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post Nov 17 2014, 18:57
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 17 2014, 16:51) *

I did quite big work and maybe it ll be useful for other players. Nothing special for high levels, but this thread also read many low level players.

So i was concerned about good phys/magical defense ratio, so i saved few tens of logs from combat and find a bit more than 300 attacks. I have 54% phys and 50% magical, also 28% piercing, 23 crushing and almost 27% slashing mitg. As i remember it looks like fulldamage*(1-defense)*(1-spec.mitg). So not so hard to count for other equip. I did x12 about 25 rounds run in arena. Probably ll be difference in other levels, difficulte modes or something else.

My first reaction was...wait, what? only 30 magical attacks? So, actually more than 80% attacks is physical. But some of that is quite powerful. Mostly it was near 300 and wind+fire, but i also got 1 fire attack for 1200, 2 wind attacks for 1800-2300 and 1 holy for 3500. Yeah, definitely last one was big and in combo can oneshot me. But overall damage was only 17k and average damage 570.

160 piercing attacks was the most frequently. Overall damage is 69k and average is 430. Some of em was 1300-2100, but mostly its near 250-300 also. Actually without 28% mitg it could be almost 3k and only 1 holy attack was bigger.
125 crusing. Quite often too. And i had only 23% mitg, so i expected bigger average damage. Overall was 68k and average 540. And one of em was 3410. Probably quite powerful ability and u can see i had some mitg, so without it i d get 4500.
55 slasing attacks. A bit rare, also only 18k overall damage and only 330 average.

So we can see magical damage could be powerful, but at the same time its quite rare and weak. Only 10% of overall damage was magical. Crushing damage is dangerous and piercing damage is quite often, so i should max this 2. Slashing damage is rate and weak at the same time, i got only 1 attack for 1800 and its nothing.

yep. surely physical attacks are more frequent than magical: mobs are the only way to bring players items like bindings and special components, so many people have interest in developing them.
the choice about which class to rely on varies with time, but some time ago there was a big diffusion of physical, heavy monsters like giants/dragonkins (which rely on heavy armors' weakness, crushing) and arthropods (which rely on shade armors' weakness, piercing). all of them have high levels of stamina, so it takes some hits to kill them, btw.
recently it has been discovered that celestials are quite strong too, because of their special attacks (magical void): they don't have high stamina but if you see one of them it's better to take care of it while you still can. high-level elementals can unleash powerful attacks too. also, consider that every magical attack relies on another big weakness of heavy users, which is resist: a magical attack can be mitigated as much as you want, but has a bigger chance to land if compared to a physical attack.

did i forget something?
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post Nov 17 2014, 18:58
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What should I do to increase my damage?
I have this weapon and about 3.2t damage on 233lvl in warrior-build (heavy armor at all). I didn't find anything except hath perk to boost my dmg. The weapon has already been upgraded to 10lvl.
Can do I do something to have more dmg-stat without respec to mage/rogue build? I really love warriors...

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post Nov 17 2014, 19:02
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QUOTE(lessfull @ Nov 17 2014, 17:58) *

What should I do to increase my damage?
I have this weapon and about 3.2t damage on 233lvl in warrior-build (heavy armor at all). I didn't find anything except hath perk to boost my dmg. The weapon has already been upgraded to 10lvl.
Can do I do something to have more dmg-stat without respec to mage/rogue build? I really love warriors...

Stats [www5.zippyshare.com] I have

1h + shield is the way, especially if you already have a power armor set - which seems your case, judging by your burden: buy a force shield (EMax block to begin is good enough) and a rapier (to start shortsword is cheaper and acceptable too) and slaught'em all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
at lv250 (which is pretty close) you'll unlock 'better block' ability, so it will be even better

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post Nov 17 2014, 19:04
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QUOTE(lessfull @ Nov 17 2014, 16:58) *

What should I do to increase my damage?
I have this weapon and about 3.2t damage on 233lvl in warrior-build (heavy armor at all). I didn't find anything except hath perk to boost my dmg. The weapon has already been upgraded to 10lvl.
Can do I do something to have more dmg-stat without respec to mage/rogue build? I really love warriors...

Stats [www5.zippyshare.com] I have


At your level, a nice weapon is everything.

Find a better weapon, a mag+ with 3 pab.

Or try one-hand, it may be stronger than two-hand.
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post Nov 17 2014, 19:37
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How to find it? Seems i need scan em all for that. I just click em in 1-10 order (with 2h i started from 4 for max range +-3). is it bad?
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post Nov 17 2014, 19:50
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 17 2014, 18:37) *

How to find it? Seems i need scan em all for that. I just click em in 1-10 order (with 2h i started from 4 for max range +-3). is it bad?

you can check [hvlist.niblseed.com] jenga's monster database. for example, [hvlist.niblseed.com] this is the query for all active celestials, sorted by descending powerlevel (which means the strongest ones are on the top)
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post Nov 17 2014, 19:57
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did i forget something?

