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Avoidance is calculated Enemy Accuracy (which is at about 75%, IIRC), Evade, Block, Parry/Resist.

2 things to respond here:

1) Since Evade affects both magical and physical attacks, it's a far more desirable stat than Resist, so choosing to stick with Light armor for it's higher resist stat isn't a very sound strategy.

2) I recently spoke with Sonic and Tenboro about Enemy Accuracy. It's pretty much the same as player accuracy: it starts at 75% with 0 stats, and goes up the monsters' AGI and DEX increase, just like it does for us. So, you can make a pretty decent estimate for the accuracy of monsters at your level by figuring out what your own accuracy is without any bonuses from gear, auras, or Snowflake.

is that right time to fight on ring of blood i just reach 50

and which legendary monster good for fight first

2) I recently spoke with Sonic and Tenboro about Enemy Accuracy. It's pretty much the same as player accuracy: it starts at 75% with 0 stats, and goes up the monsters' AGI and DEX increase, just like it does for us. So, you can make a pretty decent estimate for the accuracy of monsters at your level by figuring out what your own accuracy is without any bonuses from gear, auras, or Snowflake.

While that is probably true, I'm pretty sure enemy stats scale at a slower rate than ours do. How they compare, I don't know, but if they did not, then things would not get easier.

is that right time to fight on ring of blood i just reach 50

and which legendary monster good for fight first

People have been successful in fighting bosses at level 50. Check the legendary thread for more info.

Question about the spells.

Currently, I have: Cure, Weaken, Poison, Slow and Haste.

I didn't put point into sleep, because I don't currently have enough.

I'm wondering, which of these spells are more useless than others, which could be left out, and AP spent on something else.

my experience for slow

i have slow but i just use for boss or mini boss

so its less used its also need 11mp




This post has been edited by loressan: Jan 30 2010, 21:01

I need some help here, just to clarify some things on my head.
I put a request here:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...mp;#entry605429

Now the reason that I request is this: I use 1HS with a rapier which have 19,70% ADM (less 13,22% than the club I referred above), but if I switch the rapier with the club maintaining the same set of Armour and shield, I can get more rounds with the rapier (probably it's because of PA)
Now facts:
-There are rapiers with more ADM than mine, so I don't think in terms of ADM it's the best around(or rare).
-This club was founded is the shop (I bought it, pre 4.0 I think), so there's axes with better ADM, since axes are the strongest 1H weapons.

If there's no club with better ADM than that, (without being extremely rare) then clubs from now on, don't worth nothing to me.
If there's no axe with better ADM than that, (without being extremely rare) then they only are worth it if they have a very good bleeding (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I'm surely it's missing something (rapiers cannot be that superior), so I really appreciate if someone explains.


PS:ADM = attack damage multiplier

(rapiers cannot be that superior)

Rapier ARE that superior (at least in every day use. The ability to kill gods with high bleed throws a wrench into that). Change that to rapiers SHOULD not be that superior, then I might agree with you.

Rapier ARE that superior (at least in every day use. The ability to kill gods with high bleed throws a wrench into that). Change that to rapiers SHOULD not be that superior, then I might agree with you.

Ok, now I get it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
In that case I'm gonna remove my request right now,
Thanks Boggyb (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Jan 30 2010, 22:20

Ok, now I get it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
In that case I'm gonna remove my request right now,
Thanks Boggyb (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You are going to completely base your game play on a comment I make? Yes, most people use Rapiers because PA is freaking awesome, but there are other strategies. Hell, as no one uses axes, you could probably get a very, very good one.

You are going to completely base your game play on a comment I make? Yes, most people use Rapiers because PA is freaking awesome, but there are other strategies. Hell, as no one uses axes, you could probably get a very, very good one.

I use an axe. Its my mainhand for DW and offhand for Ring fights. It gives me the damage component, while a rapier (only time I ever use one is DW) gives me the accuracy/defense component. Normally, I use a shortsword for 1HS since it gives me the best balance between damage, accuracy, and parry and it usually gives STR/DEX bonuses. PA is only as good as your chance to proc it, how long it lasts, and whether or not you can get a hit while its up.

You are going to completely base your game play on a comment I make? Yes, most people use Rapiers because PA is freaking awesome, but there are other strategies. Hell, as no one uses axes, you could probably get a very, very good one.

