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Feb 13 2011, 16:41
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KamuiSeph
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Ok, I need some feedback guys, I've just turned mage at lvl 135. I'm now at 138 and I'm still not sure if I'm doing everything right. So if it's not too much of a bother, look through my stats and any advice will be met with karma and cake* Here are my stats: [ img834.imageshack.us] Stat PicI'm currently in the process of maxing out my staff and elemental prof. After that I'll tackle Dep/Supp/Cur and finally I'll raise holy (eventually I'll need it against bosses I figure) These are my abilities: [ img19.imageshack.us] Ability PicI hear Poison has been nerfed, or something? So I got rid of that and I also invested some points in Holy (will get the ratings up when I have AP to spare as well) And this is my equip: Fine Ebony Staff of DestructionAverage Gossamer Cap of The ElementalistFine Silk Robe of The RaccoonAverage Gossamer Gloves of The ElementalistAverage Gossamer Pants of The ElementalistAverage Gossamer Shoes of The ElementalistHaven't gotten a decent Elementalist robe yet, so I'm sticking with my best silk robe for the moment. This is how it looks for me: [ img40.imageshack.us] Equip Stat PicIt's pretty ok, I think. I've got some decent equip I think. My auras: [ img140.imageshack.us] Aura PicAlso, I have Haste and Shadow Veil set on Innate arcana and for now I use shield scrolls, saving up for IA upgrade atm. I figure I'm doing pretty good (at least better than I was when I was meleeing, but still I've got some gripes about it. When I'm on harder difficulties (IWBTH or BT most prominently) I lose HP so fast, that not even my Haste+SV+Shield+Regen can keep up with the damage. And I don't mean it drains away slowly, I mean I have to use Cure II every 5-10 turns ffs. I run out of mana and pots so fast it's not even funny. And Ether theft rarely works. It's at 36% - 2 turns on paper, but I find myself whaling at a mob for 5+ times and eventually losing CM altogether, recasting a spell, repeat ad infinitum. I don't know, just a few gripes, nothing major. Perhaps I'm still doing something wrong? Oh, almost forgot. For reference, this is how I'm doing right now: [ img823.imageshack.us] Arena Pic(*there is no cake) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) I know, right? This post has been edited by (Cheater) KamuiSeph: Feb 13 2011, 16:43
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Feb 13 2011, 16:52
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hgbdd
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You should had choose the elec tier instead holy first. you only need for the girls and FSM. T-storm+inferno to max dmg. Get spark instead of haste. (haste as no effect in 1-shot rounds btw) And good lord, you have staff prof higher than elemental (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) This post has been edited by cmdct: Feb 13 2011, 16:53
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Feb 13 2011, 16:55
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KamuiSeph
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Feb 13 2011, 16:52)  You should had choose the elec tier instead holy first. you only need for the girls and FSM. T-storm+inferno to max dmg. Get spark instead of haste. (haste as no effect in 1-shot rounds btw) And good lord, you have staff prof higher than elemental (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Thanks for that, didn't know about the haste+1 shot rounds o_o' And yes, I first leveled up staff prof by hitting the shit out of everything with a high attack dmg staff. And now as it's pretty damn high, I'm leveling elemental prof xD P.s. Karma and cake* is yours. This post has been edited by (Cheater) KamuiSeph: Feb 13 2011, 16:58
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Feb 13 2011, 17:03
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hyl
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QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Feb 13 2011, 15:41)  Here are my stats: [ img834.imageshack.us] Stat PicI'm currently in the process of maxing out my staff and elemental prof. After that I'll tackle Dep/Supp/Cur and finally I'll raise holy (eventually I'll need it against bosses I figure) Probably a little too balanced stats , either you were starting out quite late as a mage or you are investing too much in the other stats like str and dex. edit: probably somewhere after lvl 133, so fairly late Your int is not that high, focus on that for now. With enough int and some wis, you will do more damage, have better magic accuracy and a decent mp regain. Raising some curative proficiencies might help you because regen 2 will heal more and last longer QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Feb 13 2011, 15:41)  These are my abilities: [ img19.imageshack.us] Ability PicI hear Poison has been nerfed, or something? So I got rid of that and I also invested some points in Holy (will get the ratings up when I have AP to spare as well) Don't get rid of poison, you still need it to slowdown the mp/sp regen of stronger monsters and with the right gear poison can still deal decent damage. As cmdct pointed out, you don't need holy untill you have another elemental spell to backup your fire spells Your exp boosts are nice, but it takes away lot's of important spells QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Feb 13 2011, 15:41)  the robe is probably one of the better gear , because it has the highest stats of all the armours. Most of your gear seems to have fairly low PAB's and average Profs, so try to fnd better gear (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) your staff has probably ok mdm for your level, but the EDB's are bad for your spells QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Feb 13 2011, 15:41)  My auras: [ img140.imageshack.us] Aura PicIndigo aura for the int and mdm boost QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Feb 13 2011, 15:41)  I figure I'm doing pretty good (at least better than I was when I was meleeing, but still I've got some gripes about it. When I'm on harder difficulties (IWBTH or BT most prominently) I lose HP so fast, that not even my Haste+SV+Shield+Regen can keep up with the damage. And I don't mean it drains away slowly, I mean I have to use Cure II every 5-10 turns ffs. I run out of mana and pots so fast it's not even funny. And Ether theft rarely works. It's at 36% - 2 turns on paper, but I find myself whaling at a mob for 5+ times and eventually losing CM altogether, recasting a spell, repeat ad infinitum.
debuff the monsters more in the higher difficulties, example slowing them down while being hasted yourself means that you can survive them much longer. Also spark of life is a must on those difficulties This post has been edited by hyl: Feb 13 2011, 17:25
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Feb 13 2011, 17:28
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KamuiSeph
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QUOTE(hyl @ Feb 13 2011, 17:03)  Probably a little too balanced stats , either you were starting out quite late as a mage or you are investing too much in the other stats like str and dex. edit: probably somewhere after lvl 133, so fairly late Your int is not that high, focus on that for now. With enough int and some wis, you will do more damage, have better magic accuracy and a decent mp regain. Don't get rid of poison, you still need it to slowdown the mp/sp regen of stronger monsters and with the right gear poison can still deal decent damage. As cmdct pointed out, you don't need holy untill you have another elemental spell to backup your fire spells Your exp boosts are nice, but it takes away lot's of important spells the robe is probably one of the better gear , because it has the highest stats of all the armours. Most of your gear seems to have fairly low PAB's and average Profs, so try to fnd better gear (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) your staff has probably ok mdm for your level, but the EDB's are bad for your spells Indigo aura for the int and mdm boost debuff the monsters more in the higher difficulties, example slowing them down while being hasted yourself means that you can survive them much longer. Also spark of life is a must on those difficulties Yeah, started out at 135 as a mage. I like my exp boosts xD I can go through a exquisite item in IW for 100lvls and get 300k+ exp (that's about 1/3 of a level up for me atm) leveling up is pretty much top priority for me now. More levels - more stats - more AP's - more spells - more arenas - MOAR everythang. I'm having a hard time finding any decent physical absorbtion+elementalist gears. It's usually either one or the other. It's not like I'm "fuck this high absorption bonus and decent elemental stats, GIVE ME THE CRAPPY GEAR!" It's usually either not here at all, or it's bought up at the auctions waaay above my pay grade. But yeah, I am trying to find better gear xD Same with staffs, hard suckers to come by. Slow huh? haven't tried that yet... I'll see where it goes xD Thanks for teh advice, I'll give you some karma as soon as I regenerate. And also some cake*
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Feb 13 2011, 17:49
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Eutopia
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QUOTE((Cheater) KamuiSeph @ Feb 13 2011, 16:28)  Yeah, started out at 135 as a mage. I like my exp boosts xD I can go through a exquisite item in IW for 100lvls and get 300k+ exp (that's about 1/3 of a level up for me atm) leveling up is pretty much top priority for me now. More levels - more stats - more AP's - more spells - more arenas - MOAR everythang.