You forgot to say that everyone avoid slashing for their monsters as no armor has a specific weakness to it (light armor's is pierce, heavy armor's is crush).
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post Nov 17 2014, 20:35
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You forgot to say that everyone avoid slashing for their monsters as no armor has a specific weakness to it (light armor's is pierce, heavy armor's is crush).

oh, right. and also because there aren't many powerful mobs which use it. but every now and then i see one special slashing skill...

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post Nov 17 2014, 21:26
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i got spirit shield. Should i use it instead spark?
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post Nov 17 2014, 21:34
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 17 2014, 20:26) *

i got spirit shield. Should i use it instead spark?

at your level it's still a bit weak and, unless you frequently play at high levels you won't see it trigger so often. you can still use it in conjunction with spark to have another layer of defense, but it will completely remove spark after lv240 or so, when it will be required a lower amount of damage to activate it

[edit]: oh, and do the trio and tree arena at normal difficulty as soon as you can, nice first clear bonus, a token and godslayer rank (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Nov 17 2014, 21:48
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 18 2014, 02:37) *

How to find it? Seems i need scan em all for that. I just click em in 1-10 order (with 2h i started from 4 for max range +-3). is it bad?

Didn't care much about normal mobs until recently, I realized that some certain mobs deal 2x higher damages to me than other. If you're at lv 250, kill "In memory of dark mage" series first (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (1H hev)
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post Nov 17 2014, 21:50
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I wanted to clear it on hell.
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 18 2014, 04:50) *

I wanted to clear it on hell.

Careful planning is the key (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) , we mostly died in long arenas because we run out of MP, SP (or patience (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif))
So train Packrat, to deal with arena, one extra MP pot give fuel for 10-20 more rounds.
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post Nov 17 2014, 22:08
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I got full item set few days ago (anyway i have to buy it and i had gold, so why not so spend it earlier and increase exp gain), so i still have near 3 pots after 90 rounds.

But i spend stamina, so gonna wait a bit for x2 exp.

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QUOTE(lessfull @ Nov 17 2014, 17:58) *

What should I do to increase my damage?
I have this weapon and about 3.2t damage on 233lvl in warrior-build (heavy armor at all). I didn't find anything except hath perk to boost my dmg. The weapon has already been upgraded to 10lvl.
Can do I do something to have more dmg-stat without respec to mage/rogue build? I really love warriors...

Stats [www5.zippyshare.com] I have

p.s. Forge with materials or auction is too expensive for me

Heartseeker and Spirit Stance is your friend, and i don't know about others, but a domino strike i found better then stun. So a longsword or katana if you want to play 2H. And for me, sometimes Bleeding Wounds does more damage then my actual attack, 1.5 more (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Nov 17 2014, 22:12
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Stun is safe mode. And actually 2h has not so good defense (i played it with light armor) so to get additional damage immune is nice stuff. I have 2 weapons for that. 1 with good damage for fast clear and 1 with good chance to stun.
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post Nov 17 2014, 22:19
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I upgraded and iw-d a vampire longsword and power armors, except for 1 thrice-blessed and used it for years without any major problems, only when upgrades came i needed to adjust my playing style a bit. Now i'm tempted to change for nitten and shade, so i'm now iw my selected shades (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Less attack damage, but the bonuses that nitten gives are killer.
I had equioment iw-d with multiple elemental resistance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 17 2014, 23:26
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I didnt expect that) They can heal themselves. So i was attacking, than boom, again full hp...what? Attacked again, boom, again. So i checkhed chat, casted sleep and only after that killed em.
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 17 2014, 22:26) *

I didnt expect that) They can heal themselves. So i was attacking, than boom, again full hp...what? Attacked again, boom, again. So i checkhed chat, casted sleep and only after that killed em.

don't say i didn't tell you to do it on normal for the first clear bonus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

the heal ability is the SP attack of yggdrasil: it doesn't do anything except than heal the goddesses (or all the gods in TT&T) and absorb all spells. usually people prefer to kill it, and then going for the goddesses, but doing so will trigger a secondary effect on them. another viable way is to keep the tree always silenced and kill it as the last mob, but this way your spells will be absorbed.

sources here (composition of rounds), here (infos about goddesses) and here (infos about procs)
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post Nov 18 2014, 08:04
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Hi there! I have couple of questions :>
1) Is it worthy to leveling my gear like superior-exquisite type in item world?
2) Now I'm DW+Shade and spamming IW-grindfest+random encounters on Battletoads(IW rapes me :<). Am I doing it right? Or there is better way and I should change gear/stats.
[www74.zippyshare.com] http://www74.zippyshare.com/v/72335556/file.html
3) When I should start to care about better gear+heavy upgrades? Now or 200>?

Thanks!
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