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It is cheaper to buy the hath perk than get the last ~80 levels (around even at adept learner 200). Then it is up to you.

You mean Thinking Cap? That's 250 hath which is 8500 credits each so....
2125000
That seems as though it would be more expensive...

This post has been edited by Mikey_Mike: May 21 2014, 19:00

You mean Thinking Cap? That's 250 hath which is 8500 credits each so....
2125000
That seems as though it would be more expensive...

The perk is more expensive but it have higher effect per cost when your training level is high (~200).

For example:
When you already have 200 Adept Learner.
-Adding another 1 Adept Learner will give you 1/(100+200) = ~0.33% increase in exp. With 21809 credit. i.e. ~66k/ 1% exp
-Get the hath perk will give you 25% exp, so the cost = 10hath/1% exp which is better than the training.

When you also consider the keep increase training cost, the different will be greater. You can do the integration to get the optimal cost efficient set up but I am too lazy to do so.

This post has been edited by Colman: May 21 2014, 20:00

You mean Thinking Cap? That's 250 hath which is 8500 credits each so....
2125000
That seems as though it would be more expensive...

Chipping in with Colman's answer to add comparing Adept Learner and Thinking Cap. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
They have the pros and cons.

Adept Learner : Training (from 220 to 300) :
- costs 2,962,767 credits
- gives 4.0/3.2 = x1.25 exp bonus
- takes 80 hours

Thinking Cap : Hath perk
- costs 250 Hath = 2,125,000 credits (assuming 1 Hath = 8,500 credits)
- gives x1.25 exp bonus

Thinking Cap provides immediate bonus same with AL 220->300, and it costs cheaper than AL 220->300.
But you should gather 250 Hath for that. Saving it would be hard work when you're at low level.

Adept Learner provides +1% bonus per 1 training, and one by one training is no burden to low level player.
(Even the last training costs 50k credits.)
But the sum of AL 220->300 is more expensive than Thinking Cap and it requires 80 hours total after all.

A lot of analysis

You really take your time explaining that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) .

BTW, it is so hard to get a Lv5 + L4 weapon. I have try a few times and I can only get a Lv5 +Lv3. here

BTW, it is so hard to get a Lv5 + L4 weapon.

Yeah, talk to Jenga about his attempts lately to do that. He keeps getting ever so close but never actually there. That crap must be maddening.

Chipping in with Colman's answer to add comparing Adept Learner and Thinking Cap. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
They have the pros and cons.

Adept Learner : Training (from 220 to 300) :
- costs 2,962,767 credits
- gives 4.0/3.2 = x1.25 exp bonus
- takes 80 hours

Thinking Cap : Hath perk
- costs 250 Hath = 2,125,000 credits (assuming 1 Hath = 8,500 credits)
- gives x1.25 exp bonus

Thinking Cap provides immediate bonus same with AL 220->300, and it costs cheaper than AL 220->300.
But you should gather 250 Hath for that. Saving it would be hard work when you're at low level.

Adept Learner provides +1% bonus per 1 training, and one by one training is no burden to low level player.
(Even the last training costs 50k credits.)
But the sum of AL 220->300 is more expensive than Thinking Cap and it requires 80 hours total after all.

what about 2nd level of Thinking Cap? so maxing adept learner to 300 is 100% better idea than getting 2nd EXP perk?

But you should gather 250 Hath for that. Saving it would be hard work when you're at low level.

Gather it how exactly? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

what about 2nd level of Thinking Cap? so maxing adept learner to 300 is 100% better idea than getting 2nd EXP perk?

AL 0~220 > Thinking Cap 1 > AL 220~300 > Thinking Cap 2
220 in both cases may be changed to 250 depends on the goals
not particularly experienced with upgrades, so а few questions here
how many bindings is needed for upgrade base block to 42 from 28/30/32?
how much bindings is obtained from salvaging shield with 1/2/10 block upgrades?

AL 0~220 > Thinking Cap 1 > AL 220~300 > Thinking Cap 2
220 in both cases may be changed to 250 depends on the goals
not particularly experienced with upgrades, so а few questions here
how many bindings is needed for upgrade base block to 42 from 28/30/32?
how much bindings is obtained from salvaging shield with 1/2/10 block upgrades?

you can't forge a shield with 28 or 30 base block to 42 but a shield with 32 base block would take about 40 forges. you can check yourself using the formulas in the forging thread.
keep in mind that ( Base_Roll + Suffix_Roll + Quality_Bonus ) * Base_Multiplier = base stat for equip

for salvaging, you get back 80-90% of what you put in depending on forge level.

one more thing: it takes the same amount of forge xp to salvage something that it does to forge something, so if forging a shield gave you 500 forge xp salvaging it would cost you the same amount.

