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May 7 2014, 05:11
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qw3rty67
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Wasn't it five or six fests a day?
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May 7 2014, 05:13
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 7 2014, 11:11)  TLDR
Sob...so I guess I'll be forced to turn into a 1H light.
Need a price check, how much will these cost?
- A decent Mithril Foce Shield of (what's the suffix that everyone wants?) - A rapier of slaughter with Emax WD and Mmax AGI
And should I pawn my agile helmet? Does speed play any role in 1h?
Generally deflection for 1H light, (warding or dampening for 1H Heavy) but not a must if it has high enough block. Exmax block exq force shield costs about 200~500k, while mmax block mag shield costs about 1.5~2.5+M. As you know the exact price depends on demand and several factors. For rapier, don't need to aim mmax AGI. Exmax WD, max+ parry, 3PAB, and holy/dark at SGs are enough to aim. I'd rather get better shield which is forgeable than rapier. The power of 1H comes from decent shield - high block chance. I recommend you to buy mmax+ shield and forge its block at least 10+ times.
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May 7 2014, 05:14
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darkx
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QUOTE(kos9494 @ May 6 2014, 22:54)  My mentor is a Hellarena/Hellfest mage with Crystarium III and he gets shit loads of money through selling crystal pack. He's friendly, you can ask him for advice if you want. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Who is your mentor? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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May 7 2014, 05:17
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Cats Lover @ May 7 2014, 11:13)  Generally deflection for 1H light, (warding or dampening for 1H Heavy) but not a must if it has high enough block. Exmax block exq force shield costs about 200~500k, while mmax block mag shield costs about 1.5~2.5+M. As you know the exact price depends on demand and several factors.
For rapier, don't need to aim mmax AGI. Exmax WD, max+ parry, 3PAB, and holy/dark at SGs are enough to aim. I'd rather get better shield which is forgeable than rapier. The power of 1H comes from decent shield - high block chance. I recommend you to buy mmax+ shield and forge its block at least 10+ times.
Yup, agree with AGI being almost useless for a 1H Rapier but it's still a bonus to have one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(darkx @ May 7 2014, 11:14)  Who is your mentor? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Take a look at my signature. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 7 2014, 05:17
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something
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 6 2014, 22:47)  Speaking of which, Blacksmith-kun mentioned that real grinders makes millions daily... how did they did that really? I assume hellfesting have something to do with it, but how many crystals you can gain from hellfesting anyway?
IIRC, you can get 2 packs and some change with crys 3 per hellfest. playing on PFUDOR or at least nintendo with a bunch of LotD and quartermaster has more to do with it than hellfest though IMO. case and point: QUOTE(holy_demon @ Mar 29 2014, 19:38)  ^ Should I share my story about making 10m in 1 month and make a thread about it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Simple, play PFUDOR (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)Though I'm sure the 400+ peeps make like 50m a month (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) This post has been edited by something: May 7 2014, 05:28
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May 7 2014, 05:25
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Cats Lover
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About ~2.2 packs per a hellfest with Crystarium III and Scavenger 50/50. Additionally tokens and some items like artifact also drops much for its long 1000 rounds. I usually run 4~6 hellfests a day, but I don't recommend it unless you have time to grind. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 7 2014, 05:33
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 7 2014, 04:11)  TLDR
Sob...so I guess I'll be forced to turn into a 1H light.
Need a price check, how much will these cost?
- A decent Mithril Foce Shield of (what's the suffix that everyone wants?) - A rapier of slaughter with Emax WD and Mmax AGI
And should I pawn my agile helmet? Does speed play any role in 1h?
the inner hoarder in me says No. you might need it one day. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) basically, like what Cat Lover has said, good enough shield & you're good to go. when you've decent block, your rapier's parry doesn't matter as much. also, imo, hallowed/demonic suffix do make things a bit easier, however, a other elemental maxed rapier+infusion is just a bit slower for SG. 45mins End of Days@PF vs 52mins. ps. maybe, i'm an alarmist, but soon™ This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 7 2014, 05:39
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May 7 2014, 05:54
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 7 2014, 13:33)  basically, like what Cat Lover has said, good enough shield & you're good to go. when you've decent block, your rapier's parry doesn't matter as much. also, imo, hallowed/demonic suffix do make things a bit easier, however, a other elemental maxed rapier+infusion is just a bit slower for SG. 45mins End of Days@PF vs 52mins.
There's no such thing as too much block or parry. Your end goal as 1H should be facerolling PFUDORfest (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) also people will pay millions for 7 mins faster clear. Heck I paid 18m for 8 mins faster in DwD. So paying an extra 1 or 2m for a holy/dark/eth rapier is pretty normal This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 7 2014, 05:54
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May 7 2014, 05:56
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Usagi =
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okay, then. Thank.
The reason I ask for AGI is because my shade set is focused on evade and ADB. I have invested a lot to get those evade so I might as well boost it more with big AGI.
I know evade is not very good for 1H because it doesn't give counters but I can't afford to refit myself with any other armor.
And I checked the wiki and force does come with mithril which is good to boost evade more.
Since I already have ultra high evade and block, parry on rapier can take a back seat or it would be overkill.
But its good to know I can get away with a shitty rapier on 1H. Let's hope this week's auction got something nice.
