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May 23 2014, 06:38
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 23 2014, 06:32)  I dun think he need to play anymore. He can use the credit from selling materials to feed the new dark mage.
i'd imagined if he check his monsters enough, his army can probably earn him millions/day. assuming most of his individual monsters can make him low 6-figures/day/monster from all HG mats + bindings. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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May 23 2014, 06:43
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Colman
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 23 2014, 12:38)  i'd imagined if he check his monsters enough, his army can probably earn him millions/day. assuming most of his individual monsters can make him low 6-figures/day/monster from all HG mats + bindings. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Each PL 1600 monster can at least give him 36 drops, which only consist of HG materials and bindings, per day. This post has been edited by Colman: May 23 2014, 06:44
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May 23 2014, 06:47
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TheRapture
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Goddamn I wish I were rich enough to have an army of monsters.
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May 23 2014, 07:00
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 23 2014, 12:47)  Goddamn I wish I were rich enough to have an army of monsters. You can ask one of the crystminers for enough crystal packs for one PL750+ monster on credit if you have a solid enough income record, but just one of these will cost you millions of credits, about 2.4 Megacredit or so iirc, so an army of these will cost you 30 megacredits, bare minimum. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Long story short, you wouldn't get loads of materials and bindings without a heavy investment... This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 23 2014, 07:01
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May 23 2014, 07:15
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 23 2014, 06:43)  Each PL 1600 monster can at least give him 36 drops, which only consist of HG materials and bindings, per day.
(IMG:[ i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/dZpvX9c.gif) QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 23 2014, 06:47)  Goddamn I wish I were rich enough to have an army of monsters.
as LostLogia4 has said, it takes ~2.4 Megacredits to lvl up a guy to PL750, but imo, a small group of PL25-50 guys are still good too. they can still bring you a binding of Fox/Owl/Slaughter once in a LONG while. maybe once every few months. QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 23 2014, 07:00)  You can ask one of the crystminers for enough crystal packs for one PL750+ monster on credit if you have a solid enough income record, but just one of these will cost you millions of credits, about 2.4 Megacredit or so iirc, so an army of these will cost you 30 megacredits, bare minimum. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Long story short, you wouldn't get loads of materials and bindings without a heavy investment... the current average income is ~15k credits/day for my PL750 guy. this pass week is a bad week, no bindings, all MG mats. though, how do you guys get that many chaos token?
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May 23 2014, 07:27
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Colman
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 23 2014, 13:15)  the current average income is ~15k credits/day for my PL750 guy. this pass week is a bad week, no bindings, all MG mats. though, how do you guys get that many chaos token?
One HG every two day? Fully token on gift chance? BTW, how you value those material?
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May 23 2014, 07:32
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TheRapture
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 23 2014, 07:00)  You can ask one of the crystminers for enough crystal packs for one PL750+ monster on credit if you have a solid enough income record, but just one of these will cost you millions of credits, about 2.4 Megacredit or so iirc, so an army of these will cost you 30 megacredits, bare minimum. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Long story short, you wouldn't get loads of materials and bindings without a heavy investment... Solid income level, good joke. I barely have enough to train Adept Learner every hour, and even then it's largely supplanted by uploads... Question, actually. My monster's got yellow morale. Should I be stuffing happy pills down its throat, or is there generally no point? EDIT: I didn't feel like making a full new post, but guess who got oneshot by the Invisible Pink Unicorn on Normal Mode? (this guy). Who the hell made the stupid thing do 10k damage in normal mode? I don't even have that much bloody hp. This post has been edited by TheRapture: May 23 2014, 08:47
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May 23 2014, 07:49
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 23 2014, 07:27)  One HG every two day? Fully token on gift chance? BTW, how you value those material?
generally, from available WTB prices for estimates & updated the prices for the actual sold price which is usually higher. imo, WTS (or itembot) prices are bad est. because i can list binding of Cheetah for 50k each (ie the current itembot price), but it'll take forever+1 to sell it. Currently 77 gifts after 52days: -53 MG (est. 300) -11 HG (all WTB prices) -13 Bindings (all WTB prices), only 4 "expensive" bindings that significantly boost my income. CP/Slaughter/Destruction/Cheetah. YMMV, though, i'm wondering should i try to get him towards PL1000 or just hv another PL750 guy. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)  ps. it's a dragonkin. This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 23 2014, 07:53
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May 23 2014, 09:15
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Hoheneim
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 23 2014, 06:43)  Each PL 1600 monster can at least[color=#3333FF] give him 36 drops, which only consist of HG materials and bindings, per day.
