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If you play HV for fun and go with low difficulty, all the play styles including Niten deserve consideration. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
But if your target is "DwD PFUDOR" or even "PFUDORfest", 2H (for example) is very hard style to do it.
(I mean 'in reasonable gear' and 'in reasonable clear time'.) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Which styles can clear pfudorfest in a reasonable time? super high level holy mage?

Which styles can clear pfudorfest in a reasonable time? super high level holy mage?

Eh... the word 'reasonable' also can be an issue here (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Because it's each to their own, and in the HV the clear time depends on ping, as well. Especially for melee.

But it takes 3.5~4.5 hours for me now with a lot of spamming Focus, Spirit Theft, and a lot of nervous and tension. (1H Power, 2 turns / sec speed) I think it's not reasonable yet so far.
IMO 3 hours without much nervous is the threshold of 'reasonable' for me to beat PFUDORfest.

Of course someone would say it still take too long, while someone like me would say it's acceptable.

Is this rapier worth buying for 1.5m as a long-term weapon if I plan on forging its physical damage http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b7f47208ad

or should I just wait for a different rapier to maybe pop up in an auction? I know the above rapier is only an exquisite but the holy strike and lv.5 butcher are pretty tempting.

Is this rapier worth buying for 1.5m as a long-term weapon if I plan on forging its physical damage http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b7f47208ad

or should I just wait for a different rapier to maybe pop up in an auction? I know the above rapier is only an exquisite but the holy strike and lv.5 butcher are pretty tempting.

Imho, considering it has butcher 5, 43.96 is kinda low for Exq. Also the proc is kinda short.
You can still try to haggle but it's really not worth forging I'd say (hope MNP isn't reading that! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )

Imho, considering it has butcher 5, 43.96 is kinda low for Exq. Also the proc is kinda short.
You can still try to haggle but it's really not worth forging I'd say (hope MNP isn't reading that! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )

Yeah that makes sense, I might just spend my credits on LOTD for now...

Is this rapier worth buying for 1.5m as a long-term weapon if I plan on forging its physical damage http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b7f47208ad

or should I just wait for a different rapier to maybe pop up in an auction? I know the above rapier is only an exquisite but the holy strike and lv.5 butcher are pretty tempting.

It's a reasonable rapier. To be honest you don't get ethereal rapiers of slaughter coming along that often... Personally I'd hold off until the next patch though as 1h might be nerfed into unusable obscurity again. The advantage is if DW becomes the new "must use" style you still have the rapier lol.

Even if you do get it, you're potentially going to waste money forging ADB on it as realistically when something else comes along you'll want to salvage it for the bindings as you're very unlikely to get your money back selling it forged. Sadly that's what I had to do with my old shade set :/

tl;dr wait until the next patch, or buy it and don't forge it

It's a reasonable rapier. To be honest you don't get ethereal rapiers of slaughter coming along that often... Personally I'd hold off until the next patch though as 1h might be nerfed into unusable obscurity again. The advantage is if DW becomes the new "must use" style you still have the rapier lol.

Even if you do get it, you're potentially going to waste money forging ADB on it as realistically when something else comes along you'll want to salvage it for the bindings as you're very unlikely to get your money back selling it forged. Sadly that's what I had to do with my old shade set :/

tl;dr wait until the next patch, or buy it and don't forge it

Thanks for the input, looks like I'll spend my credits on training LOTD instead.

And that's unfortunate for your armor set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

iirc, ~lvl315, but i'd imagine you can do it @lvl300 like simrock87. though, hving a weapon that does holy+demonic+void dmg & OFC is somewhat required for a reasonable time.

basically, Haste/SS/Protect/Heartseaker/Regen always on. skip SV+Sol to save mana. @rd55 for the first SG, stack 3PA => OFC, then repeat this for the next 55rds. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

At Lv.300, with 10 Mana + 5 Spirit pot, I tried running the first SG on PFUDOR with my 1H+Power set in my sig. and somewhere on 90 rounds I ran out of Mana pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Then the next day I tried going in with 12 Mana + 3 Spirit pot, somewhere around 90 rds again I ran out of Spirit pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So like usual, I've been doing them on IWBTH with DW+Shade since then. Still don't have the guts to do them on PFUDOR with 1H+Power yet.

