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May 11 2014, 16:38
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(kuro009 @ May 11 2014, 22:27)  Same reason I use HV-Stat Slim now. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Me too. I used the clim version cuz HVstat is like wadafuq slow on default font. I used Verdana font now, but I'd rather not touch it for awhile...
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May 11 2014, 16:45
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(kawaiikun @ May 11 2014, 16:27)  How do i identify an Exq+?
by its prefix: exquisite, magnificent and so on... my two cents is that you may IW what you want, even a crude-0PAB shortsword (btw, it may actually be useful to grind profs too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), though you should also discern between what it really will help you in your run and what doesn't: it may mean IWing something to sell it at a better price, IWing a replacement gear to help you while you're doing the same to your mains, and so on, but don't mind with IWing just to throw them in bazaar or just to rename them for example (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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May 11 2014, 16:51
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malkatmp
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 30-April 12

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2014, 16:45)  by its prefix: exquisite, magnificent and so on... my two cents is that you may IW what you want, even a crude-0PAB shortsword (btw, it may actually be useful to grind profs too (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ), though you should also discern between what it really will help you in your run and what doesn't: it may mean IWing something to sell it at a better price, IWing a replacement gear to help you while you're doing the same to your mains, and so on, but don't mind with IWing just to throw them in bazaar or just to rename them for example (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) maybe it's just me, but i just hate IW. it's frustrating & slow without a decent payout. 1/4 credits, no arena clearing bonus, no token/equip bonus, etc. also, a lot of times, you don't hv another "spare" to IW your main weapon. so you end up doing it slower &/or on a lower difficulty.
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May 11 2014, 16:57
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kuro009
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 11 2014, 20:08)  Me too. I used the clim version cuz HVstat is like wadafuq slow on default font. I used Verdana font now, but I'd rather not touch it for awhile...
I use Arial 9 with -3 vertical adjust. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) And I use HV-Stat Slim with all the notifications turned off, which made the gameplay all the more smooth. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 11 2014, 17:01
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 11 2014, 16:51)  maybe it's just me, but i just hate IW. it's frustrating & slow without a decent payout. 1/4 credits, no arena clearing bonus, no token/equip bonus, etc.
surely it's a bit boring, but the main part is that it prevent you from power-leveling (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) and token can still drop as in every round, you know, it's only that you don't have the clear bonus (btw, is it only me or its chance has been adjusted at the point it's really hard to have one with first page arenas?) QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 11 2014, 16:51)  also, a lot of times, you don't hv another "spare" to IW your main weapon. so you end up doing it slower &/or on a lower difficulty.
well, that's why different styles are here in the first place, you use one of them regarding the particular challenge you're attending (including to IW the other one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) the matter is when you have to use styles like 1H and 2H, one of which is clearly overpower compared to the other...
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May 11 2014, 17:11
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kuro009
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2014, 20:31)  btw, is it only me or its chance has been adjusted at the point it's really hard to have one with first page arenas?
You're not the only one. I'm also not getting enough chaos tokens for my mobs recently. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) That's why I was asking about Tokenizer the other day.
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May 11 2014, 17:41
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2014, 17:01)  surely it's a bit boring, but the main part is that it prevent you from power-leveling (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) and token can still drop as in every round, you know, it's only that you don't have the clear bonus (btw, is it only me or its chance has been adjusted at the point it's really hard to have one with first page arenas?) 1st page arena generally don't give that many tokens, i used to get ~2 tokens for the whole 1st page arena. though, i've notice tokens seems to be dropping more often during arenas than before. Done TT & Eve of Death @PF a few hours ago and got 4 tokens (3chaos & 1 blood). i used to get ~2 or 1 at the end of each arena. QUOTE(kuro009 @ May 11 2014, 17:11)  You're not the only one. I'm also not getting enough chaos tokens for my mobs recently. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) That's why I was asking about Tokenizer the other day. treesloth16 mentioned something about getting 30 chaos token to 1 blood token. & you'll to play a lot to gather enough tokens for FSM or TTT @PF which is supposingly gives you better drops.
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May 11 2014, 18:09
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zen_zen
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 11 2014, 07:51)  maybe it's just me, but i just hate IW. it's frustrating & slow without a decent payout. 1/4 credits, no arena clearing bonus, no token/equip bonus, etc.
also, a lot of times, you don't hv another "spare" to IW your main weapon. so you end up doing it slower &/or on a lower difficulty.
These days, all I seem to play are the RE and maybe a run or two of IW. IW is a whole lot easier now than it was pre 0.78 when you had to play 3x more rounds per run. The number of runs did increase by about 1/3 more - that's about the time when binding prices started to rocket upwards... No argument regarding your reasons for disliking IW but the pay off is gaining Lv10 gear. I've read every argument against self-IW vs having it done by a third party but I don't normally ever have 400~500k credits to pay for the IW service - credits tend to slip through my fingers rather quickly. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It's not the main weapon of the present that you IW, you IW the weapon of the future. How far in future depends on the depth of your purse, mine is rather shallow so I tend to go for incremental gain. For example, if I acquire a weapon whose ADB is near to my current levelled weapon, that's a definite replacement candidate to IW. Of course, all of the other weapon proficiencies need to be looked at and weighed but in the end most impact can be seen and felt with ADB for weapons.
