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May 6 2014, 22:22
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 22:15)  Thanks! That'll help alot, I guess. Though what's void strike? My weapon right now is casting Dark Strike so I have the chance to hit twice which is rather helpful because I dont cast magic myself.
To the rest: Thanks for the Spark of Life tip though the enemies normally get first strike and hopefully me using Potions works faster than simply casting Cure. I am using a Longsword 2H right now and it worked so far, huge crowds give me trouble as many cast their magic at the same time, leaving me stranded because Cure has a 2-turns Cooldown. Being melee is suffering
other friends of yours may be haste and shadow veil then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) void strike is a type of damage which has no specific mitigation. you can gain it yourself (at your level) with ethereal weapons, and later on IWing10 another kind (plain or elemental)
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May 6 2014, 22:44
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kos9494
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Okay after reaching 20-ish one-handed proficiency I'm going to say: 2H, byebye, may you be buffed. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Due to having 240 more DW proficiency than 1H, my DW clear time is still 5 times faster than my 1H. I guess that's mostly because I've spent way too much on DW. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Still, DW is faster than 1H due to Frenzied Blow. When OFC is on CD I can use Frenzied Blow to take down multiple targets before killing SGs. Perhaps things might start changing after my 1H prof grows up to 200. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: May 6 2014, 22:44
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May 6 2014, 22:45
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TheRapture
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Yay, level 100!
In light of recent developments, I can't wait to discover how bad 2H is.
EDIT: If I do swap over to 1H + shield, what sort of equips am I looking at?
This post has been edited by TheRapture: May 6 2014, 22:50
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May 6 2014, 22:48
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AIDSFART2011
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 6 2014, 22:22)  other friends of yours may be haste and shadow veil then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) void strike is a type of damage which has no specific mitigation. you can gain it yourself (at your level) with ethereal weapons, and later on IWing10 another kind (plain or elemental) So it's like the non-specific element which has no real defense against it unlike all the other magical elements? At the beginning of the match I'll always throw in Haste, Protection, Regen and Absorb which drains my mana to about 50%. I'll always stick to Cure no matter what, recasting in every second turn because I fear an incoming OHKO out of nowhere. It doesn't help that I don't know who or when someone is starting to cast it so I have to guess my next focus. I am trying to fight those with a mana bar first but they are usually harder to kill. My only chance is to stay alive until I get Spirit Stance going. On another note: If I can get my hands on an ethereal weapon, can I level up my proficiency with just attacking? Because if yes, fuck yeah, I just received a fine solution 
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May 6 2014, 23:27
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 22:48)  So it's like the non-specific element which has no real defense against it unlike all the other magical elements?
yep. QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 22:48)  At the beginning of the match I'll always throw in Haste, Protection, Regen and Absorb which drains my mana to about 50%. I'll always stick to Cure no matter what, recasting in every second turn because I fear an incoming OHKO out of nowhere. It doesn't help that I don't know who or when someone is starting to cast it so I have to guess my next focus.
forget Absorb, it has a relatively low chance to process (base 70%, 90% with max ability but it's only a waste of AP). if you really have to, you should cast only via scrolls, which have 100% chance. now you should have freed enough AP/MP to cast hadow Veil (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) btw, are you general abilities slotted at the maximum level? especially HP tank, MP tank, better mana potions. also SP tank and better SP potions if you already use spirit stance, but better SP may remain a little back if you lack AP... QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 22:48)  I am trying to fight those with a mana bar first but they are usually harder to kill. My only chance is to stay alive until I get Spirit Stance going.
don't know how many people agree with me, but i take care of the small fry to have less mobs to deal with (thus, less chances to be hit by a powerful attack); though it's also true that i have a bit more spells and HP than you. general tactic with a mace, you should hit here and there until a mob is stunned, then hit it (it can't parry attacks, so domino strike will always process in this case) and alternating between stunned monsters: sooner or later many mobs will die, and you'll be little by little safer than before (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE(AIDSFART2011 @ May 6 2014, 22:48)  If I can get my hands on an ethereal weapon, can I level up my proficiency with just attacking? Because if yes, fuck yeah, I just received a fine solution  2H/DW/1H/whatever attack style is earned only by attacking (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) let's say that in your case it may be a good help, yep.
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May 7 2014, 02:04
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ May 6 2014, 13:45)  Yay, level 100!
In light of recent developments, I can't wait to discover how bad 2H is.
EDIT: If I do swap over to 1H + shield, what sort of equips am I looking at?
Power (heavy) seems to be the best for 1h. Rapiers & Axes are most popular. I like Clubs, 'cause they're safer. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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May 7 2014, 02:31
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mutsdhr
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Hi , guys need some serious info ! Plz dont reply .. if you dont use this kinda weap´s daily !!!!!!!! Katana & Wakito improve my runs & from what i heared (read) is a nimble waki best choice `? balance type is out of question ! Saved up a lot of Credits & want to get some nice Waki matching my Katana ! & jeah im not ritch ..so playing around and testing things is .. not possible ! Edit ^^ What do i have to Forge to have 100% offhand hit ?!?!?! <- hope im not remembering things the wrong way ! This post has been edited by mutsdhr: May 7 2014, 02:47
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May 7 2014, 02:46
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Caia
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 7 2014, 08:04)  Power (heavy) seems to be the best for 1h. Rapiers & Axes are most popular. I like Clubs, 'cause they're safer. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) If you have decent block rate, most of the lineup is going to get stunned anyway so IMO a club is quite redundant. It's even safer with an axe or rapier actually since things die faster and things that are dead can't kill you.
