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post Dec 23 2014, 10:30
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Dec 23 2014, 07:38) *

So I can finally go RE on PFUDOR without any problem, thank you VV hath perk. Now I am about to move on to Item World, but can anyone tell me of the minimal level needed to do IW?


Personally I would wait until you can do PFUDOR IW (that level of heavily forged gear), before you do. The benefit is pretty meh, especially for armor (unless you have the time and money for Jugg 5*5). If your armor isn't worth ~1 million spending amnesia shards is certainly not worth it.

QUOTE(kuro-chan @ Dec 23 2014, 07:44) *

...so i want to buy a shade armor...

Evade is the most important stat for light armor. But if you aren't forging, don't worry too much, whatever doesn't break the bank, and fits nicely into your setup.
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post Dec 23 2014, 11:06
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 02:55) *

I had 1 hp after turn 5, and couldn't use Cure at the time. So I decided to just kill the mobs and let Spark activate a second time (after double-checking that I had 459 spirit (about 130% of base) and plenty of mana (so Innate Arcana should've recast Spark).

Why didn't it?

just wondering, don't you use regen?
and disintegrate isn't an optimal choice to try the luck with ripened soul, try raise your prof until ragnarok becomes available. i have it, it doubles the chance of disintegrate at my level and still it gets resisted too much for my tastes...

QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Dec 23 2014, 06:38) *

So I can finally go RE on PFUDOR without any problem, thank you VV hath perk. Now I am about to move on to Item World, but can anyone tell me of the minimal level needed to do IW?

forget it until lv 265 or so, when both better block and decent upgrade for spirit shield become available (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
and even so, do it max on IWTBH, much less stress compared to PF and same PXP gained. if you're going with mage setup, i don't really know

QUOTE(kuro-chan @ Dec 23 2014, 06:44) *

so i want to buy a shade armor
which is should i choose?

A. +1 evade than B
B. +8 point STR and 0.7 MMI than A

i'd say A. the point in shades is to escape hits on top of all, so PMI is less useful than evade. 8 STR aren't that big thing either
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post Dec 23 2014, 11:17
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 23 2014, 17:06) *

just wondering, don't you use regen?
and disintegrate isn't an optimal choice to try the luck with ripened soul, try raise your prof until ragnarok becomes available. i have it, it doubles the chance of disintegrate at my level and still it gets resisted too much for my tastes...


Regen expired and I forgot to renew it :/

I don't think I'll get Ragnarok until level 245?

Say, are you playing a dark mage?
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post Dec 23 2014, 11:24
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 10:17) *

I don't think I'll get Ragnarok until level 245?

true enough. my bad. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 10:17) *

Say, are you playing a dark mage?

1H (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
other styles aren't as much berserker as this one, so...
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post Dec 23 2014, 11:35
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oh ok, thanks for the advice guys

but it's an mmax STR and MMI is it still okay to choose Evade over that?

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post Dec 23 2014, 11:54
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Dec 23 2014, 17:06) *

just wondering, don't you use regen?


So, I just died again cos I was left with 1 hp after Spark proc'ed.

But, this time I was sure that I had Regen (as well as Regeneration and Replenishment) active. I had plenty of magic and sufficient spirit, and still was left with 1 hp after turn 3. What's up with that?