I have OFC and I follow the procedure you mentioned accordingly yet I'm still taking tons of damage from monsters draining my SP away. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'd believe that it's either my gearing style is too offensive or I need that holy demonic Spirit Theft to offset that squisy-ness of Power's.

"Why not 1H+Shade?"
It's slow and I don't have time for that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

This post has been edited by kos9494: May 25 2014, 01:11

At Lv.300, with 10 Mana + 5 Spirit pot, I tried running the first SG on PFUDOR with my 1H+Power set in my sig. and somewhere on 90 rounds I ran out of Mana pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Then the next day I tried going in with 12 Mana + 3 Spirit pot, somewhere around 90 rds again I ran out of Spirit pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So like usual, I've been doing them on IWBTH with DW+Shade since then. Still don't have the guts to do them on PFUDOR with 1H+Power yet.

I have OFC and I follow the procedure you mentioned accordingly yet I'm still taking tons of damage from monsters draining my SP away. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'd believe that it's either my gearing style is too offensive or I need that holy demonic Spirit Theft to offset that squisy-ness of Power's.

"Why not 1H+Shade?"
It's slow and I don't have time for that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

do it w/ DW/shade + start w/ OFC when there's a lot of adds.

if you have enough OP, niten is actually ok-ish. i've messed up a few times and accidentally left my niten shade set on (this katana + the waki & armor in my sig) for PFUDOR RE and managed to not die. pretty sure if i had a good ethereal katana with as much OP as mine i could take on a few arenas @PFUDOR. pure speculation though.

You could take Pfudor RE, going pretty much: buff, buff, buff, cure, attack, cure, attack, cure, attack, full-cure... Sometimes you could even slip two attacks between a cure and the other. Then you should end it with OFC.

When it comes to Pfudor Arenas you'll be able to take just the shorter 1K ones (from 25 to 50 rounds).

How can I be sure of that? Because this is my Niten set:

Katana - Wakizashi - Helmet - Breastplate - Gauntlets - Leggings - Boots

It's pretty much on par with your set, save for the fact that I have those Ethereal weapons you were talking about.

Longer arenas on pfudor are too much of a pain in the ass. The rest is "just" a standard pain in the ass.

As much as I like Niten's concept, it just doesn't work.

At Lv.300, with 10 Mana + 5 Spirit pot, I tried running the first SG on PFUDOR with my 1H+Power set in my sig. and somewhere on 90 rounds I ran out of Mana pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Then the next day I tried going in with 12 Mana + 3 Spirit pot, somewhere around 90 rds again I ran out of Spirit pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So like usual, I've been doing them on IWBTH with DW+Shade since then. Still don't have the guts to do them on PFUDOR with 1H+Power yet.

I have OFC and I follow the procedure you mentioned accordingly yet I'm still taking tons of damage from monsters draining my SP away. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'd believe that it's either my gearing style is too offensive or I need that holy demonic Spirit Theft to offset that squisy-ness of Power's.

"Why not 1H+Shade?"
It's slow and I don't have time for that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

more IW? iirc, i've lvl5 everything (including shield) before doing 1st SG@PF & those holy/dark/cold/juggernaut mitigation are quite useful. even with 12-20+% miti of everything (except void), special attack from SG or "other" monsters can drain your SP quite fast, but it's slightly less.

also, i bring 12 Mana + 3 Heroic Spirit pot.

ps. you do lvl up fast. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

imo, my crappy Exq shade set +1h can do 2nd SG@PF without VV, but it'll take 2-3hrs. resist is pretty awesome, but too bad you can't resist melee attacks. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 25 2014, 07:39

You could take Pfudor RE, going pretty much: buff, buff, buff, cure, attack, cure, attack, cure, attack, full-cure... Sometimes you could even slip two attacks between a cure and the other. Then you should end it with OFC.

When it comes to Pfudor Arenas you'll be able to take just the shorter 1K ones (from 25 to 50 rounds).