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May 7 2014, 03:00
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2014, 03:13)  many thanks miku-chan lover (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) wat? I'm a "lover" now? I'm just a humble shipper really... QUOTE(Scremaz @ May 7 2014, 03:13)  as i previously said, just how much power does this guy have? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) shouldn't we start a petition to make a cap to his monsters? Or rather, we should be petition for the monsters to stop hunting us, lest the Hentaiverse will eventually be flooded with more and more skull-reaping critters like these. QUOTE(Aegnor Alkarin @ May 7 2014, 03:43)  The great DW/Shade experiment has ended, melee style is way too slow for me after maging for so long.
That said, unlocked Imperil last week, threw on my Niflheim set to check the viability of the Exq phase gloves of Niflheim I got from Snowflake, and went into an IWBTH RE by mistake.
Why didn't I grind deprecating hard before? Imperil actually makes cold maging viable for me again!
*check Alkarin's level in a hurry* Oh, boy, a fellow acolyte? Well, good luck in your quest in grinding the Divine proficiency... Tehehee... QUOTE(mutsdhr @ May 7 2014, 08:31)  Hi , guys need some serious info ! Plz dont reply .. if you dont use this kinda weap´s daily !!!!!!!! Katana & Wakito improve my runs & from what i heared (read) is a nimble waki best choice `? balance type is out of question ! Saved up a lot of Credits & want to get some nice Waki matching my Katana ! & jeah im not ritch ..so playing around and testing things is .. not possible ! Edit ^^ What do i have to Forge to have 100% offhand hit ?!?!?! <- hope im not remembering things the wrong way ! You need to up your offhand weapon accuracy, so forging a few binding of balance should do the trick I think... Also, if you're using Niten-ichiryuu style, care to tell your 2H and DW prof? You need 2H for weapon damage bonus and DW for offhand strike chance. And before I forgot... offhand weapon damage is halved, and you'd better off with wakizashi of balance (more offhand strike chance) or wakizashi of the nimble (more parry) instead. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 7 2014, 03:20
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May 7 2014, 03:19
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Cats Lover
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QUOTE(treesloth16 @ May 7 2014, 02:18)  Tbh, just wait until 2H and heavy is buffed a little. You have awesome melee gear already. I wouldn't waste creds chasing 10m+ wing mage gear. Plus you have to forge them, another 15m+ per piece.
Yep, thanks. At the matter of fact I have already good estoc but I wonder when I could use that. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Can't afford to get and forge another set, like shade set, though. QUOTE(mutsdhr @ May 7 2014, 09:31)  What do i have to Forge to have 100% offhand hit ?!?!?! <- hope im not remembering things the wrong way !
You should use balance weapon as offhand if you want get 100% offhand strike hit, because the chance of DW/Niten is : 75 (max) + (offhand weapon's accuracy / 2) That means you need about ~50% accuracy of offhand weapon, and only balance weapon can get it (generally with some forging) This post has been edited by Cats Lover: May 7 2014, 03:24
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May 7 2014, 03:40
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mutsdhr
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 7 2014, 03:00)  You need to up your offhand weapon accuracy, so forging a few binding of balance should do the trick I think... Also, if you're using Niten-ichiryuu style, care to tell your 2H and DW prof? You need 2H for weapon damage bonus and DW for offhand strike chance. And before I forgot... offhand weapon damage is halved, and you'd better off with wakizashi of balance (more offhand strike chance) or wakizashi of the nimble (more parry) instead.
Ok, im kinda embarrassed ^^ thats another question, do i need to keep up my profs @ my Lvl .. grind em up every ten lvl ..right now "354.48" TH & "358.13" DW !
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May 7 2014, 04:11
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Usagi =
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TLDR
Sob...so I guess I'll be forced to turn into a 1H light.
Need a price check, how much will these cost?
- A decent Mithril Foce Shield of (what's the suffix that everyone wants?) - A rapier of slaughter with Emax WD and Mmax AGI
And should I pawn my agile helmet? Does speed play any role in 1h?
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May 7 2014, 04:16
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LostLogia4
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 7 2014, 10:11)  Sob...so I guess I'll be forced to turn into a 1H light.
Need a price check, how much will these cost?
- A decent Mithril Foce Shield of (what's the suffix that everyone wants?) - A rapier of slaughter with Emax WD and Mmax AGI The rapier goes for at least 1 Megacredit budget. Just for a damned good exquisite ethereal rapier of slaughter alone. As for the shield, that'll go for 6-digit figure, last i check. That's before you even forge or IW these equips. This post has been edited by LostLogia4: May 7 2014, 04:19
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May 7 2014, 04:26
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Usagi =
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^^ Thanks thoso figure sounds affordable Then I take it that I can get a nice main\offhand combo for 4m?