At least? I'd figure "at most"... OTOH, 1600+PL aside, the income for 750+PL is grossly overestimated IME. Got a few of those and they even stopped bringing back valuable stuff a couple of months ago, now it's all mid grade and useless bindings... The occasional HG is metal more often than not (as per drop rates) and I can't even use them ATM. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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May 23 2014, 10:11
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n125
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 23 2014, 00:15)  At least? I'd figure "at most"... OTOH, 1600+PL aside, the income for 750+PL is grossly overestimated IME. Got a few of those and they even stopped bringing back valuable stuff a couple of months ago, now it's all mid grade and useless bindings... The occasional HG is metal more often than not (as per drop rates) and I can't even use them ATM. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Yeah. Roughly, I think the bar is around PL 900 now if you want to get anything on a daily basis.
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May 23 2014, 10:35
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Colman
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 23 2014, 15:15)  At least? I'd figure "at most"... OTOH, 1600+PL aside, the income for 750+PL is grossly overestimated IME. Got a few of those and they even stopped bringing back valuable stuff a couple of months ago, now it's all mid grade and useless bindings... The occasional HG is metal more often than not (as per drop rates) and I can't even use them ATM. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) According to the data from my own monsters, ~PL850 can have a daily win. While ~PL650 can have 2-3 weekly win. By estimating the chance of showing up from the statistic, which mean tracing a specific monster of a given PL. I roughly know a ~PL1200 monster can have a win every few hours. And a ~PL1600 monster can have at least one win per hour. So, a PL1600 monster can have 3 gifts (become 6 with fully token) in not more than 4 hours. BTW, the PL threshold for having a daily win is keep increasing. Perhaps it will be PL1000 soon. There is really no point for non-hardcore player to chase for a win/day. Just wait for the free gift every two days is more realistic. This post has been edited by Colman: May 23 2014, 10:43
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May 23 2014, 10:46
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 23 2014, 04:59)  Now that you mentioned it, yeah, 10 crystal packs will earn a million... wait, doesn't it mean that gc-kun will be able to make a new "imo the darkmage" every two weeks?
btw, has mk4v1 already been reported?
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May 23 2014, 11:02
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Hoheneim
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 23 2014, 10:35)  According to the data from my own monsters, ~PL850 can have a daily win. While ~PL650 can have 2-3 weekly win. By estimating the chance of showing up from the statistic, which mean tracing a specific monster of a given PL. I roughly know a ~PL1200 monster can have a win every few hours. And a ~PL1600 monster can have at least one win per hour. So, a PL1600 monster can have 3 gifts (become 6 with fully token) in not more than 4 hours.
BTW, the PL threshold for having a daily win is keep increasing. Perhaps it will be PL1000 soon. There is really no point for non-hardcore player to chase for a win/day. Just wait for the free gift every two days is more realistic.
Yes, the threshold is constantly rising. Anyway I wasn't talking about how often my monsters bring something back (mostly they do it daily), just how much the quality dropped recently so it's not really a good ource of income. Honestly so fare they haven't paid back the investment made. BTW, fully upgraded Scavenging won't grant you a double gift 100% of the time, it'll just double the base chance.
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May 23 2014, 11:07
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danixxx
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When most people jumps in the bandwagon, it was just a matter of time before the return on investment crumbled. The numbers of high level monsters keep growing but the numbers of monsters in battle remains the same.
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May 23 2014, 11:12
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Hoheneim @ May 23 2014, 11:02)  Yes, the threshold is constantly rising. Anyway I wasn't talking about how often my monsters bring something back (mostly they do it daily), just how much the quality dropped recently so it's not really a good ource of income. Honestly so fare they haven't paid back the investment made.
BTW, fully upgraded Scavenging won't grant you a double gift 100% of the time, it'll just double the base chance.
agreed with the first paragraph, don't know about the 2nd part. 10B math is confusing. like i said in another post, it's been all MG mats & no bindings for a while. though, i guess, i'm just happy it brings me something almost everyday & i won't be surprise that at the end it'll take me 200+days to breakeven. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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May 23 2014, 11:52
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(danixxx @ May 23 2014, 19:07)  When most people jumps in the bandwagon, it was just a matter of time before the return on investment crumbled. The numbers of high level monsters keep growing but the numbers of monsters in battle remains the same.
And if players continue to grow richer/stronger, monter win will be even rarer. Maybe 10B should implement a system to disable monsters who haven't been fed for a while (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 23 2014, 12:05
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pervdiz
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 23 2014, 11:52)  And if players continue to grow richer/stronger, monter win will be even rarer. Maybe 10B should implement a system to disable monsters who haven't been fed for a while (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) His intention initially iirc Then there was much rage and whine :|
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