is decent for self-use, but armors are a bit... erm... well, they may be better

QUOTE(Zaesha @ Dec 23 2014, 20:07) *

So, artifacts.

I have 7-8 precursor artifacts sitting in inventory, and a quantity of rewards from the ring of blood bosses (either from the actual ring or from having encountered them during casual encounters).

I tried to offer some boss rewards to the shrine, but got in return only some minor things (as in, only average/fair pieces of equipment); should i just sell them? Or there's something else to be done with them?

sell boss trophies to dani and shrine precursors; if you earn some energy drink and you don't use for yourself, they are quite worthy at WTB

QUOTE(watisthis @ Dec 23 2014, 20:08) *

Honestly, most of those are worth like 2-4k in salvage/bazaar cost.

Why they're worth that much? Free shop killed the whole economy for low-mid level equipments.

bazaar doesn't think like market built up by users, it's based more on PXP and a bit on stats rather than on prefixes, suffixes etc

and while it's true that we didn't expect all that success (so we may have done some mistakes), economy wouldn't be so wealthy even without FS. rather, it seems to me that it was already quite broken before; if you take a look at WTS section, basically only auctions and item corners are selling. feel free to prove me i'm wrong, i'd gladly implement some suggestions on my shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Dec 23 2014, 22:09
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Cost is high only for exclusive items. F.e. i got this shield for 10k.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9123561a3b

U can see its E grade and 1h style atm is op. It also has 31.86 base block and Max is 32.87 so its quite decent roll. It also has 3 PAB and wind mitg. So actually we can see many good reasons for price, but cost is only 10k. For something special it should have at least Emax block.

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post Dec 24 2014, 00:29
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Greetings

.... Experts !

While i have seen a lot of discussion going on in this thread .

it is my humble request if you could (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ....

give me an UNOFFICIAL guide tutorial to IWing

a. a picture of equipment showing which points are pxp points

b. how to achieve potency labeled at wiki like butcher overpower and other tiny details

any pre / post requisites regarding this

and which items to IW like ethereal weapons or normal prefix weapons and what should watch out for regarding
ethereal weapons since i am interested in those (void damage) .

Thanks and regards

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post Dec 24 2014, 01:10
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

give me an UNOFFICIAL guide tutorial to IWing

Wiki: http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Item_World

QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

a. a picture of equipment showing which points are pxp points

For example: Legendary Ruby Power Gauntlets of Warding
Heavy Armor_____Level 0____0 / 356 <- pxp points
The pxp is currently at 0. Here, you need 356 pxp points to level up the first time.

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b. how to achieve potency labeled at wiki like butcher overpower and other tiny details

When you level up the gear (by getting enough pxp through IW/forging), you get a potency level.
When the gear has no potency yet, it is picked at random from the set of potential potencies (for example, if you want a particular potency like Butcher, since there are 4 weapon potencies, you have a 25% chance to get it).
When the gear has one potency, there is 50% chance to get a new level of that potency.
When the gear has two different potencies, you have 75% chance to get a new level of an existing potency.

QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

any pre / post requisites regarding this

Pre: you have to level up the gear by clearing IW (duh).
Post: you may not get what you want on the first level(s), so you may want to reforge, which resets ALL of your potencies, with an amnesia shard. But it is rather costy (Amnesia Shards are worth 10k+ on the market). So it's not worth reforging if your weapon isn't worth much in the first place.

QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

and which items to IW like ethereal weapons or normal prefix weapons and what should watch out for regarding ethereal weapons since i am interested in those (void damage).

IW an ethereal, hallowed, or demonic weapon if you think it's worth it. Preferably of Exquisite quality or more. And a weapon you are interested in using in the first place.

You should maybe wait and level up some more so you can clear IW at IWBTH difficulty.
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post Dec 24 2014, 01:16
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QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

a. a picture of equipment showing which points are pxp points

no.6 on this image: 516 are needed to complete that level, while 219 are those available at that moment

(IMG:http://ehwiki.org/images/2/2f/Equipment.png)

QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

b. how to achieve potency labeled at wiki like butcher overpower and other tiny details

at the end of every run you will be awarded a certain number of PXP depending on the quality of the item and the difficulty level. whenever you should earn enough PXP to complete a level, a potency chosen at random will automatically be added to your gear. the difficulty of the quest should be the maximum you can afford to optimize the number of runs; if you aren't able to finish it, either lower the difficulty or wait until lv250 for 'better block' ability and other useful boosts like HP tank lv9.

QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

any pre / post requisites regarding this

useful potencies depends on the gear:
  • for 1H you should go for fatality (as first priority, imo) and butcher
  • for 2H and mainhand DW/niten you'd better go for fatality and overpower. butcher is acceptable too but not a priority
  • for offhand DW/niten it seems that everything except butcher is good enough, but not sure
  • for armors juggernaut is almost a priority. capacitor, holyproof, darkproof and fireproof are nice too

it's quite hard/expensive to earn the right combination of 2 (or even worst, 3) potencies, so you should stabilize a priority; remember that max number of potencies is 3 and once you unlock one, that one has higher chances to be further unlocked. in case you should not gain the desired potency, you'd better reset as soon as possible to spare amnesias (they are worth 10~15k each, and you need one for every level). a nice guide to follow is this one.

QUOTE(derp-z2 @ Dec 23 2014, 23:29) *

and which items to IW like ethereal weapons or normal prefix weapons and what should watch out for regarding
ethereal weapons since i am interested in those (void damage) .

in general, whatever gear you want to keep for a long period because either has good enough stats or you aren't able to find/buy a better one: this often includes for melees ethereal weapons but hallowed and demonic (or older astral ones) are nice to have too. it's quite unlikely you have such gears at lv200, but not impossible.
as a curiosity, usually mages don't fully IW their staffs because the last level wouldn't add anything to their playstyle. surely a weapon/staff without a second strike isn't worth the effort. sometimes you can also find ethereal weapons stopped at lv9 because you can't really know what strike your weapon will earn, so this way you'll use an infusion to have exactly what you want
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post Dec 24 2014, 11:26
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Is it just me..or do mobs get more accurate when your hp is in the red?
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post Dec 24 2014, 11:47
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QUOTE(Cinnac @ Dec 24 2014, 11:26) *

Is it just me..or do mobs get more accurate when your hp is in the red?


Nope you are right .For me at nightmare difficulty past level 150 i started to observe this and one hit kill trend when hp drops below 3000 . but since you are at level 300 + i can only imagine the UNFORGIVING environment you have to encounter and tame down by staring at it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .no disrespect intended cinnac (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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