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May 11 2014, 18:18
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 11 2014, 18:09)  These days, all I seem to play are the RE and maybe a run or two of IW. IW is a whole lot easier now than it was pre 0.78 when you had to play 3x more rounds per run. The number of runs did increase by about 1/3 more - that's about the time when binding prices started to rocket upwards...
yep, i remember it. 100 levels or so for a superior item... -.-"
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May 11 2014, 18:24
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Aegnor Alkarin
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And 150-170 for Exquisites, no matter how shitty. Damn IW was hard when I first started HV.
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May 11 2014, 18:30
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malkatmp
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double post. :(
This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 11 2014, 18:31
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May 11 2014, 18:30
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malkatmp
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(zen_zen @ May 11 2014, 18:09)  These days, all I seem to play are the RE and maybe a run or two of IW. IW is a whole lot easier now than it was pre 0.78 when you had to play 3x more rounds per run. The number of runs did increase by about 1/3 more - that's about the time when binding prices started to rocket upwards... No argument regarding your reasons for disliking IW but the pay off is gaining Lv10 gear. I've read every argument against self-IW vs having it done by a third party but I don't normally ever have 400~500k credits to pay for the IW service - credits tend to slip through my fingers rather quickly. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It's not the main weapon of the present that you IW, you IW the weapon of the future. How far in future depends on the depth of your purse, mine is rather shallow so I tend to go for incremental gain. For example, if I acquire a weapon whose ADB is near to my current levelled weapon, that's a definite replacement candidate to IW. Of course, all of the other weapon proficiencies need to be looked at and weighed but in the end most impact can be seen and felt with ADB for weapons. QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2014, 18:18)  yep, i remember it. 100 levels or so for a superior item... -.-"
i remember those days too. iirc, back then people just tell you to IW a Crude/Average instead. though, it's still a lot of rounds. also, i think when you want to get a specific lv4-5 Potency, it's more frustrating. at one point, i want to pay someone to IW my axe to lvl5 butcher, but i'm just too poor for it & i don't hv the patience to do it myself. i guess i'll just hv to bite the bullet or just sit my ass down for a weekend to do it. ps. is HV & the forums getting laggy? so update sooon...........?!
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May 11 2014, 18:39
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 11 2014, 18:30)  at one point, i want to pay someone to IW my axe to lvl5 butcher, but i'm just too poor for it & i don't hv the patience to do it myself. i guess i'll just hv to bite the bullet or just sit my ass down for a weekend to do it.
well, frankly speaking what's the point in a butcher level 5 instead of 4? 2% damage, that means 24ADB more out of 1200? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) think about the final use: if that's a very good mag and you plan to use it on 1H OR you want to sell it for a very high price in the future i can still understand you may want to erase more than 1 overpower level, otherwise i would focus on gaining the spllemental strike and what comes is almost all good to go, IW10 is already hard as it is now without all these complications (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 11 2014, 18:39
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TheRapture
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Really? REALLY?I just got trolled hard. EDIT: at least it's worth 1k in the equipment shop. This post has been edited by TheRapture: May 11 2014, 18:40
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May 11 2014, 18:40
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darkx
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 11 2014, 12:30)  i don't hv the patience to do it myself. i guess i'll just hv to bite the bullet or just sit my ass down for a weekend to do it.
Sounds like homework
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May 11 2014, 18:41
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Caia
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 12 2014, 00:39)  Really? REALLY?I just got trolled hard. EDIT: at least it's worth 1k in the equipment shop. Pfft.
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May 11 2014, 18:43
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(darkx @ May 11 2014, 18:40)  Sounds like homework
indeed! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 11 2014, 18:39)  Really? REALLY?I just got trolled hard. EDIT: at least it's worth 1k in the equipment shop. would you consider 2000c for it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: May 11 2014, 18:43
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May 11 2014, 18:45
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kawaiikun
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So it's better to do IW when i can do it fast
Also, how much can a lvl of an item multiply their price?
This post has been edited by kawaiikun: May 11 2014, 18:45
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May 11 2014, 18:46
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TheRapture
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QUOTE(Caia @ May 11 2014, 18:41)  kek QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2014, 18:43)  would you consider 2000c for it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Only if you tell me what you would possibly want it for.
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May 11 2014, 18:50
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 11 2014, 18:39)  well, frankly speaking what's the point in a butcher level 5 instead of 4? 2% damage, that means 24ADB more out of 1200? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) think about the final use: if that's a very good mag and you plan to use it on 1H OR you want to sell it for a very high price in the future i can still understand you may want to erase more than 1 overpower level, otherwise i would focus on gaining the spllemental strike and what comes is almost all good to go, IW10 is already hard as it is now without all these complications (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(darkx @ May 11 2014, 18:40)  Sounds like homework
i guess so. maybe, i'll try to get butcher lv4 when i've time. probably wait until 300/winter soldier comes out on Dvd. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 11 2014, 18:39)  Really? REALLY?I just got trolled hard. EDIT: at least it's worth 1k in the equipment shop. sometimes you just hv to look for the silver linings. personally, average/superior phase/power/shade makes up a good chunk of my income. 5 of these "troll" items a day is an easy 10k-15k. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) though, it seems like the overall equip drop quality has dropped a bit today. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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