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May 7 2014, 07:01
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Colman
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 7 2014, 10:32)  Mithril isn't possible on a Force Shield. Don't worry about the prefix. Try to be sure your Force Shield has 3 PABs... mine doesn't, but I can't find an affordable one that's got a better Block. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Expect to pay at least 200k for a shield similar to mine. 700k+ for a Mag Force Shield with a Block nearly as good as mine, 1m+ for a Mag Force Shield with a Block better than mine. +Agl isn't as important as +Parry on a Rapier of Slaughter, IMHO. A decent Exq Rapier will run you 20-700k, depending on Prefix, PABs & +Parry. Double to Quadruple price for a Mag. Legendary, 7m to start. Just check the recent auction for the price of the force shield. M_Max block + 3 PABs are in 500k-1m range. (mostly ~700k) M_Max block + 2 PABs are in 150k-250k range.
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May 7 2014, 07:04
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Hahhaa
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Switching from DW to 1H? I will share my experience then. I use 1H only recently and start with shade armor. It very save. And once 1H proc is high enough, I get permanent spirit stance too. But the damage is low that I use a lot spirit pot. You can use spirit theft but my point is it low on damage and IMO not practical. I got much more damage with my power set and planning to get better power slaughter armor. But good power slaughter is very expensive (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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May 7 2014, 07:14
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 7 2014, 15:01)  Just check the recent auction for the price of the force shield. M_Max block + 3 PABs are in 500k-1m range. (mostly ~700k) M_Max block + 2 PABs are in 150k-250k range.
2 weeks ago I sold my MMax shield for 1.4m. 3 weeks ago someone sold his MMAX shield for 2m. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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May 7 2014, 07:16
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Usagi =
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QUOTE(Hahhaa @ May 7 2014, 13:04)  But the damage is low that I use a lot spirit pot. You can use spirit theft but my point is it low on damage and IMO not practical.
Huh...a few post back they tell me the damage was high?
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May 7 2014, 07:16
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malkatmp
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 7 2014, 05:54)  There's no such thing as too much block or parry. Your end goal as 1H should be facerolling PFUDORfest (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) also people will pay millions for 7 mins faster clear. Heck I paid 18m for 8 mins faster in DwD. So paying an extra 1 or 2m for a holy/dark/eth rapier is pretty normal but most people don't have Millions to throw around like you... ... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) poor peasants like me (LOL & others are probably doing better), usually only work with a budget of low-mid 6 figures. also, i think in terms of cost-benefit scenario, say you've 5 million to pick up 1H now. it's Not good to spend it ALL on a MMax shield + Mag Holy/dark rapier. it might be useful to pick up OFC, get a decent Mmax shield, a decent Exq/Mag rapier, full power slaughter gear (some might be 2PAB, but what the hell) & you'll still hv ~1 million left to dick around. imo, power protection/warding/balance isn't bad either. you can pick up Mag+ generally for <300k. if you're lucky you might get them @50k/piece. oh, lastly, get OFC. QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 7 2014, 07:16)  Huh...a few post back they tell me the damage was high?
1H + shade is safer than 1H +power. though, currently there's my power set has ~1000 more ABD than my shade set. This post has been edited by malkatmp: May 7 2014, 07:21
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May 7 2014, 07:33
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Hahhaa
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 7 2014, 14:16)  Huh...a few post back they tell me the damage was high?
Maybe because my shade set was not good enough. But my power set is relatively worse except for ABD. And yet power set perform much better. I will still keep my shade set for DW. Should be faster on SG with DW at least for me.
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May 7 2014, 08:15
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Colman
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QUOTE(holy_demon @ May 7 2014, 13:14)  2 weeks ago I sold my MMax shield for 1.4m. 3 weeks ago someone sold his MMAX shield for 2m. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) There is always some impatient guys around (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Using their price to justify the market may not be a good idea. BTW, I think most of the ~LV300 players can only earn 100~200k credits (including items worth) per active day. 1M+ for a mag shield is not something affordable.
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May 7 2014, 08:23
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Hahhaa @ May 7 2014, 13:33)  Maybe because my shade set was not good enough. But my power set is relatively worse except for ABD. And yet power set perform much better. I will still keep my shade set for DW. Should be faster on SG with DW at least for me.
Agree. For SG arenas, I'd assume DW + Shade performs better than 1H + Power in my case too even after I ground up my 1H proficiency to ~my level.
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May 7 2014, 08:51
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holy_demon
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 7 2014, 16:15)  There is always some impatient guys around (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Using their price to justify the market may not be a good idea. BTW, I think most of the ~LV300 players can only earn 100~200k credits (including items worth) per active day. 1M+ for a mag shield is not something affordable. If theres enough impatient guys, their price will become the standard price. Its how infusions suddenly got such a huge inflation, everyone just came out to buy 10000 infusion for twice the regular price (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) In the end, standard price for elemental infusion goes up from 60c to 100c This post has been edited by holy_demon: May 7 2014, 08:55
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May 7 2014, 09:02
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Dammon
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I generally earn 50-100k by grinding one or two hours per day. Contributing to the galleries is probably more cost effective for generating credits.
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May 7 2014, 09:07
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kos9494
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QUOTE(Dammon @ May 7 2014, 15:02)  I generally earn 50-100k by grinding one or two hours per day. Contributing to the galleries is probably more cost effective for generating credits.
I'm not sure if I'm the only one but I earned my credits via completing translation bounty. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (Still, earning credits this way is like earning wage as an elite worker for some big bosses. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) )
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