Cure was on cooldown, and I had used up my health pots, so I was dead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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4    11    You have been defeated.
4    10    Your spike shield hits Onpu Segawa for 19 points of wind damage.
4    9    Onpu Segawa hits you for 95 slashing damage.
4    8    You gain 0.01 points of cloth armor proficiency.
4    7    Taneshima Popura evades your spell.
4    6    Corruption hits Saeki Kaori for 2679 dark damage (50% resisted)
4    5    Corruption hits Babylon 5 for 5728 dark damage
4    4    Micropiv has been defeated.
4    3    Corruption blasts Micropiv for 9147 dark damage
4    2    Corruption hits Maria Takayama for 7519 dark damage
4    1    You cast Corruption.
3    38    You gain the effect Spark of Life.
3    37    Your spike shield hits Micropiv for 19 points of wind damage.
3    36    Micropiv hits you for 188 piercing damage.
3    35    You evade the attack from Babylon 5.
3    34    Your spike shield hits Taneshima Popura for 42 points of wind damage.
3    33    Taneshima Popura crits you for 272 crushing damage.
3    32    Your spike shield hits Maria Takayama for 377 points of wind damage.
3    31    Maria Takayama uses lololo, and hits you for 1936 crushing damage
3    30    You gain the effect Cloak of the Fallen.
3    29    Your Spark of Life restores you from the brink of defeat.
3    28    You evade the attack from Saeki Kaori.
3    27    Your spike shield hits Charlotte Belew for 67 points of wind damage.
3    26    Charlotte Belew hits you for 438 piercing damage.
3    25    Teana Lanster 084 gains the effect Turbulent Air.
3    24    Your spike shield hits Teana Lanster 084 for 67 points of wind damage.
3    23    Teana Lanster 084 hits you for 508 piercing damage.
3    22    You evade the attack from Micropiv.
3    21    Your spike shield hits Babylon 5 for 339 points of wind damage.
3    20    Babylon 5 uses Defense Grid, and hits you for 3401 piercing damage
3    19    You gain 0.01 points of cloth armor proficiency.
3    18    Your spike shield hits Taneshima Popura for 122 points of wind damage.
3    17    Taneshima Popura hits you for 801 crushing damage.
3    16    Your spike shield hits Onpu Segawa for 5 points of wind damage.
3    15    You parry the attack from Onpu Segawa.
3    14    Micropiv gains the effect Ripened Soul.
3    13    Micropiv gains the effect Blunted Attack.
3    12    Corruption blasts Micropiv for 11339 dark damage
3    11    Maria Takayama gains the effect Ripened Soul.
3    10    Maria Takayama gains the effect Blunted Attack.
3    9    Corruption blasts Maria Takayama for 8407 dark damage
3    8    Apostol has been defeated.
3    7    Corruption hits Apostol for 8107 dark damage
3    6    Teana Lanster 084 gains the effect Coalesced Mana.
3    5    Teana Lanster 084 gains the effect Ripened Soul.
3    4    Teana Lanster 084 gains the effect Blunted Attack.
3    3    Corruption blasts Teana Lanster 084 for 13213 dark damage
3    2    Corruption hits Charlotte Belew for 9042 dark damage
3    1    You cast Corruption.
2    13    Ripened Soul hits Saeki Kaori for 873 damage.
2    12    Ripened Soul hits Babylon 5 for 873 damage.
2    11    Ripened Soul hits Apostol for 873 damage.
2    10    Replenishment restores 52 points of magic.
2    9    [b]Regeneration restores 336 points of health.
2    8    Regen restores 470 points of health.[/b]
2    7    You evade the attack from Saeki Kaori.
2    6    You evade the attack from Charlotte Belew.
2    5    Your spike shield hits Maria Takayama for 109 points of wind damage.
2    4    Maria Takayama hits you for 558 crushing damage.
2    3    You are healed for 4067 Health Points.
2    2    You gain 0.03 points of supportive magic proficiency.
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post Dec 23 2014, 12:04
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QUOTE(kuro-chan @ Dec 23 2014, 10:35) *

oh ok, thanks for the advice guys

but it's an mmax STR and MMI is it still okay to choose Evade over that?

these are the benefits of STR, directly from wiki:
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    Every point adds 0.5 to the Physical Crit Chance formula
    (1H only) Every 100 points raises Overwelming Strikes chance by 1%
    (1H only) Every 50 points raises Counter-Attack chance by 1%
    (2H/Niten only) Every 50 points raises Domino Strike chance by 1%

pretty negligible, especially if compared with DEX (which also adds parry and accuracy). note that "adding something to the physical damage formula" (which is logarithmic) means that sooner or later you will add one point (or less) rather than two.
also, all the stats which refer to style effects should be already saturated at your level, so yes, i'd still pick the upper evade one, especially if it has high AGI. if not really useful, it will still have higher value when you'll sell it

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 10:54) *

So, I just died again cos I was left with 1 hp after Spark proc'ed.

But, this time I was sure that I had Regen (as well as Regeneration and Replenishment) active. I had plenty of magic and sufficient spirit, and still was left with 1 hp after turn 3. What's up with that?

Cure was on cooldown, and I had used up my health pots, so I was dead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

uh, i play as melee so i may not give you right hints, but is there a particular reason because you go with mage (and dark, on top of it) at that level? mage becomes useful at lv310+, while lv 200+ is the best ground for 1H.
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post Dec 23 2014, 12:14
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Regen and other "over-time" effects like spell durations and potions tick every 100 time units. This does not typically work out to a tick every actual turn you take because you have speed modifiers like Haste, general cast speed, and individual spell cast speeds that either make you faster or slower than the "over-time" effects, occasionally resulting in one or two turns in a row where they don't fire.