It's not only for your comment, it's also for what I see: For 1HS, I need a very very strong axe to be more affective than my rapier, which I'm not gonna get.(Looks like people still use axes, also I already have one with a decent bleed and Attack damage)

I use an axe. Its my mainhand for DW and offhand for Ring fights. It gives me the damage component, while a rapier (only time I ever use one is DW) gives me the accuracy/defense component. Normally, I use a shortsword for 1HS since it gives me the best balance between damage, accuracy, and parry and it usually gives STR/DEX bonuses. PA is only as good as your chance to proc it, how long it lasts, and whether or not you can get a hit while its up.

hum, just give me a few ideas here for DW to try (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (I have a Fine Sword Chucks with +7.13 STR) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I already tried using my club as mainhand/offhand with a rapier but the damage component didn't compensate the loss of parry, so I toss it and trade for a dagger with the strongest damage component and as much parry possible, which made a better result.
Shortswords... nah, I'm not a very good fan of these.

It's not only for your comment, it's also for what I see: For 1HS, I need a very very strong axe to be more affective than my rapier, which I'm not gonna get.(Looks like people still use axes, also I already have one with a decent bleed and Attack damage)
hum, just give me a few ideas here for DW to try (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) (I have a Fine Sword Chucks with +7.13 STR) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I already tried using my club as mainhand/offhand with a rapier but the damage component didn't compensate the loss of parry, so I toss it and trade for a dagger with the strongest damage component and as much parry possible, which made a better result.
Shortswords... nah, I'm not a very good fan of these.

My normal set-up (and high Arena set-up) is Balance Rapier + Cheetah Dagger DW. I get high accuracy and parry from this set-up plus 117 bleed, 3 turn PA and +1.3 Action Speed. As I level-up the bonuses will only get better. These are the weapons I used in the Ring of Blood and Endgame.

Also, I have encountered Boss in Item World using various different weapons -- Staff+Magic, Longsword, and 1H+S -- and the Rapier+Dagger kills them much faster then the other weapons.

While that is probably true, I'm pretty sure enemy stats scale at a slower rate than ours do. How they compare, I don't know, but if they did not, then things would not get easier.

Don't forget that monsters don't get auras, equipment, titles, hath perks, or stat bonuses from turning in artifacts. I'm currently getting a total bonus of +99 primary stats, as well as +4% physical damage, +10% physical accuracy, +5% evade, +6 physical absorb, +4 magical absorb, +6% magic damage, +15% magic accuracy, +10% HP and MP, +100% regen, 30% reduced mana cost on my auto-cast spells, and all the direct bonuses that my equipment provides.

That's an enormous advantage that I'm gaining which monsters cannot get. I would also guess that enemy stats rise slower with their levels than ours do, but likely not all that much slower.

PA is only as good as your chance to proc it, [and] how long it lasts...

That's true of every proc.

I'd have to say that PA is by far the best proc (except maybe for extremely high bleed axes). Here's why:

1) Stun is worthless. It provides no bonus damage, so all it does is very slightly reduce the incoming damage you take. However, that's made up for by the additional time it takes you to kill the stunned monster (since you get no bonus damage), during which time the other monsters get to attack you more.

2) When combined with Slow, PA gets significantly better, while bleed gets worse. PA gets better because it only ticks down when the monster takes its own turn, which happens less often in relation to your own attacks. Since the bleed only ticks when a monster takes a turn, and even then only after the monster takes its turn, slowing the monster's turns means the bleed deals damage more slowly.

3) PA affects both Physical and Magical attacks. It makes a large enough difference on magical attacks as to enable the PA+Spell style for bosses, where spells would otherwise be nearly worthless. It also makes Poison strong enough to have a meaningful damage component.

4) A long PA proc is better than a long bleed proc. If you have a high chance to proc a long bleed, you're likely to continually re-proc the bleed before the previous proc has worn off, which means you've lost some of your bleed damage. Re-procing PA while it's still up doesn't suffer from that problem, because all the bonus damage you gain from it is from your actual attack hits.

3) PA affects both Physical and Magical attacks. It makes a large enough difference on magical attacks as to enable the PA+Spell style for bosses, where spells would otherwise be nearly worthless. It also makes Poison strong enough to have a meaningful damage component.

And this is why I use DW with Dual Rapiers rather than Niten which does a lot more damage in general.

My normal set-up (and high Arena set-up) is Balance Rapier + Cheetah Dagger DW. I get high accuracy and parry from this set-up plus 117 bleed, 3 turn PA and +1.3 Action Speed. As I level-up the bonuses will only get better. These are the weapons I used in the Ring of Blood and Endgame.