I'm having a hard time finding any decent physical absorbtion+elementalist gears. It's usually either one or the other. It's not like I'm "fuck this high absorption bonus and decent elemental stats, GIVE ME THE CRAPPY GEAR!" It's usually either not here at all, or it's bought up at the auctions waaay above my pay grade. But yeah, I am trying to find better gear xD
Same with staffs, hard suckers to come by.
Slow huh? haven't tried that yet... I'll see where it goes xD
Thanks for teh advice, I'll give you some karma as soon as I regenerate. And also some cake*
You are better off making a wtb, then trying to buy stuff in wts since the stuff there are alot more expensive, some ppl even give stuff for free in wtb since they cant sell it for a decent prize anway.
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Feb 13 2011, 17:52
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KamuiSeph
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QUOTE(Eutopia @ Feb 13 2011, 17:49)  You are better off making a wtb, then trying to buy stuff in wts since the stuff there are alot more expensive, some ppl even give stuff for free in wtb since they cant sell it for a decent prize anway.
I'll try that xD
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Feb 13 2011, 18:44
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lightshader
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Hello, I just recently hit level 50 (and then 51 in less than 24 hours afterwards), and now I can do RoB if I want to. Buit this has given me a pause because I'm not sure of what I'm really doing as I seem to be alternating between melee (which is something that I'm used to) and maging (which I think is better way to level and farm for items. So could you guys give me some advice on what I should be doing for both. Here is my current [ i795.photobucket.com] stats. Early on, I focused on str/dex/agi for melee, but then around level 30-ish, I pumped more into int and wis, but now I'm focusing on dex and agi so I could hit monsters more often (I had around 80-85% accuracy), although I'm not sure why I'm going for agi as well. Usually in other games I play, agi boosts your flee, but I think it's the equipments that does that. I've been trying to figure out how to get link for my equipments directly so I could post them here, but no such luck so for now I'll post the screenshot of my melee [ i795.photobucket.com] equipments. I've been religiously trying to keep my burden below 20 for long time (that's why one of my equips is a phase), but lately I've been thinking that surely having a burden over 20 by a couple of digits wouldn't be much of a harm. At what point does having higher burden become a issue? Would it be all right if I used shield armor for body (in addition to shield), and the rest of body armor being a mix of cloth and light? Or what armors should I really be looking for as melee type? My favorite weapon is rapier, due to its PA, although I recently gave 2h a try and it's nice to have domino effect triggering the procs for bleeding, but I still prefer having a shield... Should I consider trying at dual-wielding? And what's the benefit of having heavy armor (aside from the shield class equipments)? I find it hard to justify them due to their high burden and interference. As for maging, my equipments are [ i795.photobucket.com] here. Wish I could display my staff stats, because I think they're really nice at my current level, even if it has only 24% CM proc rate. Getting ET to proc, though is usually a challenge because of my high str, as I usually end up killing the monsters before I can get it to trigger once I have CM going. Now for my abilities [ i795.photobucket.com] here... I've invested heavily into thunder spells, HP and SP pools, while dipping into some supportive and deprecating spells here and there. Right now, I still have 14 AP remaining so I'm not sure what I should spend them on. I want more AP, but they're now costing me almost 5k credits in trainer (still cheaper than trying to get AP from artifacts, though, I suppose). (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif) Finally, my training tree [ i795.photobucket.com] here. I'm currently training in Quartermaster, although that might be the last of item drop training I'll be doing for some time as they're getting bit pricier. I'm holding off on getting more experience boosts (whether via training or abilities) so I can focus on raising my proficiency on staff and spells. I do plan to get extra Aura slot maybe around level 60 (I have gold aura as well). I'm not too sure what Power Regen and Power Tank does, and should I invest couple of levels into them? I think that's everything covered now. As soon as I find out how to get my equipment information for linking, I'll add them so they can evaluated as whether I'm doing good, or should invest in better gears. I can go about 70-80 rounds in cake IW as mage, but only about 30 rounds as melee (which, oddly enough, is also same for normal level IW melee). I stumbled across a legendary in IW once, but it wasn't that much of a problem (except I didn't have any spirit regen items) so I did measly 1 spirit damage. In Arenas, I can do first 4 in hard level, but have to do the next 3 levels in normal - and that's all without item usage. I can't go any further than that because I always run out of mana, and I'm stingy in conservation of items I bring. How should I really be doing arenas as I see so many of you players clearing multiple arenas without any problem and racking in drops? I take advantage of montage daily to raise my spell proficiencies (particularly for holy as I never use it, but I know that there's advantage in having holy spells in future). Any advice on how I should be doing for both melee and mage would be greatly appreciated.