When Spark of Life triggers and you're stuck at 1 HP, you actually have to pause and heal. Your safest bet is to cast Full-Cure when it becomes available because it's unlikely that you'll get one-shot from full health on the next turn; Cure alone might not restore enough HP unless you're a holy mage. Until then you have to make do with Cure and Health Potions.

EDIT: It's helpful to get a script like HV Minor Additions or HV Stat, which interrupt the game with dialogue boxes whenever Spark of Life triggers.

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post Dec 23 2014, 13:20
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Thanks. That explains why I sometimes end up with 1 hp after Spark triggers. Of course, there are also times that I forgot to re-cast Regen.
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post Dec 23 2014, 13:30
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 03:54) *


Cure was on cooldown, and I had used up my health pots, so I was dead (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


You could have used "defend", it would have recovered 10% of your base health (assuming you had more than 10% Overcharge), enough for SoL to activate again.
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post Dec 23 2014, 13:30
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The dark side isn't strong enough yet, my friend. Join 1H, the side with Power! You even have the OFC, so you might as well try. (I can lend you a basic starting set if you want.)

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post Dec 23 2014, 13:37
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The dark side isn't strong enough yet, my friend. Join 1H, the side with Power! You even have the OFC, so you might as well try. (I can lend you a basic starting set if you want.)

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post Dec 23 2014, 13:52
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I am already on it. XD Dan31 and Colman converted me from mage to 1H XD
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post Dec 23 2014, 13:58
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If I recall correctly, I think I had 6% OC, so it was futile (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Yeah, I seem to be struggling here. Must... persevere! Remember, Railgun said that melees are useless!

All I have to do is get to L 310 right?

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post Dec 23 2014, 14:07
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QUOTE(m118w11 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:30) *

Personally I would wait until you can do PFUDOR IW (that level of heavily forged gear), before you do. The benefit is pretty meh, especially for armor (unless you have the time and money for Jugg 5*5). If your armor isn't worth ~1 million spending amnesia shards is certainly not worth it.

Just curious, wouldn't it be more efficient running IWBTH IW due to the pxp multiplier cap at IWBTH? Or is the wiki outdated again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post Dec 23 2014, 14:21
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QUOTE(helno @ Dec 23 2014, 13:07) *

Just curious, wouldn't it be more efficient running IWBTH IW due to the pxp multiplier cap at IWBTH? Or is the wiki outdated again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I wasn't aware of that.

You should still get better drops and exp in PFUDOR though, so, your call. If you are using 1H, you might as well do the runs in PFUDOR.
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post Dec 23 2014, 14:31
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 12:58) *

If I recall correctly, I think I had 6% OC, so it was futile (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Yeah, I seem to be struggling here. Must... persevere! Remember, Railgun said that melees are useless!

All I have to do is get to L 310 right?

danixxx is lvl 500, so that's not exactly the same as a lvl 200...

Also, lvl 310 is very important for elemental mages, less so for Holy/Dark mages. Still useful though, since Imperil also reduces MMI.
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Dec 23 2014, 12:52) *

I am already on it. XD Dan31 and Colman converted me from mage to 1H XD

good girl! *.*

QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Dec 23 2014, 12:58) *

Yeah, I seem to be struggling here. Must... persevere! Remember, Railgun said that melees are useless!

All I have to do is get to L 310 right?

but scorpio said mages are useless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
and no, it isn't 'all' you have to do. it's only a first, yet big step

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QUOTE(helno @ Dec 23 2014, 13:07) *

Just curious, wouldn't it be more efficient running IWBTH IW due to the pxp multiplier cap at IWBTH? Or is the wiki outdated again (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I wasn't aware of that.

You should still get better drops and exp in PFUDOR though, so, your call. If you are using 1H, you might as well do the runs in PFUDOR.

item world isn't exactly renown for its drops (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
personally, comparing efforts and results i consider it better to go IW IW (especially if you're interested only in PXP), but really your call
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 23 2014, 20:31) *

danixxx is lvl 500, so that's not exactly the same as a lvl 200...

Also, lvl 310 is very important for elemental mages, less so for Holy/Dark mages. Still useful though, since Imperil also reduces MMI.

Lv400 is important for holy/dark due to the 4 turns T3 cooldown.
I switch back to mage @~lv395 btw.
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Dec 23 2014, 14:21) *

I wasn't aware of that.

You should still get better drops and exp in PFUDOR though, so, your call. If you are using 1H, you might as well do the runs in PFUDOR.


I guess you can still learn new things every now and then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

True in the sense that PFUDOR gives better drops and exp (albeit ever so slightly perhaps) but it at least allows one to do IW sooner if they can manage IWBTH difficulty.
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