How can I be sure of that? Because this is my Niten set:

Katana - Wakizashi - Helmet - Breastplate - Gauntlets - Leggings - Boots

It's pretty much on par with your set, save for the fact that I have those Ethereal weapons you were talking about.

Longer arenas on pfudor are too much of a pain in the ass. The rest is "just" a standard pain in the ass.

As much as I like Niten's concept, it just doesn't work.

I use leather for all melee style besides 1H . (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Almost no heal up to IWBTH arena, even with 2H. However, 2H is too bad for PF.

My feeling of the current melee style
Weapon:
-1H: Very safe. The skills are wonderful for single trarget.
-DW: Fast for single target. A bit safe due to the extra parry. The skills are mainly for single target.
-2H: Not fast for single target, but have splash damage. The skills are essential but have to chained (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif). When you are in danger, you don't really have chance to use 3 skills continuously. In addition, it output power is lower than both 1H and DW. Making it worst on both attack and defense.
-Neten: Fast for single target. And also have splash damage and extra parry. The skill do not require chain.

Armor:
Leather: The king of defense at higher level. Got PMI/resist/evade, but no ADB.
Shade: Got ABD and evade but the weapon need to have 0 burden or the evade will be reduced greatly.
Plate: High PMI, but no resist. You probably will be one shoted in PF very often.
Power: King of the ABD. But the defense is so low that can only use with 1H. (Or DW in SG arena)
Phase: Got EDB so you can play it with 1H. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Colman: May 25 2014, 08:08

I use leather for all melee style besides 1H . (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Almost no heal up to IWBTH arena, even with 2H. However, 2H is too bad for PF.

just curious, what type of leather do you use? all reinforced protection? or mix & match with warding/dampening/stoneskin/etc

just curious, what type of leather do you use? all reinforced protection? or mix & match with warding/dampening/stoneskin/etc

I only use leather of protection. I do not really care the prefix. They do not have much effect anyway.
Here is my leather set: head body hands legs feet

I have forged them a bit, however, they are not the highest quality leather. In fact, they are those you can properly buy with 100k- for each (besides the Reinforced) .

This post has been edited by Colman: May 25 2014, 08:00

At Lv.300, with 10 Mana + 5 Spirit pot, I tried running the first SG on PFUDOR with my 1H+Power set in my sig. and somewhere on 90 rounds I ran out of Mana pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Then the next day I tried going in with 12 Mana + 3 Spirit pot, somewhere around 90 rds again I ran out of Spirit pot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

So like usual, I've been doing them on IWBTH with DW+Shade since then. Still don't have the guts to do them on PFUDOR with 1H+Power yet.

I have OFC and I follow the procedure you mentioned accordingly yet I'm still taking tons of damage from monsters draining my SP away. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

I'd believe that it's either my gearing style is too offensive or I need that holy demonic Spirit Theft to offset that squisy-ness of Power's.

"Why not 1H+Shade?"
It's slow and I don't have time for that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

I don't know your style (aggressive or defensive), so I'd say general advices.

1. As malkatmp said, keep an eye on your overcharge and use OFC right after the beginning of new round, when there's a lot of monsters.
If OFC is on cooldown, try to use Weaken (or Silence to SG) when there's a lot of monsters.
"MP consumption by Weaken" is better than "MP consumption with Cure and SP consumption with Spirit Shield" proc.

2. Spirit Theft is not a must, but it may help you balancing your MP and SP potion ratio when your defense is not enough yet. (about 300~350 lvl) MP potion is more efficient than SP potion if you have 300+ Forbidden proficiency + 2nd level of Rippend Soul.

3. IW your gears. You don't have to level up it up to 10 lvl. Just 5 lvl for each is enough.
With that you could have averagely +20% each for specific mitigation, including your Spike Shield.
I prefer holy > dark > fire to others, but you don't have to reforge it until your gear is worth it.

4. Get Vigorous Vitality. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Thanks for the input, looks like I'll spend my credits on training LOTD instead.