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May 7 2014, 04:32
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Drakewyn
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 6 2014, 19:11)  TLDR
Sob...so I guess I'll be forced to turn into a 1H light.
Need a price check, how much will these cost?
- A decent Mithril Foce Shield of (what's the suffix that everyone wants?) - A rapier of slaughter with Emax WD and Mmax AGI
And should I pawn my agile helmet? Does speed play any role in 1h?
Mithril isn't possible on a Force Shield. Don't worry about the prefix. Try to be sure your Force Shield has 3 PABs... mine doesn't, but I can't find an affordable one that's got a better Block. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Expect to pay at least 200k for a shield similar to mine. 700k+ for a Mag Force Shield with a Block nearly as good as mine, 1m+ for a Mag Force Shield with a Block better than mine. +Agl isn't as important as +Parry on a Rapier of Slaughter, IMHO. A decent Exq Rapier will run you 20-700k, depending on Prefix, PABs & +Parry. Double to Quadruple price for a Mag. Legendary, 7m to start.
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May 7 2014, 04:40
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Kazetenshi
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QUOTE(Drakewyn @ May 7 2014, 04:32)  Mithril isn't possible on a Force Shield. Don't worry about the prefix. Try to be sure your Force Shield has 3 PABs... mine doesn't, but I can't find an affordable one that's got a better Block. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Expect to pay at least 200k for a shield similar to mine. 700k+ for a Mag Force Shield with a Block nearly as good as mine, 1m+ for a Mag Force Shield with a Block better than mine. +Agl isn't as important as +Parry on a Rapier of Slaughter, IMHO. A decent Exq Rapier will run you 20-700k, depending on Prefix, PABs & +Parry. Double to Quadruple price for a Mag. Legendary, 7m to start. What is the preferred suffix for a force shield anyway, is it protection for higher PMI? I managed to snag this for 300k at an auction http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=494630a939 but I have no idea if I got ripped off or not since I have zero clue about how much stuff actually costs.
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May 7 2014, 04:46
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QUOTE(Kazetenshi @ May 6 2014, 22:40)  What is the preferred suffix for a force shield anyway, is it protection for higher PMI? I managed to snag this for 300k at an auction http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=494630a939 but I have no idea if I got ripped off or not since I have zero clue about how much stuff actually costs. most say warding because high damage spells are the only real weakness of 1H power. i'd say you got that shield for a steal considering its block, but dear god that MMI is low for a warding shield.
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May 7 2014, 04:47
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kos9494
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ May 7 2014, 10:11)  TLDR
Sob...so I guess I'll be forced to turn into a 1H light.
Need a price check, how much will these cost?
- A decent Mithril Foce Shield of (what's the suffix that everyone wants?) - A rapier of slaughter with Emax WD and Mmax AGI
And should I pawn my agile helmet? Does speed play any role in 1h?
Get an Artic/Hallowed/Demonic Rapier with ExMax or <MMax ADB and you should be fine. I'd aim for STR DEX PABs but it would be better if there're 3 PABs, high proc. and high parry chance. Ethereal prefix is nice too but too overpriced to be good. It takes luck to get one of the three strikes upon maxing its potency that can actually come more handy. Besides, burden isn't an issue if you're a 1H Heavy and high mana cost due to interference can be countered with Spirit Stance. Artic = Ice Strike is good if you're using Fire Spike Shield which is commonly used by 1H Heavy. Hallowed = Holy Strike is good on SGs and it boosts your heal. Demonic = Dark Strike is good on SGs. Descending order of usefulness: Hallowed > Demonic > Artic > Everything else Even if you can't find a rapier with the aforementioned elemental suffix, other elemental suffix can be viable, so long it has decent stats. As for shield, you don't need any prefix, and it's only a little, very very very little better even if it has one. Shield that has MMax Block with 3 PABs costs around 1.2m. Suffix doesn't really matter. However, Warding usually is a better choice since while using heavy I have two kinds of avoidance mechanism against physical attacks but only one against magical attack, well, at least for me. You can take a look at my sig. as a reference. I got both my Rapier and Shield for 1.2m each. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: May 7 2014, 04:55
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May 7 2014, 04:47
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LostLogia4
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Speaking of which, Blacksmith-kun mentioned that real grinders makes millions daily... how did they did that really? I assume hellfesting have something to do with it, but how many crystals you can gain from hellfesting anyway?
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May 7 2014, 04:54
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kos9494
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QUOTE(LostLogia4 @ May 7 2014, 10:47)  Speaking of which, Blacksmith-kun mentioned that real grinders makes millions daily... how did they did that really? I assume hellfesting have something to do with it, but how many crystals you can gain from hellfesting anyway?
My mentor is a Hellarena/Hellfest mage with Crystarium III and he gets shit loads of money through selling crystal pack. He's friendly, you can ask him for advice if you want. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by kos9494: May 7 2014, 04:56
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