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Feb 13 2011, 18:54
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PommyN64
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QUOTE(lightshader @ Feb 13 2011, 11:44)  And what's the benefit of having heavy armor (aside from the shield class equipments)? I find it hard to justify them due to their high burden and interference.
The idea is that since you'll be doing IWs on Cake or Easy difficulty, the monsters will be significantly weaker, especially if you do it in Crude/Fair/etc items. Despite the fact that Heavy Armor has high burden, it also has a higher Absorb, and the idea is that even if 8-9 monsters are all hitting you at the same time - or even twice per turn, that Armor with 12-15 Absorb (for example) will make all their 8-9 damage attacks hit for 0 instead, so it doesn't matter how slowly you move anyway. Theoretically it's less efficient, but on paper and in reality taking 0 damage from 8-16 attacks per turn is still better than taking 10-30 damage from 4-8 attacks per turn. QUOTE I think that's everything covered now. As soon as I find out how to get my equipment information for linking, I'll add them so they can evaluated as whether I'm doing good, or should invest in better gears. Hover over an item so its stats appear, then press "c" to open a popup window that you can save. You can compile several onto an MSPaint file if you want to conserve space. QUOTE I can go about 70-80 rounds in cake IW as mage, but only about 30 rounds as melee (which, oddly enough, is also same for normal level IW melee). I stumbled across a legendary in IW once, but it wasn't that much of a problem (except I didn't have any spirit regen items) so I did measly 1 spirit damage. What quality of equipment are you doing this in? I just got out of a Fine Shield on cake, and even despite being pure Melee I lasted about 118 rounds before being stupid and overdoing it (not potting when I should have). Again, that might be due to difference in our equips if you haven't fully slated heavy armor yet, but especially on Cake I think you should be able to get a bit further than that. QUOTE I've been religiously trying to keep my burden below 20 for long time (that's why one of my equips is a phase), but lately I've been thinking that surely having a burden over 20 by a couple of digits wouldn't be much of a harm. It might interest you to know that it was recently found out that the Burden penalty is really only HALF of however much you're over 20. Thus, if you have 40 Burden for example, the 20 points over means you lose only 10 Action Speed. Personal experimentation has confirmed this on my end as well. QUOTE I'm not too sure what Power Regen and Power Tank does, and should I invest couple of levels into them? Both of those relate to your Forum power (the bar underneath that lets you imbue other users with Karma). If you're trying to focus on a purely HV-centered battle plan, it's not going to do anything special for you, if at all. This post has been edited by PommyN64: Feb 13 2011, 19:05
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Feb 13 2011, 20:51
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lightshader
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Oh thanks! Here's my equipments: Melee equipments RapierShield Cap BodyHands Legging Feet As for my mage equipments, they're same as the ones I use for melee, except instead of rapier and shield, I'm using the Fine Oak Staff of the Earth-Walker and Average Gossamer Pants of the Owl instead. For their stats, here's my melee equip [ i795.photobucket.com] stats and my mage's staff & pants [ i795.photobucket.com] statsAs for the IW, I've been going into this Fair Prism Dagger of Slaughter, and I forgot to mention that I don't use items here either. The only times I ever use items is when I run into rare monsters or am in pinch at the very last levels of arenas at higher difficulity levels. So either high PA gear or heavy armor would be fine for cake/easy IWs, right? What about arenas on normal levels? This post has been edited by lightshader: Feb 13 2011, 21:03
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Feb 13 2011, 22:30
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PommyN64
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QUOTE(lightshader @ Feb 13 2011, 13:51)  Oh thanks! Here's my equipments: So either high PA gear or heavy armor would be fine for cake/easy IWs, right? What about arenas on normal levels?