And that's unfortunate for your armor set (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Good luck in finding a Slaughter Rapier with ExMax+ WD - you are going to need it. Chances are, if you were to find one, it would most likely be a high level Magnificent which will set you back even more than the one you are passing on. You still have to have it IW'ed and there is no guarantee that you will get Butcher 5 on it to surpass this one's WD. You may end up wasting 50+ Amnesia Shards and 50 runs of IW, paying for all that will set you back well past 1M credits. On the other hand, if you were to sink 5 Binding of Slaughter into this one (c. 1M credits), you would be farther ahead as far as WD is concerned vs the pipe dream Magnificent Slaughter Rapier with Butcher 5 on it.

Good luck in finding a Slaughter Rapier with ExMax+ WD - you are going to need it. Chances are, if you were to find one, it would most likely be a high level Magnificent which will set you back even more than the one you are passing on. You still have to have it IW'ed and there is no guarantee that you will get Butcher 5 on it to surpass this one's WD. You may end up wasting 50+ Amnesia Shards and 50 runs of IW, paying for all that will set you back well past 1M credits. On the other hand, if you were to sink 5 Binding of Slaughter into this one (c. 1M credits), you would be farther ahead as far as WD is concerned vs the pipe dream Magnificent Slaughter Rapier with Butcher 5 on it.

imo, butcher 5 & 3 PAB on a rapier are over-rated.

butcher 2-3 is generally good enough for most people & butcher 5 has driven me mad. Max lvl to get void strike is actually more important to me than butcher 5. 4-6% dmg of 900 is only 36-54 dmg. you might as well buy a Mag Power Slaughter to get those 36-54 dmg than going through with IW. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

also, Str & Dex are the more important PABs for 1H. those extra 20-40 Agi are nice, but its benefits (ie PMI & evade) for heavy are very minor. just test out a similar 3PAB rapier with 2PAB rapier, with the 2 PAB rapier i've lost 0.4% PMI from ~34pts less Agi & my 0% evade has gone to 0%. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 25 2014, 09:34

Some IW on armors I see.

Here's my stat, and I'm pretty sure my equipments are way too offensive.

*^ means what I think.

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/90etz/611e41bc6e.png)
^I'd believe 14k HP at my level is quite low, for a 1H Heavy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/90esN/d18de4300f.png)
^The Block chance is okay, but the mitigation is just sad.

(IMG:[puu.sh] http://puu.sh/90exh/1a8af7f04e.png)
^I supposed my mitigation is just tooooo low as what you guys mentioned there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Some IW on armors I see.

Here's my stat, and I'm pretty sure my equipments are way too offensive.

*^ means what I think.

-snip-
^I'd believe 14k HP at my level is quite low, for a 1H Heavy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

-snip-
^The Block chance is okay, but the mitigation is just sad.

-snip-
^I supposed my mitigation is just tooooo low as what you guys mentioned there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

iirc, it took me forever to get to 15k hp. i took the 2PAB (Str +Dex) power slaughter route for more dmg, instead of hving Endurance.

also, evade is somewhat equivalent to block. ie you'll take 0 dmg from a success evade/block from melee & magic attack. if it fails to evade/block, light/cloth still has resist to absorb magic attacks & heavy doesn't. you'll only get a low 1x% resist from your PABs. so to compensate for magical damages, you need some elemental mitigation.

for melee dmg, you'll still hv parry, if not your heavy abilities (crushing/slashing/piercing miti) are quite nice & power stuff has decent PMI + melee mitigations.

lastly, for SG use something that does Holy+Dark+Void dmg. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

ps. i'd imagine your current stats are better than my stats at your lvl (except elemental miti). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

edit: find my old post, here's my stats when i've did 1st SG@PF. didn't hv a lot of miti except fire, also, juggernaut.
edit2: simrock87's detail walkthrough of 1st SG@PF for 1H+power

This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 25 2014, 11:01

^I'd believe 14k HP at my level is quite low, for a 1H Heavy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

^The Block chance is okay, but the mitigation is just sad.

^I supposed my mitigation is just tooooo low as what you guys mentioned there. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

There's something strange with your stats... You're 1H Heavy and you have both less PMi and more MMi than either my Arcanist or Fleet set.

Usually, it should be the other way around.