This post has been edited by something: May 21 2014, 23:04

Yeah, talk to Jenga about his attempts lately to do that. He keeps getting ever so close but never actually there. That crap must be maddening.

I'm trying for only Butcher and Fatility on my axe. I'm up to around 500? shards used.
I IW'd 2 other pieces of equipment for only Butcher and Overpower using about 150ish amnesia each.

I remember there being some issue with potencies where you couldn't get some combination. Tenboro fixed that a while back.. Maybe my failure has something to do with that.



My advice is.. stick to lvl 5 of some potency for your IW's.

Potency lvl 5 ~0-50 shards.
Potency lvl 5 with no single type of potency (swift strike?) ~50-200 shards
Potency with only 2 types ~possible/impossible? you tell me

Closest I got so far is with this trash Axe I'm using to grind Divine proficiency: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b0edd8eed0

I'm trying for only Butcher and Fatility on my axe. I'm up to around 500? shards used.
I IW'd 2 other pieces of equipment for only Butcher and Overpower using about 150ish amnesia each.

I remember there being some issue with potencies where you couldn't get some combination. Tenboro fixed that a while back.. Maybe my failure has something to do with that.
My advice is.. stick to lvl 5 of some potency for your IW's.

Potency lvl 5 ~0-50 shards.
Potency lvl 5 with no single type of potency (swift strike?) ~50-200 shards
Potency with only 2 types ~possible/impossible? you tell me

Yeah if you look at the top equipment thread there are 'lots' of people with two potencies. It just takes a ton of shards. Two potencies 5 + 4 + holy or dark elemental roll is pretty hectic but some people have done that.

I discovered that I have a new skill now that I'm past level 200.

I have likewise heard that Spirit Shield replaces Spark of Life. How viable is Spirit Shield, and should I be popping it?

I discovered that I have a new skill now that I'm past level 200.

I have likewise heard that Spirit Shield replaces Spark of Life. How viable is Spirit Shield, and should I be popping it?

It doesn't become very useful until you can max it out at level 275. That said, it is still useful to have it on. For melee players it becomes more useful than spark of life because they have high mitigation and a lot of hp. Mages however, still need spark of life because of the lack of hp and mitigation

Yeah if you look at the top equipment thread there are 'lots' of people with two potencies. It just takes a ton of shards. Two potencies 5 + 4 + holy or dark elemental roll is pretty hectic but some people have done that.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b3d793baf5 I haven't used a single Amnesia Shard for this, woop woop.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b3d793baf5 I haven't used a single Amnesia Shard for this, woop woop.

...

You lucky bugger.

BTW, it is so hard to get a Lv5 + L4 weapon. I have try a few times and I can only get a Lv5 +Lv3. here

I used 400+ amnesia and get only 3 eco on a staff. Not even 4 eco... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

what about 2nd level of Thinking Cap? so maxing adept learner to 300 is 100% better idea than getting 2nd EXP perk?

2nd level is called "Mentats". It costs 500 Hath and gives +50% bouns.
That means you get additional x1.2 bouns exp from it. (1.5/1.25 = x1.2)
You'd better get it after getting AL 300 max.

Gather it how exactly? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

By cutting down all expenses (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

how many bindings is needed for upgrade base block to 42 from 28/30/32?
how much bindings is obtained from salvaging shield with 1/2/10 block upgrades?

From 28, 30, 32 to 42 requires 42/28 = x1.5, 42/30 = x1.4, 42/32 = x1.3125.
And non-ADB/MDB upgrade max is about 35% on 50 times upgrade.
So you can't upgrade 28->42 and 30->42, while 32->42 can be done with 38~39+ upgrades.
But I'd say you should get better shield. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have likewise heard that Spirit Shield replaces Spark of Life. How viable is Spirit Shield, and should I be popping it?

At your level Spirit Shield is not good since it procs only when the damage is over 40% of your HP.
Use it at least after 265 level because the amount is 25% at 265 level and 20% at 285 level.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b3d793baf5 I haven't used a single Amnesia Shard for this, woop woop.

When did you have this axe IW'ed to Lv10?

I have likewise heard that Spirit Shield replaces Spark of Life. How viable is Spirit Shield, and should I be popping it?

High level players 400+ start using both.

Spirit Shield is suicide for mages when doing Hellfest+.

So I just ran all 3 SG with elemental infusion by accident, speed is exactly the same as with holy/dark infusion

I reckon there's really no point to paying extra money for demonic weapon (hallowed is somewhat justifiable, cos of the cure bonus) or holy/dark infusion/strike, is there?

This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 22 2014, 06:28