Yes, speaking frankly, the equipment you have now is pretty pitiful as far as Physical Absorption goes - you'll want to find some heavy armor that grants higher amounts (for example, all my pieces have between 2.5-3.7 Absorb points), and don't worry about the burden - if they're hitting you for 0, you can take all the time you need. Your shield, however, has a very decent Evade stat, and that's precisely what you're looking for for the Arenas. From what was shared with me, you want the exact opposite in the Arenas of what you'd go for in IW. In IW, you want monsters to hit you as often as they want for useless damage while you let Bleeding Wound take them out despite their defenses; in Arena, you want to prevent monsters from attacking as often as possible, either by evading, blocking, or just moving faster in general. To that effect, you'll want low-burden armor with a high Block or Evade chance (like your shield), and a decent Rapier with PA that will help you slice through enemy defenses. Many other people will also suggest combining spells like Weaken and Bewilder to lessen the actual damage you take, but I think you get the general idea - take them out before they can ding you instead.
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Feb 14 2011, 02:48
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Sardion
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QUOTE(Sardion @ Feb 13 2011, 11:50)  How works damage reduction via armor?
lets say monster would hit 100dmg and from gear char have 5% mitigation and 30 absorption wich one work first? its: 100*[1-0,05]-30 = 65dmg or [100-30]*[1-0,05] = 66,5dmg?
Gentlemans?
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Feb 14 2011, 02:51
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dkplee
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I answered you in the post right under the post you just quoted
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Feb 14 2011, 02:51
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hgbdd
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QUOTE(Sardion @ Feb 14 2011, 00:48)  Gentlemans?
it's in the wiki.
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Feb 14 2011, 03:07
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altereggo
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Just got bewilder, but it's obviously not much use outside the ring of blood. Is it worth putting in the whole 5 points right away? I can usually tell when skill attacks are coming, although purr sometimes catches me by surprise. Which other skill attacks can be done at less than half mana, BTW? The wiki doesn't say.
This post has been edited by altereggo: Feb 14 2011, 03:07
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Feb 14 2011, 03:12
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Sardion
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QUOTE(dkplee @ Feb 14 2011, 01:51)  I answered you in the post right under the post you just quoted
Oh, sorry xd Thanks
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Feb 14 2011, 05:50
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shizukuxii
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I'm confused about "Elemental Damage Bonuses". Is it affect much for spell damage? I mean look at this glove (from conquest101 auction thread). It has only + 8.91 for fire but it's really expensive (auction price about 85k now even it's just start) This post has been edited by shizukuxii: Feb 14 2011, 05:52
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Feb 14 2011, 05:53
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE I'm confused about "Elemental Damage Bonuses". Is it affect much for spell damage? I mean look at this glove (from conquest101 auction thread). It has only + 8.91 for fire but it's really expensive (auction price about 85k now even it's just start) No, we're just overpaying.
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Feb 14 2011, 09:06
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hyl
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Feb 14 2011, 04:53)  No, we're just overpaying.
and we tend to like phase equips with usefull suffixes
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Feb 14 2011, 09:13
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hitokiri84
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Someone needs to determine the exact ratio of Elemental Proficiency to EDB to produce the same amount of damage. That way you would know if it was worth paying for those expensive upgrades.
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