Also, I have encountered Boss in Item World using various different weapons -- Staff+Magic, Longsword, and 1H+S -- and the Rapier+Dagger kills them much faster then the other weapons.

yes, Boss in IW are killed faster with Rapier+Dagger then the other weapons, but I still found my usual 1HS set (rapier+shield) better, and the reason it's simple: It's an high block shield, and I have a low AGI.
Since I'm raising AGI, tomorrow I'll try with full high evasion silk to see if finally my 2W gets better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

There's a reason why with rapiers we do more damage than the others:
Were too low level, and that makes the difference of damage component between then (rapiers vs others) too little, making PA an huge decisive difference.
More we level up, the difference of damage component gets bigger, making PA a less decisive difference (because it's only when procs), so probably at level 200 rapiers are less effective than others 1H (I mean equal)
Of course it still depends on the configuration of the player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

There's a reason why with rapiers we do more damage than the others:
Were too low level, and that makes the difference of damage component between then (rapiers vs others) too little, making PA an huge decisive difference.
More we level up, the difference of damage component gets bigger, making PA a less decisive difference (because it's only when procs), so probably at level 200 rapiers are less effective than others 1H (I mean equal)
Of course it still depends on the configuration of the player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

The difference in damage between my DW setup and Niten is 21%. I'm not sure it is going to be that much of a difference at level 200. Maybe the difference is 30%? Even if it was 40%, Rapiers would still be better because that +40% difference does not ACTUALLY come out to 40% more damage.

The difference in damage between my DW setup and Niten is 21%. I'm not sure it is going to be that much of a difference at level 200. Maybe the difference is 30%? Even if it was 40%, Rapiers would still be better because that +40% difference does not ACTUALLY come out to 40% more damage.

Well, I don't known, it is just my opinion, but I believe cmal can answer better (after all he said earlier that he use an axe as main-hand)

Now, I only talked about the damage component (yes +40% difference does not ACTUALLY come out to 40% more damage), but don't forget that rapiers don't give STR points only DEX, but axes give STR and DEX, so a configuration with axe will result in an higher attack/shield rating (and it gets higher as you level up), on the other side axes don't have parry making a less defensive setup.


look at this example with the same dagger as offhand:(same armour as well)
1 rapier(+1,08 DEX) 25% 2-turn 1 club(+1,44 STR)
+43 attack damage +52,8 attack damage
+53 hit chance +48 hit chance
+25,3 parry +18,5 parry
192 attack/shield rating 193 attack/shield rating
do:
without->250dm ->~350dm
with PA->~700dm

4 turns will do 250+700+700+250=1900 4 turns will do 350x4=1400

That's why in my actual set having a rapier in my main-hand is much better than with my club.
BUT
clubs and axes only differs on is procs so lets see this example case:(it's only a fake axe)
1 axe(+2,5 STR, 1DEX) (having 2-turns with 25% change of 114 bleed)
+52,8 attack damage
+48 hit chance
+18,5 parry
bleed damage = 160 with my proficiency
195 attack/, 194 shield rating
do probably:
->~375dm (I believe it was what I could get)

4 turns will do:375+(375+bleed)+(375+bleed)+375=1500+2xbleed=1820
which is close to 1900 from the rapier setup.

I don't have this axe, but is totally possible to exist, and if you level up you can do much damage with the axe than the rapier in this config.
(more proficiency = more bleed damage, +STR and +attack damage= more damage)

This is probably the poorest example that someone ever posted in here, but you can get the idea (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Feb 1 2010, 03:14

Sorry to interrupt this awesome equip discussion with a noob question...

From wiki: "If you use the Healer frequently, you will occasionally receive healing items when you pay for healing."

I used the healer for 10x straight, and didn't receive anything. Is there a minimum credit you need to spend for a chance to receive something? Some rule against spam unequip and equip to lose a little health and spend only 1 credit at Healer?

Sorry to interrupt this awesome equip discussion with a noob question...

From wiki: "If you use the Healer frequently, you will occasionally receive healing items when you pay for healing."

I used the healer for 10x straight, and didn't receive anything. Is there a minimum credit you need to spend for a chance to receive something? Some rule against spam unequip and equip to lose a little health and spend only 1 credit at Healer?

Its based on credits spent, not frequency. Using a token counts towards Healer items, as well.

Back when I first got "Cure", it costed 6 MP. Then it went up to 7, 8 and now 9.

Is there a reason for this?